Live Debate: Commons Chamber

Q6. What steps his Department is taking to ensure the adequate regulation of digital services, in the context of the UK-US trade agreement. (904162)

The vertical agricultural project in my cupidity is highly dependent on data which could be hugely assisted by artificial intelligence and I understand he is not represented on any working parties. This must be included. They must find the time. find the time.

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Rt Hon Peter Kyle MP, The Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology (Hove and Portslade, Labour)

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I thank the honourable member for the question and we have an interministerial meeting which brings together all the ministers including from DEFRA and the including from DEFRA and the secretary of state and we discussed these issues with other secretaries of state. of state.

11:50

Tom Morrison MP (Cheadle, Liberal Democrat)

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I would like to congratulate the Prime Minister and the business secretary on the trade deal with the Is inclusive of the commitment to deepen digital trade. My department will continue to work across Whitehall to strengthen the transatlantic trade partnership that transatlantic trade partnership that benefits the country greatly and we will strengthen those provisions, too. too.

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Rt Hon Peter Kyle MP, The Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology (Hove and Portslade, Labour)

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Thank you for that response. Many constituents have contacted me about concerns in social media and nearly 40% of children are reporting it has a bad effect on their mental health with glaring holes in the Online Safety Act. Prime Minister confirm protection for children will not be up for negotiation in any part of the deal? the deal? I certainly share his concern for the welfare of young people online and that is why many provisions brought in since I came into office brought in since I came into office including a statement of priorities and tackling intimate image abuse and tackling intimate image abuse and getting behind the interpretation of new regulations by interpretation of new regulations by January, we are behind these and working on what will come next in terms of strengthening it.

I assure him that only harm will never be up for negotiation. for negotiation. I welcome the US-UK trade deal and the fact the Secretary of State and Prime Minister have a commitment not to put online safety on the table for negotiations. The inquiry into social media, misinformation and algorithms has heard evidence that algorithms drive the spread of that algorithms drive the spread of misinformation and he saw the consequences of that after the riots.

Can the Secretary of State confirm that as well as not watering confirm that as well as not watering down the Online Safety Act he will look to strengthen it and look at look to strengthen it and look at how to do so with allies in the US.

11:52

Victoria Collins MP (Harpenden and Berkhamsted, Liberal Democrat)

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We will look at strengthening the regime to further protect children into the future and that commissioned research into the exact causal relationship between the use of products by young people and the impact it has and I will act accordingly from the amok.

11:52

Rt Hon Peter Kyle MP, The Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology (Hove and Portslade, Labour)

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Given the growing concerns around

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Given the growing concerns around the Online Safety Act and reports of the Secretary of State meeting repeatedly with tech giants

11:53

Q7. What progress his Department has made on using technology to help increase levels of productivity in the public sector. (904163)

repeatedly with tech giants including Amazon, Google, Meta, it's vital it remains part of the trade policy and online protection and I welcome the fact only harm will not be up for negotiation but can he confirm that it will not be up for confirm that it will not be up for negotiation now or in the future in the negotiation with the US. the negotiation with the US.

11:53

Rt Hon Peter Kyle MP, The Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology (Hove and Portslade, Labour)

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We deliver to deal between the UK and US and it did not weaken the legislation to keep children safe in the country. We were promised that we were front of the queue by that party and this government took us out of the queue altogether and deliver to deal and we are deliver to deal and we are strengthening the rights of young people to keep them safe, not weakening them.

11:53

Luke Murphy MP (Basingstoke, Labour)

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Thank you. This government is piloting a range of technologies including generative AI and large language models to release potential to boost public sector productivity and we are aiming for a smarter and smaller state and we will deliver exactly that.

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I thank the Secretary of State for the answer. The government is

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Rt Hon Peter Kyle MP, The Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology (Hove and Portslade, Labour)

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rightly focused on driving the reform through with smarter use of technology and rescind what is possible in Basingstoke and the council has received millions of pounds using AI and another local firm is developing technology to protect vital infrastructure from cyber threats and the BSC have cyber threats and the BSC have reduced costs used on IT. Will the reduced costs used on IT. Will the Secretary of State meet with us to discuss how people work to help with discuss how people work to help with our vision of securing a more modern public sector? public sector?

11:55

Tim Farron MP (Westmorland and Lonsdale, Liberal Democrat)

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I welcome the question. It will come from the productivity of local authorities and to the benefit of the entire economy and assure from the government is committed to the government is committed to harnessing the power of technology harnessing the power of technology and putting it to work and I look forward to engaging more with the companies that he mentions. companies that he mentions.

11:55

Rt Hon Peter Kyle MP, The Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology (Hove and Portslade, Labour)

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The use of AI in radiotherapy increases productivity 20 fold but increases productivity 20 fold but the decision to stop funding for contouring is estimated to cost 500,000 extra days in waiting lists. Will the government intervene to restore the funding and save lives? I'm grateful for the question and we are investing heavily for the benefit of patients. I visited the hospital and Huddersfield and AI has been fully integrated there and I will look at the issue he receives if there are conversations to be hard but I assure you we are working for the good of patients.

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Accurate data is important, particularly in the public sector, particularly in the public sector, and we will vote on it today. How will he measure his plan productivity improvements and define productivity improvements and define success and in Fort time period?

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success and in Fort time period? I assure you we will deliver technology games across Whitehall and that starts now and we are and that starts now and we are investing heavily with the digital sector will be treated in the The sector will be treated in the The Spit -- DSIT and they will be put to

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Spit -- DSIT and they will be put to work for the benefit of citizens without delay. The government is harnessing the

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The government is harnessing the power of technology to create smarter and smaller states and we

11:57

Laura Kyrke-Smith MP (Aylesbury, Labour)

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smarter and smaller states and we are partnering with HMRC to understand how AI can save money and deliver world-class public services that people deserve. At the same time, we are tearing down barriers facing businesses who want to invest in Britain. Last month we welcome experts from across energy and tech for the first meeting of the AI Energy Council and discussed using clean energy power to power the domestic AI sector and deliver domestic AI sector and deliver strong growth and good jobs right across the country.

I would like to across the country. I would like to congratulate the constituents of mine who are doing work to discourage children from smartphones. The Digital Minister smartphones. The Digital Minister agreed excessive use of smartphones is detrimental to the mental and physical health of young people. Can physical health of young people. Can the Secretary of State share his next steps? next steps?

11:58

Alan Mak MP (Havant, Conservative)

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I agree and it is also detrimental to the health of MPs across the House, too. I assure her across the House, too. I assure her I'm commissioning evidence into the impact of social media use on children are looking closely at the addictive nature of some algorithms addictive nature of some algorithms and looking at acting in the future to keep children safe and benefit welfare.

11:58

Rt Hon Peter Kyle MP, The Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology (Hove and Portslade, Labour)

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Labour have cancelled the new National supercomputer at Edinburgh University and have damaged research capability and economic growth. The project was funded by the Conservatives at the University said Conservatives at the University said it would be a disaster of the cancellation was not reverse and so will be government reinstate it or will be government reinstate it or be a victim of the failed economic experiment of the Chancellor?

11:58

Alan Mak MP (Havant, Conservative)

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It surprises me we continue down the path. One of the first decisions I had to take a Secretary of State is how we look at unfunded commitments for hundreds of billions of pounds where money did not exist at the Treasury had not committed it and not a single letter of rating goes to Department from the Treasury but years of verbal commitments from but years of verbal commitments from the government and we will deliver a strategy that is fit for purpose and will get the country where it needs will get the country where it needs to be.

11:59

Rt Hon Peter Kyle MP, The Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology (Hove and Portslade, Labour)

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We will not get everyone in.

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It was fully funded and he knows it. Labour cancels the tech investment and competitors in the US, Germany, Japan are increasing US, Germany, Japan are increasing the dose. The Chancellor will cut the budget in real terms next month.

11:59

John Slinger MP (Rugby, Labour)

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the budget in real terms next month. Will they allow them to invest in the future or will he speak up for the vital tech sector?

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We will release a fully funded strategy which will be fully delivered, unlike the government he was part of which led the country was part of which led the country

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Rt Hon Peter Kyle MP, The Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology (Hove and Portslade, Labour)

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was part of which led the country There are incredible dividends from the government administration and service delivery but some constituents tell me they cannot use smartphones and I worried about being left behind. A number of bodies have arched people to take action. Can the Minister reassure me there will be sufficient advice made available to me constituents to make sure digital inclusion as we rightly seek to utilise digital more seek to utilise digital more

12:01

Prime Minister's Question Time

Ga are older people and others for that matter who would not be able to access things in a digital world. That is why we introduced an world. That is why we introduced an inclusion plan. That is one of the key differences between a Labour government and a Tory government. government and a Tory government. They did not have any interest in digital inclusion and did not have a plan for 10 years and we brought one in.

12:01

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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Before Prime Minister's Questions, I welcome the Speaker of Bermuda, the Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat.

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Question number one, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, over the past week we have secured a historic trade deal with India and a landmark agreement

12:01

Lorraine Beavers MP (Blackpool North and Fleetwood, Labour)

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with the United States. Protecting and creating British jobs, cutting tariffs and driving economic growth. We have also published a White Paper, setting out how this government will end the open borders experiment of the party opposite. Bringing net migration down, backing British workers and delivering fair British workers and delivering fair control of our borders. I know the whole house will want to mark the whole house will want to mark the 40th anniversary of the Bradford 40th anniversary of the Bradford city fire.

We remember the victims of that devastating tragedy and celebrate the strength of the community. This morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues meetings with ministerial colleagues and others, in addition to my duties in this House and I shall have further such meetings later today. Thank you, Mr Speaker. 40 years of Conservative -- 14 years of Conservative cuts have stripped the environment agency of the resources environment agency of the resources and staff needed to properly deal with badly managed landfill sites, blighting communities like mine.

A landfill site in my constituency of Blackpool North and Fleetwood has been producing toxic stench is for been producing toxic stench is for more than a year now, causing nosebleeds, headaches, vomiting and breathing problems for my residence. Will the Prime Minister commit to ensure that the Environment Agency has the staff and resources to police badly managed sites like this police badly managed sites like this and across the country so they can act quickly and effectively to protect communities like mine?

12:03

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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I love the fact when anybody says 14 years of Conservative government, they go oh, no. That is how the

12:04

Rt Hon Kemi Badenoch MP (North West Essex, Conservative)

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country feels. Once again a hard- country feels. Once again a hard- Clearing up the mess that was left behind. Her residence deserved far behind. Her residence deserved far better. We expect rapid improvements. We are monitoring air quality and will not hesitate to take more action. We must tackle rogue operators who blight communities. That is why we boosted communities. That is why we boosted environment agency funding by £188 million with tougher rules on incinerators and commercial fly- tipping.

12:04

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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tipping. If I may, Mr Speaker, Sir Roy Stone served 13 chief whips and prime ministers from Margaret Thatcher to Boris Johnson and I pay tribute to his extraordinary service and send my best wishes to his family. Also my best wishes to his family. Also before we start, I would like to say to the Prime Minister how horrified I was to hear about the attack on his family home. It is unacceptable. his family home. It is unacceptable. I think I speak for the whole house when I say this was not just an attack on him but all of us and our democracy.

Yesterday, we learned unemployment is up by 10% since the election. Why does the Prime Minister think unemployment is rising on his watch?

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Mr Speaker, can I pay tribute to Roy Stone as well and the service that was given in various that was given in various capacities? Can I thank her for her words about the attacks on me and my

12:04

Rt Hon Kemi Badenoch MP (North West Essex, Conservative)

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words about the attacks on me and my And that of many others in the last few days. She actually messaged me pretty well straightaway and I really do appreciate that. She is right that this is an attack on all of us, on democracy and the values we stand for. She comes here every week to talk the country down, Mr Speaker. We have got 200,000 new jobs. Record investment. Interest rates cut. Contrast that with the disastrous Liz Truss mini-budget, inflation through the roof and a £22 I am not sure the Prime Minister I am not sure the Prime Minister even knew unemployment was up.

But there is no point in him blaming everyone else. The fact is conservatives reduced the deficit every year until the pandemic. More than double the personal allowance. than double the personal allowance. Left 4 million extra jobs, tackle the post-pandemic inflation spike and left the fastest growing economy in the G7. Let's talk about what is happening today. Let's look at happening today. Let's look at deals. A 180-year-old department store in Dorset survived two world wars and the winter of discontent. But could not survive this Labour But could not survive this Labour government.

It is having a Rachel government. It is having a Rachel Sale, and I quote. What does the prime ministers say to all of the prime ministers say to all of the people who have lost their jobs?

12:06

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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Nobody wants to see job losses. But she must be the only person left in the country who thinks the economy was booming after the last government. We have created new jobs, record investment, trade deals that, the India deal they tried for eight years and failed, we did that deal. They talked about a US deal. deal. They talked about a US deal. We tend to get a stronger relationship with the EU. The former trade minister must be the only former trade minister against all trade deals to boost our economy.

She said she is against the India deal even though it is not the same provision she put on the table. Against the US deal even though it saves thousands of jobs in car saves thousands of jobs in car manufacturing. Absurdly she said she is going to rip up the EU deal when she has not even seen what is on the page. This is a once great political party sliding into brain-dead oblivion. oblivion. I'm very happy to welcome his tiny tariff deal.

The fact is it has put us in a worse position than we were in March. He should not over egged the pudding. Let's talk about how things are getting worse now. In every month of this year, household names like Sainsbury's, Tesco, Asda and Santander have cut staff. The ONS estimated there are 100,000 fewer jobs than a year ago. That was before the jobs tax which will make things worse. Can the Prime Minister promised this House by this time next year, unemployment will be lower than it is today?

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Mr Speaker, I think she just said a tiny tariff deal. Can I suggest

12:07

Rt Hon Kemi Badenoch MP (North West Essex, Conservative)

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a tiny tariff deal. Can I suggest she gets the train to Solihull, two hours, speak to the workforce at JL are, their families, their communities, and tell them she would rip up the deal that protects their jobs. When she has done that, she might travel to Scunthorpe. Tell the steelworkers of their she is going to rip up the deal that saved their jobs and if she has got time, go to Scotland and talk to the whiskey distilleries. Tell them she would rip up the deal that has created 1,200 jobs, boosted exports, and come back to next week and tell us what reaction she got.

12:08

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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I did not hear a promise to get unemployment down. That is because he knows things are going to get worse. This goes wider than businesses. Last week I met staff and patients at Farley Hospice. They do fantastic work. But they need to find an additional £250,000 to pay the jobs tax. How does he suggest this Hospice, a charity reliant upon

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donations, pays for his tax hike? Mr Speaker, we have provided £100 million to boost the sector, and

12:09

Rt Hon Kemi Badenoch MP (North West Essex, Conservative)

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million to boost the sector, and hospitals receive more funding this year. Mr Speaker, she turns up every week to park on the sidelines. What she does not do, she moans about what we had to do in the budget to stabilise the economy, but has not got the courage to stand there and say that she would reverse the decisions we have taken. I know why. Because she does not want to say she is against the investment in the NHS.

She doesn't want to say she is against the £1.2 billion more for police. She does not want to say she is against the £3.2 billion more for schools. Also the time she does not have the courage of her convictions. Stop

12:10

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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I cannot believe the Prime Minister is still using this figure. We had this very conversation at the dispatch box. He knows it is capital spending. Either he isn't paying attention or saying things to attention or saying things to disguise what is going on. That money will not pay for the jobs tax. He knows it and the hospices know it He knows it and the hospices know it will stop the other people who know things are getting worse are the five leading business groups in the UK.

They say that his so-called Employment Rights Bill will be Employment Rights Bill will be deeply damaging to growth. Does the deeply damaging to growth. Does the Prime Minister accept that they are right or does he believe that he knows better than business? knows better than business? Better rights for workers are on the table and they vote against them. table and they vote against them. Respect and dignity and protection at work and good for workers, good for the economy and good for growth.

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Rt Hon Kemi Badenoch MP (North West Essex, Conservative)

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The Prime Minister needs to listen to business. You cannot have employment rights without employment rights without employment. Labour always forgets it is not government that creates is not government that creates growth. It is business that create growth and businesses are closing and blaming him and his Chancellor. and blaming him and his Chancellor. There are 100,000 fewer jobs. Hospices, charities, nurseries, they are facing bills from the jobs tax are facing bills from the jobs tax they cannot afford.

Even unions say workers are being thrown on the scrapheap and all of this before the unemployment bill makes hiring even more expensive. When will he admit more expensive. When will he admit Labour isn't working?

12:11

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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She says we should listen to

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business. Prime Minister. She should listen to business. They are in favour of our trade They are in favour of our trade deals. The India deal. Fantastic deal. Tariffs on cars cut down to 10%. Whiskey and gin, halved. Millions into our economy. What does she say we should do with the deal? she say we should do with the deal? She would like to rip it up. The US deal that these thousands of jobs. deal that these thousands of jobs.

What does she want to do? Rip it up.

12:12

Rachel Taylor MP (North Warwickshire and Bedworth, Labour)

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The EU deal is good for our economy and she will not even wait to see what it says. She said she is going to rip it up. It is not serious. She was even reduced last week to calling the Indian government, accusing them of fake news. No wonder she did badly as a trade secretary. They are sliding into oblivion. They are a dead party walking. walking.

12:12

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. Thousands of British jobs have been safeguarded by this government's trade agreement with the United States. Including those in my constituency who have worked for Jaguar Land Rover, like my next-door neighbour Ollie. Proving when Labour negotiates, workers win. Can the Prime Minister confirm to me that he will continue to stand up for all workers and our vital motor manufacturing industry, as he negotiates a better deal for Britain negotiates a better deal for Britain negotiates a better deal for Britain Can I pay tribute to her for her work with Jaguar Land Rover and standing up for the jobs in her constituency? The deal we agreed says thousands of jobs in the says thousands of jobs in the industry, securing the livelihoods of countless families.

I have been there on a number of occasions, including last week and I know first-hand what it means for the first-hand what it means for the workforce, their families and communities. The Leader of the Opposition said she would go and tell them she will rip it up. She tell them she will rip it up. She should go up there. She should say should go up there. She should say she is against it. The Reform leader, what did he say? He said that the company deserves to go that the company deserves to go bust.

Shame on him. Labour is making deals in the national interest.

12:13

Rt Hon Ed Davey MP (Kingston and Surbiton, Liberal Democrat)

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Liberal Democrats. of my party, can I offer my heartfelt congratulations to his Holiness Pope Leo the 14th and offer my support to the Prime Minister and his family after the appalling arson attacks on his home and can I echo his thanks to our firefighters? Three years ago, the previous government was faced with a choice. Their own Migration Advisory Committee told ministers that Committee told ministers that recruiting more care workers required improved conditions, career required improved conditions, career progression and better pay.

But the Conservatives chose not to do that. Instead they brought in large numbers of care workers from numbers of care workers from overseas. Those carers looking after our loved ones in care homes should be thanked and not demonised. But be thanked and not demonised. But will the Prime Minister now do the things the Conservatives refused to things the Conservatives refused to do, starting with a higher minimum wage for carers?

12:14

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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Can I first thank him for his comments about myself and my family? I do really appreciate it. It is important that we have fair pay for care workers. That is why we put in care workers. That is why we put in place the Fair Pay Agreements. The first of its kind. It will be applied first to care workers to applied first to care workers to make sure they get fair pay but also a better framework for progression. He will know that most people leaving care work are leaving care work to go to the NHS because the pay and the ability to progress is there and we need to deal with that there and we need to deal with that and make sure that in future these jobs are more secure and I would jobs are more secure and I would just add a declaration of interest that my sister is a care worker.

I know how important the work is and how difficult sometimes the situation is dating them. situation is dating them.

12:15

Rt Hon Ed Davey MP (Kingston and Surbiton, Liberal Democrat)

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It is a good first step but we will still be seeing people earning more in warehouses and supermarkets and care home. Meaning loved ones going without the care they need. Turning to the Middle East now, for more than 10 weeks, Israeli forces have locked food, water and medicine getting into Gaza. There is now a humanitarian catastrophe. With 2 million people at risk of famine. million people at risk of famine. And 20% facing starvation. Rather And 20% facing starvation.

Rather than ending the crisis, Israeli Government is planning to seize all of Gaza indefinitely. I know the Prime Minister will agree the blockade should end. I am sure he would agree that it would be would agree that it would be appalling if this escalation continues. Will the primers to act now and pick up the phone to President Trump for a joint plan to recognise Palestine and get food, recognise Palestine and get food,

12:16

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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I thank him for raising this. The situation is intolerable and getting worse. We are working with other leaders urgently to bring about the unimpeded flow of humanitarian needs which is desperately needed in Gaza and to get back to a ceasefire and my team are working on that, 24/7. That is the initial action that needs to be taken but I fundamentally believe that, however remote it seems at the moment, the pathway to a two-state solution is the only way for a settled piece in the Middle East and we will continue the Middle East and we will continue with our allies to pursue that path.

12:17

Lloyd Hatton MP (South Dorset, Labour)

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In my constituency, we have all of the most iconic sites in the country and I was joined by my honourable friend for Bournemouth honourable friend for Bournemouth East and West and others to test the water quality which is currently only monitored from mid May until only monitored from mid May until September which puts the health of water users at risk who could be water users at risk who could be potentially swimming in sewage. Will be Prime Minister work with me and my honourable friend to introduce my honourable friend to introduce testing all year round at popular bathing sites? bathing sites?

12:18

Rt Hon Liz Saville Roberts MP (Dwyfor Meirionnydd, Plaid Cymru)

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Everyone enjoys the beautiful beaches, lakes and rivers and are entitled to know that the water is safe and that is why we are developing more monitoring sites to meet local demand. After years of failure from the party opposite, we are bringing about new powers to tackle pollution including banning bosses and dealing with every sewage outlet.

12:18

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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This Prime Minister one spoke of compassion and dignity from migrants and for defending free movement. He talks of islands of strangers taking back control and somebody here has to call this out. It seems the only principle he consistently defence is whichever he last heard in a focus group. I ask, is there any belief that he holds which survives for one week in Downing Street? Speak the belief that she talks rubbish.

I want... I want to lead a country want... I want to lead a country where we pull together and walk into the future as neighbours and communities, not strangers. The loss communities, not strangers. The loss of control of migration by the last government put that at risk and that is why we are facing a system based on principles of control and fairness. fairness.

12:20

Mr Jonathan Brash MP (Hartlepool, Labour)

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Council tax is the most aggressive and unfair tax in the country. It has become a tax on deprivation. The less affluent an area is, the more you will pay and the greater the need, the more you the greater the need, the more you will pay. R&D in Westminster pays £100,000 a year. -- bAND d. For band H, the difference between areas a £3000. As hammering people in £3000. As hammering people in hospital.

Will they commit to addressing this inequality once and for all? for all?

12:20

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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My honourable friend has been a dedicated campaigner on this for a long time. I then was, 14 years of mismanagement from the party opposite left councils on the knees opposite left councils on the knees and there was no possibility to update how they were funded. With update how they were funded. With the upcoming settlement, the first in over a decade, there is far in over a decade, there is far greater certainty and stability and updating the funding review will create a fairer system to make sure constituency strong and affordable local services.

local services. Why does the Prime Minister prefer to take to the international stage when the pin straight in Birmingham is in its 10th week back Birmingham is in its 10th week back at home. -- Didn't -- Bin. Ministers are washing their hands of it and the Mayor does not want to talk about it so will he come to West Midlands to sort it out because at

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the moment it is an issue. Further evidence of the decline

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Further evidence of the decline of the Tory party when they say that going to Ukraine at the weekend to going to Ukraine at the weekend to try to secure peace for Ukraine and Europe and the security defence

12:22

Sarah Smith MP (Hyndburn, Labour)

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Europe and the security defence movement is somehow the wrong priority. That conflict has massively impacted people in this country through the cost of living crisis and energy. Ukraine, Europe, we deserve to live in peace. Dealing with the bin strikes if the parity and we are calling on UNEP to suspend the strike and we are sympathetic to the council. -- sympathetic to the council. -- Unite. The council are clearly Unite. The council are clearly 100,000 tons of waste every day and ensuring the backlog does not appear again.

again.

12:22

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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Last week I was at my local drama school and the excellent teachers expressed frustration at the current SEND system. One by who requires support has been waiting 18 months for treatment and there is a risk you will not get a place at a school that suits his needs in the years ahead. How will Bea Prime Minister ensure the voices of children are at the heart of the SEND reforms?

12:23

Nigel Farage MP (Clacton, Reform UK)

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My honourable friend is a powerful champion of this issue. The principal is every young person with SEND should receive what they need to succeed. We have alleged hybrids funding including almost £20 million for schools. We will support special schools and deliver inclusive places survive.

12:23

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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Weird Reform, a party alive and kicking, enjoyed your speech on Monday. Can I encourage you to go further on this matter of national security? As a matter of national security, over the weekend, an illegal immigrant from Iran that they believe came by boat was arrested on serious charges of terrorism. Since the speech on Monday, 1000 young undocumented young males have crossed the English Channel. The supreme Minister agree that no if he came to declare the situation in the Channel as a national security emergency?

12:24

Amanda Martin MP (Portsmouth North, Labour)

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The situation is serious. The last government lost control of borders and we are dealing with it. borders and we are dealing with it. The Borders Bill is the first to The Borders Bill is the first to give terrorism -like powers to law enforcement so we can get in before enforcement so we can get in before crimes are committed and people reach this country. That is why it is the most far-reaching provision ever for law enforcement to defend ever for law enforcement to defend our borders and that is why it is extraordinary that he of all people voted against it.

voted against it. Since my election, I've been championing and backing the plumbers, builders, electricians of the country. These are not just the people building Britain but holding communities together and that is why I've been campaigning for tougher sentencing action on tool theft and sentencing action on tool theft and for the real cost of the trim to be recognised. I want to thank everyone in the sector who has backed the in the sector who has backed the campaign because we've shown that the message is clear - 14 years of neglect is time for action and neglect is time for action and change.

The Prime Minister with the Secretary Of State for Justice and myself to ensure punishment finally myself to ensure punishment finally fits the crime?

12:25

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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I commend my honourable friend. She has led the campaign to highlight the devastating impact of highlight the devastating impact of the crimes. The targeting of small businesses and the theft of tools is businesses and the theft of tools is not just a violation but can mean thousands of pounds lost and huge impact to businesses and families. We are investing over £1.2 billion We are investing over £1.2 billion extra into policing with 1300 new neighbourhood police to focus on trains which impact communities the trains which impact communities the most and I pay tribute to my right honourable friend and I know the honourable friend and I know the Justice Secretary will look carefully at the details.

carefully at the details.

12:26

Mr Andrew Snowden MP (Fylde, Conservative)

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Whether you agree with net zero targets or not, I am sure the Prime Minister will agree will not be achieved without the Prime Minister taking people with them. The cabling corridor for the Morgan offshore wind farm is one of the most objected to national energy into structure projects in the country. What angers myself and thousands of others is that there is a perfectly others is that there is a perfectly alternative route for the cables further down the line which will have local economic benefit and would be more cost-effective as a life-cycle project and to connect to existing national grid infrastructure.

Norman is listening. Will be Prime Minister listen and pass the inquiry for the existing application and ask the Department to consider and cost the alternative route to avoid the untold devastation to the coastline and countryside?

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Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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As they will know, the Secretary of State is going through a quasi- judicial exercise and so I am limited in what I can say. Doing my best within the constraints, the project is going through examination and interested parties to put and interested parties to put forward views on the application and they should do so. More broadly, the planning process is designed to ensure it is carefully considered. ensure it is carefully considered. The UK has rightly helped Ukraine with modern and effective capability and we are sending £4.5 million this year but, after decades of relying on the peace dividend, our forces are ill-equipped for modern warfare.

I'm developing a proposal for a joint UK-Ukraine production hub which would support Ukraine and modernise our forces at the scale of fighting war and creating the jobs and know how required to rearm the state. Will be Prime Minister help support this proposal?

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John Lamont MP (Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk, Conservative)

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My honourable and gallant friend is right that ironclad support for Ukraine should go hand in hand with firing up our own defence industry and that means well-paid and secure jobs across the country including strengthening national security. We reiterated the support last weekend in Kyiv and I'm glad we have made our mark in supporting Ukraine against the illegal Russian invasion against the illegal Russian invasion and I will make sure he meets with the Minister to discuss his project.

the Minister to discuss his project.

12:29

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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People are disgusted with the obsessive pursuit of net zero at any cost by the energy sector. The Scottish Borders is under attack with solar farms the size of pounds and mega windfarms. These crazed policies are putting jobs at risk and ripping up farmland. When will the Prime Minister step in and stop the Prime Minister step in and stop the energy sector from throwing taxpayer money at this nonsense? taxpayer money at this nonsense?

12:29

Jake Richards MP (Rother Valley, Labour)

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A few years ago, dealing with the climate challenge was a shared endeavour across the House and it is further evidence of how far his party has follow-on that they cannot see the significance of tackling a major challenge of our time. I think we should rise to the challenge and not be defeatist about it. There is further evidence the Tory project is just finished.

12:30

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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Male suicide is a tragic epidemic in our country. Each week, almost 100 men take their own lives and suicide is the biggest killer of men aged under 50. I'm working with the learning community and other organisations to raise awareness about the fantastic groups which offer support for man in difficult circumstances. Will the Prime Minister use this opportunity to support the campaign we are undertaking in my constituency and reassure those groups and my constituents that mental health services for men will be a priority services for men will be a priority

12:30

Bobby Dean MP (Carshalton and Wallington, Liberal Democrat)

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I thank him for raising this issue. Across this House I know people will have their own experiences of loved ones lost through suicide. We will improve mental health including tackling devastatingly high suicide rate. We are investing £26 million in crisis centres, funding talking therapist for thousands more people and recruiting 8,500 more mental health workers.

12:31

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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The plans to upgrade St Helier Hospital include the delivery of a new specialist emergency care building but it has been put back by 10 years. I have talked to the trust about a way to move those plans forward but in the meantime there is a very real fear that some of the buildings on the existing estate are at risk of catastrophic failure before the decade is out. Will the government work with the local trust and the plan to adapt the existing estate to make sure the hospital can survive all the way through to the survive all the way through to the The honourable member's constituents have been badly let down by the previous government's empty promises which were never going to deliver.

We have put the new system on a sustainable financial footing. Increasing the NHS capital budget to record levels so that we can address the backlog of critical maintenance the backlog of critical maintenance and I will make sure that he gets a meeting with the relevant minister to discuss this case. to discuss this case. Great Grimsby and Cleethorpes is the renewable energy capital of England, delivering home-grown, secure energy and boosting local skills. Over 12,000 people are employed in a clean energy job in greater Lincolnshire.

But these jobs are now under threat from the new local authority, who has declared war on renewables, putting livelihoods at risk. What steps will the Prime Minister take to protect

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jobs by supporting the supply chain and delivery of renewable projects? She is a superb champion for

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She is a superb champion for energy security, driving down bills energy security, driving down bills and the good secure jobs renewable energy offers. The parties opposite our climate defeatist. Andy jobs,

12:33

Alison Griffiths MP (Bognor Regis and Littlehampton, Conservative)

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our climate defeatist. Andy jobs, Should peddle their policies to the tens of thousands of people working in this country in renewables every single day. They don't think Britain has the skills and they would deny us incredible opportunities. We are focused on securing billions in investment, creating thousands of jobs and taking us off the rollercoaster of international fossil fuels. fossil fuels.

12:33

Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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A constituent of mine was made severely disabled after a savage attack left him with multiple amputations. Will the Prime Minister explain why pensioners like Victor, who has become severely disabled after retirement, are excluded from claiming Personal Independence Payments and are instead limited to the lesser support of an attendance allowance? Will he commit to reviewing this unfair rule? reviewing this unfair rule? And these are awful circumstances which must be extremely challenging. which must be extremely challenging.

We do have to reform the system. It isn't working and I think there is a general agreement about that but the principles have to be clear that we principles have to be clear that we protect and secure those who need that protection and security. We help those who can work into work and those who can work should do. But we have to reform the system we have got to make it better because what we have got doesn't work. Every week I meet families in Barking and Dagenham who tell me they worry about paying their bills because they are on a zero hour contract.

My constituent -- constituents want the chance to work hard on a secure job and have dignity in the workplace. As Labour plans for change and delivers the biggest uplift in worker rights in a generation, does the Prime Minister agree with me that voting against our Employment Rights Bill shows that Reform are no friends of workers in this country? workers in this country?

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Adam Dance MP (Yeovil, Liberal Democrat)

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Absolutely right. Let's be clear what the parties opposite voted against. Stronger Statutory Sick Pay. The right of guaranteed hours, they voted against. Protection from unfair dismissal, they voted against. Stronger protection for pregnant mothers, they voted against. Insecure work and a package for the poorest workers, they voted against. We are backing British workers. They vote against them at every turn. every turn.

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Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. Maternity services in Yeovil are due to shut on Monday after a deeply brought inspection in January and being inspection in January and being moved to Taunton in a hospital without the capacity for an extra without the capacity for an extra 1,300 births per year. The closure is initially for six months but there are no guarantees it will open there are no guarantees it will open again, creating a huge fear. Will the relevant minister meet with me and colleagues in the south-west to stop this decision?

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Jake Richards MP (Rother Valley, Labour)

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I am grateful to him for raising this issue which must be of concern. I am not a crusty detail of it, I am afraid. But I will make sure he gets a meeting with the relevant minister to get to the bottom of the issue he described.

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I am not across the detail. claimed unemployment had risen by 10% since the last general election. It is no wonder George Osborne, a former Conservative chancellor, said she has no economic plan if she cannot get basic statistics right. Will she return to the House and correct the record?

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It is not down to the chair about the accuracy of what a member has stated. What I would say is that you have corrected the record in your have corrected the record in your opinion and we will leave it at that

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Urgent Question: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs if he will make a statement on the UK’s assessment of the likelihood of genocide in Gaza

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Urgent Question. Urgent Question. Adrian Urgent Question. Adrian Ramsay.

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Urgent Question. Adrian Ramsay.

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Urgent Question. Adrian Ramsay. To ask the secretary of state if

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To ask the secretary of state if he will make a statement on the UK's assessment of the likelihood of genocide in Gaza.

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genocide in Gaza. Mr Speaker, yesterday alongside partners, the UK convened a meeting partners, the UK convened a meeting with the UN Security Council in response to the intolerable civilian response to the intolerable civilian suffering and humanitarian crisis in Gaza. As I told this House yesterday, Israel's denial of aid is yesterday, Israel's denial of aid is appalling. Tons of food are currently sitting, rotting at the border. Blocked from reaching people who are starving. Israeli ministers who are starving.

Israeli ministers have said Israel's decision to block aid is a pressure lever. This is cruel. It is indefensible. Overnight, yet more Palestinians have been killed in Israeli strikes. This must end. The message yesterday was clear. The world demands Israel must stop and change course immediately. With our allies, we are telling the government of Israel, lift the blockade on aid entering Gaza now. Enable the UN and all humanitarian personnel to save lives now. We need an immediate ceasefire now.

Humanitarian aid must never be used as a political tool or military used as a political tool or military tactic. The UK will not support any aid mechanism that seeks to deliver political or military objectives or put vulnerable civilians at risk. The International Court of Justice case on genocide is ongoing, Mr Speaker. We support the ICJ. We support its independence. They issued a set of provisional measures in this case and we support those measures. Israel has an obligation to implement them.

It is the UK Government's long-standing position that any formal determination as to whether genocide has taken place is a matter for the court and not the government or nonjudicial bodies. government or nonjudicial bodies. The UK is fully committed to upholding our responsibilities under domestic and international law and domestic and international law and we have at all times acted in a manner consistent with our legal obligations, including under the obligations, including under the Genocide Convention. The devastation Genocide Convention. The devastation from this conflict must end.

Our complete focus is on lifting Israeli restrictions on aid. Freeing hostages. Protecting civilians. Restoring the ceasefire. We will work urgently with our allies and partners on further pressure to make Israel change course.

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Adrian Ramsay MP (Waveney Valley, Green Party)

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Mr Speaker, overnight the UN emergency relief coordinator Tom Fletcher warned a genocide was Fletcher warned a genocide was possible in Gaza. 20% of people are facing starvation. The entire population is facing high levels of acute food insecurity. In Gaza, there is a risk of famine. There is one primary cause. The Israeli aid blockade since March 2. The Security Council was told civilians in Gaza have again been forcibly displaced and confined into ever shrinking spaces with 80% of territory either in Israeli military zones or under displacement orders.

Israeli airstrikes on the hospital in Gaza yesterday killed 28 people. With further reports of at least 48 deaths overnight from strikes elsewhere. Can he tell us if the FCDO has made a recent assessment of its own on the risk the Israeli authorities are committing genocide? Last night the UK ambassador to the UN rightly called on Israel to lift restrictions and return to the delivery of aid in Gaza in line with humanitarian principles and international law. But this isn't enough.

Notwithstanding the government position that it is for judicial bodies to make a determination, what is the response of the Minister to the latest UN assessment that genocide is possible in Gaza? Can he confirm if the UK stands by the obligations to prevent this in the Genocide Convention? this in the Genocide Convention? Parliament needs to know if the Parliament needs to know if the assessment will lead to a shift in the UK Government's position. Why is it when the horrors increased the position stays the same? Lastly to echo the words in Tom Fletcher's briefing, will you act decisively to briefing, will you act decisively to prevent genocide and respect international humanitarian law or will you instead repeat the empty words that we did all we could?

12:43

Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Minister. testimony of the emergency relief coordinator, the very most senior official in the entire humanitarian system in the world, last night at the UN Security Council meeting record with our allies is clearly incredibly important. I can confirm to the honourable member that we abide by international law obligations, including to the Genocide Convention and we consider all of our assessments which are ongoing, all of the relevant test and we will continue to do so. The honourable gentleman asks important questions.

Questions which have echoed in this chamber yesterday and throughout this long and painful conflict. This government has taken steps, whether it is restoring funding, suspending arms exports, working with partners in the UN and elsewhere, but clearly we are in a situation today where nobody in this House would wish to be. Nobody on these benches and I am sure nobody on the benches opposite. We need to take more action until we see the changes needed but the central changes needed but the central question, as I have told this House repeatedly, central questions, is repeatedly, central questions, is And while this is not allowed into Gaza there is nothing that can be done to get the aid of the scale and done to get the aid of the scale and in the manner necessary to say Palestinian life and it is on that point we call the Security Council and it is that point we continue to make.

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Andy McDonald MP (Middlesbrough and Thornaby East, Labour)

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Right, Andy McDonald. repeatedly said that do everything to observe international law. Will he please accept that there is a growing body of opinion that says the UK is not doing that and we are not complying with our obligations? We are not doing so if we continue We are not doing so if we continue to supply parts of the F 35's, these are weapons which are dropping on children in Gaza. We cannot say we children in Gaza.

We cannot say we are observing the Geneva Conventions if we continue to supply those goods. He talks about doing all we goods. He talks about doing all we could. Is the case, then why are we not making it abundantly clear to not making it abundantly clear to Israel that trading with them is not an option while this continues? Is an option while this continues? Is he doing all that he could? Because many people in this place and beyond many people in this place and beyond many people in this place and beyond

12:46

Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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I know my honourable friend has commitment of with these issues over a long period of time. I do not understand the premise of his question and it is being determined by the courts this week and I will wait for the courts to make judgements on obligations. We are taking all the steps we can to bring the conflict to a close. He mentions vital questions of the F-35 programme and I know this House understands the significance of the program in Europe and across the world and what we have done has been on the basis of legal advice which has been tested in court this week has been tested in court this week and we must abide by obligations to and we must abide by obligations to allies and we are not selling the F-35s directly to authorities but continue to support the program continue to support the program which has critical importance to unions and we make these judgements calmly and soberly and will continue to do so.

to do so.

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Rt Hon Wendy Morton MP (Aldridge-Brownhills, Conservative)

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The situation in the Middle East continues to cause concern and that is why we have been clear that we have to see the return of the hostages and lasting ceasefire. There are still 58 hostages held in There are still 58 hostages held in Gaza by terrorists backed by Iran. Those still alive are being held in dreadful and appalling conditions without access to aid and medicine and the have been going through this for approaching 600 days and so they must be released as a matter of urgency.

Can the Minister did on the steps being taken to secure the release of remaining hostages? What is Britain contributing? This conflict with Tippett over long ago if they had been released by Hamas and the House must be aware they are committed to wiping out the state of Israel. What steps are being taken with international partners to deal with this threat to peace and security? We have constantly asked for a strategy so when will it come forward? Hamas can have no role in the future governance of Gaza so can we have an date on the steps the government has taken to secure this outcome and end the misery Hamas is inflicting on Gaza and the threat to Israel.

Can the Minister tell us exactly how much UK-funded aid is waiting to enter Gaza and fought the breakdown of that is? The government has known for months about the concerns about the delivery of aid to Gaza. What discussions have taken place with Israel and what practical solutions have been offered to solutions have been offered to support the delivery of aid that addresses concerns? Has the Minister been engaged in discussions with Israel and the US on alternative Israel and the US on alternative ways to get aid into Gaza? Does he have a view on this? We've been clear, while we continue to push for clear, while we continue to push for humanitarian aid and accountability we do not believe the actions we do not believe the actions constitute genocide and the case being brought by South Africa to the being brought by South Africa to the international court of justice is not helping.

not helping.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Can we please stick to the time? That was almost 1 minute over and saw please help the Minister because they have got enough to go on.

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Of course, I welcome the release yesterday and I know that the whole yesterday and I know that the whole house thinks of those hostages and I've been in direct contact with officials involved and it is a officials involved and it is a welcome development. We are focused welcome development. We are focused on ensuring the future for Gaza has no place for Hamas and we are working to try to achieve that and the honourable lady asks an important question about the important question about the proportion of aid getting in and for the last two months the terrible

12:51

Dr Rosena Allin-Khan MP (Tooting, Labour)

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the last two months the terrible answer is 100% but before that they were significant restrictions. I saw for myself the items that could not cross and the numbers are high but I will see with my officials if I can get more information. get more information.

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Slow and agonising breaths - scared and crying, emaciated bodies scared and crying, emaciated bodies fighting for every heartbeat. The death by 1000 cuts for children and death by 1000 cuts for children and parents watching babies deliberately be starved to death. Almost 1

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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be starved to death. Almost 1 million children at risk of famine and death in Gaza. Those who have stood by and allowed this to happen should hold their heads in shame. I call on this government to sanction Israeli officials until the blockade is lifted because if we do not act now, this will be on us. now, this will be on us.

12:52

Monica Harding MP (Esher and Walton, Liberal Democrat)

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I know the strength of feeling behind the words of my honourable friend and I'm sure she is aware of the findings of the report which delineate in great detail the precise suffering being felt because of nutrition. We are horrified by the findings. The need for action could not be more.

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The continuing blockade of Gaza by Israel, no exceeding 70 days, is by Israel, no exceeding 70 days, is unacceptable. Will the government recognise the blockade constitutes a clear violation of international law? The government must respect the determination reached regarding determination reached regarding genocide and there are already clear

12:53

Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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obligations to prevent genocide in Gaza arising from the order in January 2024. Has the government January 2024. Has the government taken steps to meet obligations and will be commit to banning the export of UK arms to Israel? Will the government consider sanctions on ministers and those who called for Gaza to be destroyed? Will the Gaza to be destroyed? Will the government commit to the image and installation of a Palestinian state? As was said yesterday, "If we have not done all we could to end the not done all we could to end the violence in Gaza, we should fear the judgement of generation." Does the Minister agree with me? Minister agree with me? This is lying heavily on me and every member of the team but let's not forget what the government has done, whether it is restoring funding, suspending arms exports, providing £110 million in humanitarian aid and then trying to ensure that enters or whether it is ensure that enters or whether it is working to fly medicine into Gaza, working on projects to help children in the UK, or supporting vulnerable children through UNICEF, we are children through UNICEF, we are taking steps and taking the judgement of the eye of CJ seriously judgement of the eye of CJ seriously but I cannot pretend these are acceptable and we will continue to take every step that we can to get a change, of course.

change, of course. Tomorrow is the 75th anniversary of the event that saw hundreds of thousands displaced from their homes. It still continues today and action is now required around genocide and a key step towards a two-step solution would be recognising this and that is something Israel is trying to prevent and so with the countries recognising, is now not the right time for the UK, too? time for the UK, too? time for the UK, too?

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Rt Hon Sir Edward Leigh MP (Gainsborough, Conservative)

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The question of recognition of a Palestinian state is one of vital importance. We want to do so as a contribution to a more stable region and we can see the serious and immediate threat and that is what we are focused on in these urgent days.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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I have been a member of the Conservative organisation for many years and Hamas is a brittle terrorist organisation -- brutal that hides people in hospitals but it is unacceptable to recklessly bomb a hospital. If the Minister aware that any friends of Israel worldwide are asked the question - when is genocide not genocide?

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Helena Dollimore MP (Hastings and Rye, Labour )

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I have heard in recent weeks powerful interventions from the officer and I take them seriously with the weight that they hold. We will not move towards questions of legal determination at the Dispatch Box. That does not mean that we will wait. The preliminary judgement of the ICJ and the measures that they

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set out are important. As the Minister has said, the

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As the Minister has said, the situation is intolerable and one in five are facing starvation and it

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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five are facing starvation and it has also been said that Israel is using it as a weapon and that is excusable. The continued firing of rockets by Hamas is also excusable and it all must end. I welcome the UK and international allies to call an urgent reform at the UN Security Council and the chief was clear and has warning about the dire consequences of this continuing. Can the Minister tell me what steps this government is taking to get more aid in and get hostages out and about the ceasefire and the two-state solution that we all want to see desperately.

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Rt Hon Sir Oliver Dowden MP (Hertsmere, Conservative)

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I thank my honourable friend who has long been committed to these issues. She used to be an aid worker herself and is an advocate on these points. We remain committed to the two-state solution and it will take all of our efforts to ensure the current approach is changed and that we return to a diplomatic solution and have a ceasefire and release hostages and go back to the two- state solution which is vitally important, as she rightly puts it.

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The situation in Gaza is clearly intolerable and Israel has got to

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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find a way to get aid in safely and without diversion. Will the Minister agree that we must be very careful about the use of the word 'genocide' about the use of the word 'genocide' and do not devalue it. This is used to describe the systematic and to describe the systematic and deliberate murder of 6 million Jews deliberate murder of 6 million Jews by Nazi Germany. We must question by Nazi Germany. We must question and I do not believe that award to Saint to release hostages and remove a terrorist threat against a a terrorist threat against a terrorist that hides among the civilian population crosses that threshold.

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Florence Eshalomi MP (Vauxhall and Camberwell Green, Labour )

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It is the long-standing position of governments to make determinations of this nature and we will abide by international humanitarian law.

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The reality is that since March 2, no food or medical supplies have 2, no food or medical supplies have reached over 2.3 million Palestinians. The reality is any of us from across the House have

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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us from across the House have attended statements, submitted Parliamentary questions, and spoken to the government around this issue. The reality is most hostages remain in captivity, unable to be released. The reality is by using aid to punish the many people is wrong. Does the Minister agree that under the Genocide Convention the UK has an obligation not only to prevent genocide but to take actions that genocide but to take actions that

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Mike Martin MP (Tunbridge Wells, Liberal Democrat)

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These are important questions about aid access and delivery. I want to be very clear that the UK That seeks to deliver political or military objectives or put vulnerable people at risk. The obligations under international humanitarian law and international law broadly are clear and they fall on Israel as the occupying power and

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they must abide by them. Very few things in politics, particularly international politics, are black or white. However, this is

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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are black or white. However, this is one of those issues. The Israeli government is using collective punishment of the civilian Palestinian population and this is illegal under international law. It contravenes the Geneva Convention which Israel is a party to. My question is does the Minister think the British Government has lost its moral and legal compass in

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continuing tacit support for Israel? I have set out some of what this government has done. I could continue for some time but let me be

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Abtisam Mohamed MP (Sheffield Central, Labour)

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continue for some time but let me be clear, because the honourable gentleman rightly pointed out the absolutely appalling nature of any attempt to try to weaponised aid, to use incendiary language, which is clearly in breach of international legal obligations. We have condemned much of that language from this despatch box and some of it was repeated by the Liberal Democrat spokesperson and I say again that the British Government condemns that inflammatory language and we continue to make our views known in the most forceful possible way with the Israeli Government.

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Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The international community have The international community have failed to stop Israel's impunity. We have collectively failed to act on have collectively failed to act on the violations as they are committed

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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the violations as they are committed to hold Israel to account. In our collective failure, Palestinians in Gaza face collective punishment. Israeli ministerial statements of stopping humanitarian aid as a lever pressure is not only indefensible but explicit admissions of violating international law. Minister, I hear the condemnations but I see no action. Why are we still sending arms? Why are we not sanctioning ministers? The UN have said what many know to be true. We as a signatory to the Geneva Convention have an obligation to prevent a genocide from taking place.

When will we act, Minister?

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Rt Hon Kit Malthouse MP (North West Hampshire, Conservative)

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The Member for Sheffield Central, my honourable friend is a forceful advocate for these questions and she points to failure and I recognise that failure. So many months and that failure. So many months and days on, we are still seeing this set of distressing circumstances. I will not comment from the despatch box on sanctions as you would expect. But I can assure her that we will be working urgently with our allies and partners on further

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course. It is becoming increasingly difficult to keep up with the slaughter in Gaza. The brutality and cruelty in the West Bank and starvation as a policy. The crimes come daily. Such as the recent killing of one of only three key eyewitnesses to the slaughter of rescue workers a few weeks ago, bodies being buried in shallow bodies being buried in shallow graves. It is clear to everybody that crimes are being committed daily. As a number of members

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daily. As a number of members pointed out, the UK is a party to international agreements which provide for a positive obligation to act to prevent genocide, torture, to protect the rights of people. We have an obligation as a member of the Security Council of the United Nations and as a party to the Geneva Convention to promote peace and security. What advice has the Minister taken as to his own liability in this regard, which will liability in this regard, which will attach to him as a decision-maker? Has the government advanced as to whether the Prime Minister, that the Foreign Secretary or any senior officials and previous ministers may officials and previous ministers may

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be exposed when the reckoning comes? As you would expect, I would not

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Imran Hussain MP (Bradford East, Labour)

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discuss internal legal advice in this chamber, whether that applies to me or other ministers of the government. I assure the honourable gentleman that right across government we understand the gravity of the situation. We understand the weight that falls upon us to try to weight that falls upon us to try to make sure changes come from a trajectory which is diabolical. We will use our role in the Security Council and the G-7 as we did yesterday and that action will not stop.

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The Minister still refuses to address the central issue. Our address the central issue. Our obligation to prevent genocide under statute has already been triggered by the ample evidence in front of us

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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by the ample evidence in front of us of Israeli war crimes in Gaza. So I ask the Minister how many more times will he come to this chamber with just words? Words that do nothing. We need action. Let us be clear that it is not a case of if but when he will enter the UK's complicity in arming a state accused of genocide against the Palestinians and when will he impose widespread sanctions on Israel? I say this to the

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I would just like to remind the House of the decisions that we took last year. We have discussed the question of the F 35 global spares tool and the basis of which where we tool and the basis of which where we have made a carveout is clear and has been debated many times. Aside has been debated many times. Aside from that carveout, we took a solemn duty on becoming the government to duty on becoming the government to make an assessment about a serious risk of potential breaches of international humanitarian law.

We international humanitarian law. We then suspended arms export licences where those weapons could be used in such conduct. That means in Gaza. That means in the West Bank. That That means in the West Bank. That means in relation to all of the areas where those risks are crude. We took far-reaching action. That

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Brendan O'Hara MP (Argyll, Bute and South Lochaber, Scottish National Party)

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We took far-reaching action. That action is still in place. We continue to conduct those assessments. I can understand why many members may feel frustrated about the carveout. Perhaps they feel frustrated also that we will continue to sell arms which cannot be used in our view, which could not risk a violation as according to the assessment discussed here. We think it is right we do continue to for example provide body armour in Gaza. example provide body armour in Gaza.

Supply chains which could end up in the hands of NATO allies. We have taken far-reaching action on arms. That is important work which we are

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I have just returned from the High Court this morning. His government's lawyers will argue in defending the continued supply of defending the continued supply of components that " the evidence available does not support a finding available does not support a finding of genocide and certainly there is a tenable view that no genocide has tenable view that no genocide has occurred or is occurring". It appears that your government,

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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whether it has told you or not, has already made a determination. That would explain I believe why there is no intention to have an independent assessment of whether a genocide is unlikely. Because the government knows that where they to do so, it would lead to an unpalatable truth which would then prevent them from supplying Israel with the weapons it needs to continue this merciless onslaught. It really is as grubby as

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that, isn't it? It is not as grubby as that. Almost every word of that, clearly Almost every word of that, clearly there is an ongoing legal case and we are not going to litigate that

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Paul Waugh MP (Rochdale, Labour )

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we are not going to litigate that case in this chamber as you would expect. A judicial review on the components is happening over these days. The judge will have a finding and we will respect it. Let me be absolutely clear to the honourable gentleman that we continue to conduct assessments across a full range of responsibilities under international law. It is simply not true to suggest we are avoiding making any internal assessment in order to justify policy. We continue to assess things carefully.

We do it regularly. What he has said is regularly. What he has said is Can I thank the Minister for his personal commitment to this cause? personal commitment to this cause? And can I thank UK Government for putting this on record at the UN yesterday as a matter of urgency? Can I also put to him directly the Can I also put to him directly the challenge from Tom Fletcher, the UN challenge from Tom Fletcher, the UN aid chief? He said for those killed and for those whose voices have been silenced, what more evidence do you silenced, what more evidence do you need now? Will you act decisively to prevent genocide? What is his answer to this question?

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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My honourable friend has been committed to these issues ever since he came to this place and I know before as well. The words of Tom Fletcher are important. He is the most senior member of the humanitarian committee in the world. What he said at the meeting we called yesterday is very important. We have not waited for the meeting yesterday. We have not waited for a determination of international courts to take action. Let us not forget what we have done.

Whether in relation to the agency, the arm suspension, the sanction on Israeli suspension, the sanction on Israeli settlers, the role in the United Nations Security Council, and we Nations Security Council, and we continue to take action. Mr Fletcher rightly asked for decisive action. Has our action yet been decisive? Has our action yet been decisive? Clearly it has not. Hostages remain Clearly it has not. Hostages remain detained. Palestinians continue suffering. A two state solution suffering. A two state solution feels very distant.

We have not yet had the decisive effect we would wish to see. We will continue to act until we do. until we do. As well as raping, kidnapping and killing of civilians on October 7 for its own sake, Hamas had a strategy of trying to prevent further peace deals between Israel and Arab neighbours by provoking a massive frenzied reaction to the atrocities. Does the Minister share my dismay that brutal strategy seems to be succeeding?

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Naz Shah MP (Bradford West, Labour)

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I do share his dismay that events in the region since October 7, since the horrific actions of October 7, have involved an enormous amount of bloodshed and civilian suffering. This government hopes we will yet see a day where there is a stable region with normal diplomatic relations among all members with a two state solution with two state living securely and safely side-by- side. I regret that feel such a distant prospect.

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77 years on, Israel's legal occupation eats away at the land and let me repeat the word loud and

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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let me repeat the word loud and clear, plausible genocide. Plausible genocide, Amnesty International. Plausible genocide, United Nations. Plausible genocide, United Nations. What I want to know is since the news this week, what I am asking the Minister is what new assessments Minister is what new assessments have been done and how often have they been done to determine what else and what other actions we can else and what other actions we can do to stop what is happening in Gaza, to the civilians, the children, the aid workers, to make children, the aid workers, to make sure we can get aid in? What other pressures can this government use, not just from our country but with international partners in addition international partners in addition to recognising Palestine mark surely that is long overdue.

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Rt Hon Jeremy Corbyn MP (Islington North, Independent)

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My honourable friend asks important questions about assessments. They are made regularly. They are made in the regularly. They are made in the But I assure her that But I assure her that we But I assure her that we do But I assure her that we do not But I assure her that we do not wait for assessments or final legal determinations before taking action. I have listed some of those actions already and can reassure her that we already and can reassure her that we will work urgently with allies and partners on further pressure to make Israel change course.

Israel change course.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Even if the Minister cannot condemn what is obviously an act of genocide, could he tell us in clear terms, are we still supplying components to jets that do find their way to Israel and do take part in a bombardment of Gaza? Are there still flights going from, over to Israel carrying military equipment which can be used to bomb Gaza or other take military action against other take military action against

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To be clear, decisions we take about arms affect every part of government and we will continue to abide by our obligations. Let me be clear on the position of the F-35. clear on the position of the F-35. Where the seals were directly to Israel, they have been suspended and Israel, they have been suspended and when it is to a global pool

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Andrew Pakes MP (Peterborough, Labour )

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when it is to a global pool necessary for continued function, that has not been suspended and when it goes to a global pool, it is possible that they could find a final destination in Israel but to suspend it to the global pool would render the program undoable and that is why we set out those decisions.

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Can I first put on record the

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Can I first put on record the relief I feel about the release of Alexander and I'm saying a prayer Alexander and I'm saying a prayer for other hostages. Every week, we come back to the House and the

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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come back to the House and the horror is greater and many of us walk up to a spokesperson for the Israeli government denying that there is hunger in Gaza at all but this House knows the reality and there are one in five people starving and he would now and be aware that Tom Fletcher spoke passionately and with purpose at the UN yesterday about the collective failure to speak out. Can I ask the Minister how we avoid it and what evidence we need before we take action and what more action can be taken?

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In the words of Tom Fletcher, it is important and the assessment

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Rt Hon Dr Andrew Murrison MP (South West Wiltshire, Conservative)

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is important and the assessment produced on Monday which is authoritative and thorough introduction is the most important indication of this in Gaza and should be taken seriously by everyone in the chamber and Israel everyone in the chamber and Israel as well and as my honourable friend knows in terms of the action we have taken so far, and I will not speculate I will reassure the House we will work urgently with allies and partners to make sure Israel changes course.

changes course.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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There can be few who would believe the conduct of the government is anything other than gross and disproportionate but does the Minister agree that the act in the region that has unequivocally the region that has unequivocally embarked on genocide is Hamas with embarked on genocide is Hamas with the self avowed policy of killing Jews and eradicating the state of Israel?

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Debbie Abrahams MP (Oldham East and Saddleworth, Labour)

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I have condemned the despicable actions and the ugly rhetoric many times from the dispatch box and I will do so again. It is the events will do so again. It is the events of October 7 that triggered this most recent round of violence. most recent round of violence.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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In addition to the release of all hostages, the emergency relief chief at the UN also asked what action we will tell future generations to stop the atrocity to which we are witnessing every day in Gaza? What witnessing every day in Gaza? What action will the government take within the next 24 hours if Israel within the next 24 hours if Israel does not allow aid into Gaza? does not allow aid into Gaza?

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Rt Hon Mark Pritchard MP (The Wrekin, Conservative)

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As I have said, the responsibility is heavy on all of us and we do not view it as acceptable and will take steps with allies and partners and urge them to change course.

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As we meet in this grand Palace of Westminster, the reality is on the ground, Palestinian children continue to die. Is it not becoming continue to die. Is it not becoming clear that the central policy of the

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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government seems more about protecting the political skin and life of the current Israeli Prime Minister rather than saving the lives of remaining hostages and the lives of Palestinians? I appeal to the government to be on the right side of history, the law, moral judgement, and not to back an individual fighting for his life

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back in Tel Aviv. The honourable gentleman speaks

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The honourable gentleman speaks powerfully about the views in Israel

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Rt Hon John McDonnell MP (Hayes and Harlington, Independent)

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powerfully about the views in Israel and I will not speculate on this decision but I listen carefully to the words of the hostages themselves and what they make of the circumstances and the policy they think should be adopted because these voices are important and are echoing loudly in this chamber and across the world. The obligations under law in relation to Gazza are indisputable and we are calling today as we have every day for them

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to abide by them. I refer to the register of

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I refer to the register of interest as the secretary of a interest as the secretary of a Parliamentary group and after the Parliamentary group and after the merger of Shireen Abu Akleh, along side her was another journalist shot in the back and two weeks ago

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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in the back and two weeks ago Israeli forces dragged him from his home and he is in detention somewhere and we do not know we are. Journalists are afforded special protection. Can I ask the Minister to take up with the government on the question of where he is and that we can do everything possible to secure his release? He was reporting on some of the worst crimes taking place.

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My right honourable friend raises important points about journalists

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Rt Hon Alistair Carmichael MP (Orkney and Shetland, Liberal Democrat)

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important points about journalists and I'm happy to take up the case in question. It is not just journalists but there was a whole sense of people afforded specialist protection under international law including medical professionals and aid workers and we have seen some terrible incidents in Gaza and are pressing for accountability and pressing for accountability and justice and in particular those killed more than one year ago, there has not been justice. has not been justice.

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Cat Smith MP (Lancaster and Wyre, Labour)

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Does the Minister accept that where evidence of genocide exist, with the determination formally made by a court, is not sufficient to prevent under the genocide

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Convention? The International Court of Justice is clear the correct

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Justice is clear the correct authority has issued provisional

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measures. What we are seeing is civilians

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What we are seeing is civilians starving to death and aid being held starving to death and aid being held for weeks and used as a weapon for weeks and used as a weapon against civilians. My constituents are outraged and so am I. What other are outraged and so am I. What other actions can the government take to send a more clear message that this send a more clear message that this must stop? Will the Minister look at sanctions and recognise the state of sanctions and recognise the state of Palestine? Will he look at arms

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John Cooper MP (Dumfries and Galloway, Conservative)

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sanctions? My constituents are concerned and I know constituents right across the whole of the country are concerned. whole of the country are concerned. I've seen with my own eyes and I went to see the British aid languishing while people desperately required it. There were restrictions stopping it from getting in and I assure her and constituents I've raised this in every way I have raised this in every way I have thought able to make progress and will continue to because it's a source of frustration to me and the government that we cannot get aid back into Gaza in accordance with international law.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Does the Minister have information about how much aid is being held in the Hamas -controlled warehouse is in Gaza? At the end of the day, it is the Iranian regime pulling the strings and they are holding the hostages in conditions akin to torture.

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Andy Slaughter MP (Hammersmith and Chiswick, Labour)

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We take serious steps to ensure Hamas do not get access to aid and we have supported a review and it was set out yesterday and he made remarks and his view on days to try to prevent Hamas from stockpiling aid and the findings of the report on Monday deal with the circumstances in which they are dealing with in Gaza. This malign role must stop. They have supported Hamas and brought nothing but pain and misery to Israelis.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Last week the Minister asked the question and we discussed forcible displacement and that is what is happening and it is a war crime and happening and it is a war crime and is about to exhilarate so, as the former Israeli Defence Secretary said last week, Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza.

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Mr Adnan Hussain MP (Blackburn, Independent)

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My honourable friend as an advocate for the Palestinian people and a respected lawyer. I will be clear that if the displacement is clearly committed by international law and we are clear on that.

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Amnesty International have

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Amnesty International have described the scenes in Gaza as genocide in action and Israel, according to experts, is deliberately creating conditions

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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deliberately creating conditions that could lead to the destruction of the Palestinian people and that is a pattern that many might argue amounts to genocide. As a signatory into the convention, does the Minister agree the UK has a legal duty to act when there is risk of genocide? The duty to prevent begins not when genocide is confirmed north not when genocide is confirmed north when it is proven, or when it is established, but when there is a reasonable suspicion that it is reasonable suspicion that it is occurring.

The warning signs are occurring. The warning signs are there for the government to act. Will the government act?

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Tahir Ali MP (Birmingham Hall Green and Moseley, Labour)

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I have set out the process of determination and the provisional measures that have been issued and the determination of the government not to wait and to take action now.

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Israel is intentionally targeting

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Israel is intentionally targeting Palestinians an action should be taken to stop war crimes and taken to stop war crimes and genocide. These are the words of a leading UN expert on the subject. Will the Minister tell us what they are scared of in terms of imposing sanctions on Israel? If the dispatch box is not where we can discuss this, certainly we can behind closed doors.

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Vikki Slade MP (Mid Dorset and North Poole, Liberal Democrat)

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I think the House has heard me talk about sanctions in the same terms over a long period of time. And I understand we cannot speculate And I understand we cannot speculate about sanctions we might take. We keep all of these matters under close review. We are not scared in terms of performance of duties and are working all the time to try to proactively change the situation on the ground and that is what we will do.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Barely a day goes by I do not receive impassioned pleas from constituents begging for actions not words from this government. Many have sheer distress that we celebrated the defeat of tyranny on VE Day at the same time people were starved and bombed to oblivion in Gaza. They say we are complicit in genocide. What are they saying to my constituents? I feel powerless to do anything then come here and say the anything then come here and say the Suspending arms licences, 129 hands-free these Palestinian territories, continued work at the US Security Council, continued work in relation to international courts.

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Ruth Jones MP (Newport West and Islwyn, Labour)

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And I recognise the frustration of the House and I do not in anyway wish to wear misery between the many wish to wear misery between the many people still in Gaza facing real hardship at this moment and the action of this Government has made a action of this Government has made a real difference to Palestinian lives. I have seen it with my own lives. I have seen it with my own eyes and there are people who are in safety now because of the UK Government and we will continue to

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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do what we can. I accept there is more to do, but what actions do have more to do, but what actions do have impact. Wye I thank the Minister for planning the horrors being infected planning the horrors being infected on the people of Gaza so clearly again today. We have heard from the despatch boxes in the many times despatch boxes in the many times before he took to record proceeding which take months, if not years to

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Martin Vickers MP (Brigg and Immingham, Conservative)

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which take months, if not years to complete. Men, women and children are dying every hour from hunger, are dying every hour from hunger, disease, and bombs in Gaza at the

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moment. They cannot wait. What is he doing? We need action, not words. I have outlined some of the

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I have outlined some of the action and I would like to reassure my right honourable friend were not waiting for legal determinations, not least because the ICJ has

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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not least because the ICJ has assumed provisional but as is the policy of the Government we are

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acting now to try and improve the life of Palestinians. Thank you. One thing we can all

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Thank you. One thing we can all agree on is that we want to see the safe release of the hostages, but in safe release of the hostages, but in mind it is clear that military action in and of itself was never going to achieve that. And with that going to achieve that. And with that in mind, does that Government support or condemn Israel for the

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Warinder Juss (Wolverhampton West, Labour)

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support or condemn Israel for the most recent escalation of military action? And if they are not prepared to condemn them at this stage how

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many more innocent deaths must there be before they do? My honourable friend refers to

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My honourable friend refers to the hostages. Some of the released hostages have made this argument hostages have made this argument with the greatest force and let you say concretely and clearly the say concretely and clearly the British Government opposes the

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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British Government opposes the return to war in Gaza. We oppose that most recent escalation.

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Warinder Juss (Wolverhampton West, Labour)

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I am sure I am not the only member in this House who was getting increasingly frustrated by the number of discussions we are having saying the same things over and over again, whilst the horrific condition again, whilst the horrific condition in Gaza progresses day by day. Does the Government agree that for us to send a clear message to Israel we send a clear message to Israel we need to do three things. Suspend all arms licences to Israel, including the F 35 licences.

Impose sanctions the F 35 licences. Impose sanctions against Israel and recognise the state of Palestine.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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The House has heard me speak of my frustration on a number of occasions and I share it with the honourable member. I think I have addressed three substantive points he raises already in this session. And I am the Minister. These responsibilities where particularly responsibilities where particularly heavily on me. I am not bland to the IPC. I cannot claim to Tom flow just IPC. I cannot claim to Tom flow just testimony at a session that we call, do the Honourable Members think I am do the Honourable Members think I am unaware of the horrors that being metered out on people in Gaza? I am metered out on people in Gaza? I am metered out on people in Gaza? I am not unaware.

I am taking every action I can, as are other Ministers. It is an intolerable situation, as you heard from the Prime Minister earlier, and we are making every effort to try to change it.

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Greg Smith MP (Mid Buckinghamshire, Conservative)

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Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Nobody wants more, but we must reflect that this is a war. It is a war between Israel and the aggressor war between Israel and the aggressor have mass. It was Tomas that brutally murdered, mutilated, and brutally murdered, mutilated, and raped innocent Israeli citizens. It is hummus that still keeps 58 is hummus that still keeps 58 hostages under lock and key. And it is how mass who, in their own charter, have genocidal intent, calling for the wiping out of Israel and the killing of Jews.

Will the Minister at least accept that for Minister at least accept that for those that wish to call those trying to defend their own citizens to defend their own citizens genocidal, that plays into the hands of the terrorists themselves who will continue to use their own citizens as human shields and give no pathway to peace.

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Richard Burgon MP (Leeds East, Labour)

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I condemn her mass and its actions entirely. Israel, we say to all of our allies, that international humanitarian law is a binding framework for us when it is reached in one place, it is reached in the echoes around the world. That is why we are so clear in this question.

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Thank you. I am sick and tired of coming back to this chamber and coming back to this chamber and asking the same questions and getting the same answers when warcry muffed a war crime is being committed and when a genocide is committed and when a genocide is taking place. It is a sick joke to believe that it is right, which it believe that it is right, which it is, to impose sanctions on Russia for its unlawful invasion of Ukraine, yet we are meant to believe

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Ukraine, yet we are meant to believe that touching at Benjamin Netanyahu and telling everyone that we think this is really bad somehow cuts the mustard. It does not. Words are not enough to stop warcrimes. We need more words, we need more actions, so can the Minister advise this House how many more Gazans need to be killed by Israel, injured by Israel, staffed by Israel, until the Government does the right thing and brings widespread sanctions in? Because people think we are scared and people think it is double standards.

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Bob Blackman MP (Harrow East, Conservative)

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We have taken action. I described that action this afternoon. And we should certainly not fear that ships are actions and I of course am always happy to return to this Dispatch Box to answer questions from parliamentarians, but I would not like to give the House the impression that is all I do, when I am not in this House I and working on these tasks with urgency. I have listed some of the actions we have taken since I have been the Minister and I will continue to work on these questions and I will continue to return to the House to and so your questions when you have them.

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Thank you. Over the last 18

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Thank you. Over the last 18 months, Israel has facilitated 48 million tons of aid going into Gaza and much of that has ended up in

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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warehouses, trucks have been raided by house operatives, and the aid has failed to get into the hands of the people that desperately needed, so now we have got a position with the blockade has continued until the Minister come up with a credible plan to actually get the aid in, required the IDF to facilitate the aid going to the people that desperately needed, and prevent her mass and other terrorist from capturing aid and venting the people of Gaza gaining the aid they desperately need.

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I do condemn where hummus has interfered with deliveries I condemn it utterly. We have to be clear that considerable amounts of aid were not

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Rachael Maskell MP (York Central, Labour )

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considerable amounts of aid were not allowed into Gaza. Even before this blockade and this blockade is now ensuring that nowhere near the level of aid is getting in. There are proposals that I think that honourable member has alluded to for other methods of getting in and our support to get it provided that in accordance with Unitarian principles in conflicts around the world and the hits majesties relief coordinator yesterday set out his views on that. views on that.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. UK manufacturers of F 35 components can place GPS markers on every single component. The UK Government can ensure that every component that is exported can have a GPS marker on is exported can have a GPS marker on it, so what is the Governments excuse for continuing with its program on F 35's? When it can distinguish the destination of every single component. single component.

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Tom Morrison MP (Cheadle, Liberal Democrat)

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Madam Deputy Speaker, I have set out the position on F 35's. Set out the manner in which the global affairs pool works, that is the information provided by the experts who are responsible. I understand that some Honourable Members may disagree with those facts. The discussion is happening in the review this week and we will get ahead of that.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. One in five are facing starvation. 90% of people are now displaced. Over 50,000 people are dead and Gazza is the most dangerous place on earth for humanitarian workers. This has to end but, still, the Government keep condemning Netanyahu but he does not listen. The time forwards has to stop. We need action. Will the Minister take this time to commit to sanctioning those extremist members of the Israeli cabinet to stopping all arms traits with the Israel Government and recognising the Palestinian state? recognising the Palestinian state?

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Rachel Hopkins MP (Luton South and South Bedfordshire, Labour)

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I think those three points have been put to me already over the course of the afternoon, so I will not repeat my answers, I will not collate on further sanctions. I will point out he references sanctions that we have taken far-reaching sanctions and we continue to impose the violent expansion in the the violent expansion in the occupied territories in law and we will continue to do so.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Rachel Hopkins. continue to come to the chamber and ask those questions when our constituents continue to be horrified, likely, with the devastation that is playing out in Gaza. The UN stated that action must be taken out of prevent this. Does the Minister understand that our constituents when they see a legal response remain so frustrated and they want to see tangible action? Does the Minister understand that? Does the Minister understand that?

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Iqbal Mohamed MP (Dewsbury and Batley, Independent)

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I do understand the frustration as I said earlier, a frustration that I know across the country everyone across the country once to see an end to the awful scenes on

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our televisions. Thank you. The Minister has stated that the legality of the UKEF 35 exports is currently being tested 35 exports is currently being tested in the courts. In the High Court, the Government has made submissions that no evidence has been seen that that no evidence has been seen that Israel is deliberately targeting civilian women and children. There is also evidence of Israel making efforts to limit incidental harm to efforts to limit incidental harm to civilians. If the Government needs to be shown evidence that Israel is

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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to be shown evidence that Israel is deliberately targeting civilians, I suggest the Minister and his colleagues review the footage captured by the BBC in yesterday's bombing of the Gaza hospital, or the footage amazing from the NASA hospital, or the millions of hours hospital, or the millions of hours of live stream footage available since October 7, or the thousands of reports and articles published since. The past 18 months has seen since. The past 18 months has seen it total raw Gaza with ethnic cleansing according to the UN.

Does the UN deny the existence of this the UN deny the existence of this evidence? And, if so, has the Government committed perjury in court?

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Ms Stella Creasy MP (Walthamstow, Labour )

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Obviously it is inappropriate it are to rehearse submissions which are currently being heard by the court.

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Thank you. I know that the Minister will know this, so we should put this on the record, that when President Netanyahu says that when President Netanyahu says that there is no way he will stop his there is no way he will stop his onslaught of Gaza, he does not do so onslaught of Gaza, he does not do so with the consent of the hostage families or, indeed, the majority of people in Israel. Even President Trump is now avoiding him, but my colleague is right.

We have

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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colleague is right. We have obligations and I your the frustration from the Minister. I think across this House we want to give him strength so that he can go further. People have heard the calls about sanctions, about reports in the court. Will he give us, as we had in 2014, a vote in this place about immediately recognising Palestine so that we can strengthen his negotiations with Israel to send that clear message that what is happening in Gaza is wrong and must

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stop. I know that my honourable friend

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Jack Rankin MP (Windsor, Conservative)

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I know that my honourable friend has a constituent, an incredibly brave and courageous constituent herself in the hostage family and her words whenever I have seen her, those of other hostage families, really as I know they do across the world. They are important views expressed by those most directly affected by the horrors of October 7. And the events that followed. And I have heard some of the arguments already in relation to that.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Thank you. Can I thank the Minister for his clarity that genocide is a legal test to test whether a crime committed would be intent to destroy a national ethnic racial or religious group in that impact. Exactly what the hummus terrorist groups state in their foundational charter, the intent to destroy Israel and Jews worldwide as they actively sought to do on 7 October. If it wanted to end the war, hummus would release 58 hostages it continues to hold. How was the Minister supporting our friend and ally in the democracy of Israel in its fight against the

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I agree with the Honourable Gentleman about the horrors of what Hamas has done. They have an ugly

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Laurence Turner MP (Birmingham Northfield, Labour)

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Hamas has done. They have an ugly and unacceptable rhetoric not just towards Israelis but Jews everywhere. I recognise the anxiety in this country about the rise in anti-Semitic rhetoric ever since October 7. We have, as I've said earlier, Israel is our ally and we will stand with her when she faces legitimate terrorist threats. We have always urged her to abide by international humanitarian law. Where there is a risk that she has not come away discuss it.

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I'd like to pre-face the question by saying that no member of this house should doubt the dedication house should doubt the dedication and compassion -- with which the Minister fulfils his duties. The Minister fulfils his duties. The World Health Organization has warned

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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World Health Organization has warned of hunger in Gaza. The WHO quoted figures produced by the Gazan Health Authority. What assistance does the UK make -- what does the UK make of the malnutrition in Gaza? This is a result of Israel's refusal to allow

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My honourable friend from Birmingham asks important questions. I know he follows these issues closely. The most up-to-date and authoritative assessment on these

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Andrew George MP (St Ives, Liberal Democrat)

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authoritative assessment on these questions is the IPC assessment of Monday. We are considering it in detail. It's findings are appalling. We are not yet able to fully delineate the link between age

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I'm looking to finish this urgent question around 2 o'clock so if members could keep their questions and also ministers keep their and also ministers keep their answers, I would appreciate it.

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Andrew George. I've just returned from the

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I've just returned from the occupied Palestinian territories. It occupied Palestinian territories. It was far worse. Is really ministers are gleefully calling for the are gleefully calling for the bombing of food warehouses because they believe that that would help bring victory in their eyes. It is bring victory in their eyes. It is quite clear that Israeli hostages being used as a pretext to continue

13:48

Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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being used as a pretext to continue the slaughter and starvation in Gaza. Although I reckon I is the sincere compassion of the Minister in the way that he has expressed himself on this issue. It's quite clear he comes with a straight jacket around him. What we need is the Prime Minister to make the decision. Are going to get to the point of seeing changes or any action on arms supplies or trade in action on arms supplies or trade in any other area or indeed the recognition of the state of Palestine.

If he can't do that, can he recognise the right of Palestinians to statehood?

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Dr Rupa Huq MP (Ealing Central and Acton, Labour)

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Order, Minister. of this house seeing these situations up close and having their own judgements. The relevant own judgements. The relevant minister and I will speak with the authority of the government. The Minister, who is a good man, recognises that the 70 day blockade has made starvation widespread in has made starvation widespread in Gaza. When I was on delegation, we were nearby in Egypt. Annexation of both Gaza and the West Bank seem both Gaza and the West Bank seem inevitable.

Authorities in Egypt told us there has been a clear told us there has been a clear escalation. Can he give us some hope that there are further levers that we can pull because we don't want to we can pull because we don't want to be on the road -- rogue site -- wrong side of history.

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Rt Hon Liz Saville Roberts MP (Dwyfor Meirionnydd, Plaid Cymru)

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Egypt is an important partner for the UK in relation to these questions. I myself saw the vital role they are playing in supporting healthcare for injured Palestinian children. I saw injured Palestinian children myself at the hospital and children myself at the hospital and I was pleased to announce UK contribution to ensure that contribution to ensure that Palestinians displaced into Egypt get the help and healthcare they need. need.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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The UN says Israel's denial of international law creates a risk we are witnesses to genocide. Will the Minister act now and enable eight airlifts? -- aid. airlifts? -- aid.

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Matt Western MP (Warwick and Leamington, Labour)

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We have supported airlifts in the past and have been pleased to work with Jordanian allies on that question. Given the scale of need in Gaza, we should not be displaced from the central question, which is ensuring that the road crossing -- crossings are open.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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It should have been clear at the outset when the former is really ministers said that Israel will eliminate everything. 18 months later, blocking eight is being used to create pressure and starvation and being used as a weapon of war. Can this government now urgently act to prevent this? to prevent this?

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Ayoub Khan MP (Birmingham Perry Barr, Independent)

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My honourable friend asks important questions and I've been clear from this dispatch box and I'm clear again. Aid must not be used as a pressure to. It must not be used as political leveraged or a military tactic. tactic.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Thank you. With that truly -- with the truly shocking statements in this chamber, the Minister suggested that not enough Palestinians have been killed in order to constitute a genocide. The prime minister stated that he didn't refer to it as a genocide. If that is the case, why are the government lawyers making submissions, advancing submissions that no genocide has been conducted when it genocide has been conducted when it comes to the sale of the F-35 parts? comes to the sale of the F-35 parts?

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Sonia Kumar MP (Dudley, Labour)

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I'm going to try to litigate the submissions of the court case on the questions that we have described. I have addressed issues repeatedly in this house. I have always been clear that we would defend that case and that's what we're doing, and we will see the judgement of the judges. see the judgement of the judges.

13:53

Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Currently, 4000 newborns in Gaza are unable to access essential, life-saving care due to disk auction of medical facilities. Malocclusion and death among children is now a daily reality. Ignoring -- does the Minister agree it is time to go further and find alternative ways to get critical medicines into Gaza to protect those vulnerable children and ensure there is humanitarian access to Gaza? Will he consider alternative routes for those children who are in desperate need

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My honourable friend is very committed to those questions. I responded to an earlier question emphasising the central importance

13:54

Shockat Adam MP (Leicester South, Independent)

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emphasising the central importance of road crossings to ensure aid. I want to assure the house that we will use whatever alternatives we can find. That includes supporting the small number of Gaza and children -- Gaza children to get help in the UK which they are currently accessing. Where we can help, we will help. I must be honest with the house about the scale of the help required.

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Thank you. Three weeks ago, while

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Thank you. Three weeks ago, while I was in the West Bank, I spoke to a young Palestinian refugee mother who asked me, why has the world

13:55

Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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asked me, why has the world forgotten us? My response has been echoed today. We haven't forgotten them but we have failed them completely. The failure looks like this. The United Nations has now confirmed that every single day, over 100 children have been killed or injured since March. Imagine that as our children. Can I ask the Minister, if God forbid, of 100 European children were being killed every single day, or God forbid, 100 Israeli children were being killed every single day, would we be

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supplying even a penknife to the perpetrators of this crime? Yes or not? The death of any child is a

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Rt Hon Liam Byrne MP (Birmingham Hodge Hill and Solihull North, Labour)

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The death of any child is a tragedy. I have set out already the steps that we have taken in relation to this. I would like to reassure those watching not from the UK, as I have reassured Jordanians and -- Nobody has forgotten about Gaza. Not in this house, not in this country. It will continue to be an issue of the first rank of importance for this government. I will continue to this government. I will continue to work every day to try and get the changes we describe today.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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You have touched on the supply of jets for international security. F 35 is our a crucial part of that.. Can I ask that the government is considering whether Israel and its action should be part of that?

13:56

Jim Shannon MP (Strangford, Democratic Unionist Party)

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I don't wish to seem evasive but when these questions are being determined in the court this week, I don't want to get ahead of those submissions and discussions.

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I think some thanks should be given to the Minister for his temperament, his words well chosen temperament, his words well chosen and his reaction to all the questions. ES showed incredible

13:57

Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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questions. ES showed incredible patience and we all admire him for that. -- He has showed. The suffering of Israeli and Palestinian children means that we must find a way forward to secure peace. How does the Minister believe we can further push for the aim of peace and to put the welfare of the children, the innocents in this

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region, as a priority? The honourable member is

13:57

Johanna Baxter MP (Paisley and Renfrewshire South, Labour)

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The honourable member is unfailing in his courtesy. He asks the vital, the central question of the vital, the central question of how we can return to a diplomatic process that can be provided for security and stability in the region. It must be in accordance with the reconstruction plan with no place for Hamas in the future, immediate return of hostages and a return to the dramatic process for two states side by side. two states side by side.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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My constituents in Paisley and reference yourself -- reference sure -- Renfrewshire South write to me every day about this situation. The denial of aid is not only an tolerable, it is unconscionable. My honourable friend was right earlier when he talked about deeds, not words. Can I ask what does further pressure on Israel look like? What pressure on Israel look like? What tactical measures will our government take to prevent genocide in line with our international legal obligations?

13:58

Paula Barker MP (Liverpool Wavertree, Labour)

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I can reassure my noble friend and her constituents from Paisley that we discuss these matters urgently with her friends and urgently with her friends and allies, and that we will always abide by our international legal obligations, including those she mentions.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Given the genocide that we are witnessing unfold before our eyes every single day, will the government dropped the 2030 Road government dropped the 2030 Road back -- roadmap and impose diplomatic sanctions in order to apply pressure on Israel to abide by its obligations under international law? law?

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John Slinger MP (Rugby, Labour)

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I thank my honourable friend from Liverpool Riverside for her continued engagement in these questions. I'm afraid, as you would expect, I would be speculating on further sanctions from this dispatch box this afternoon.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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I acknowledge the dedication of my honourable friend and British diplomats in this regard. My constituents are deeply concerned. Does he agree that the Israeli security plans are completely unacceptable? It's a duplicate is also totally unconscionable. We must also totally unconscionable. We must make plain to this is really government that we and the international community will not international community will not tolerate this. We will consider all the practical steps, including military aid to get aid through to those who need it.

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Kim Johnson MP (Liverpool Riverside, Labour)

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I thank my honourable friend. I can reassure him that we are considering all matters to try and considering all matters to try and ensure that aid into Gaza. I regret that there is no alternative to road access given the scale of aid required but we will continue to work on these questions with the urgency that he describes and I'm grateful for his words about the British diplomats and I can assure the house that it is not just that ministerial team.

It is the diplomatic service of the kingdom that works of these questions, including the Security Council including the Security Council

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Thank you. 10 long weeks since the Israeli blockade has brought famine to the region while food has gotten to the border and is really Government denied the scale of the atrocities, with the defence minister quoting the blockade is a main pressure lever to secure victory. As a member of the UN Security Council, when will this Government pose meaningful sanctions to stop the genocide obviously happening? happening?

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Emily Darlington MP (Milton Keynes Central, Labour)

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We have covered sanctions and determinations, but I want to reassure my honourable friend is that we consider our position on the UN County Counsel as an important responsibility and that is why we called the meeting. Yesterday, in the council, that has led to so much of the discussions.

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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Thank you. When we look at those seats for many of our constituents there looking for family members in those pictures. One such member is a doctor who was stuck in North Gaza, very ill and frail and his son and daughter-in-law are important NHS doctors and my constituency, what are we doing to make sure that those people that are stuck in Gaza have a way to come out and cared for their

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family members here? Where British nationals or their dependents are in Gaza this is a top priority for my officials to ensure that they are able to live safely. I that they are able to live safely. I do not wish to comment on the specifics but I am very happy to take out a specific case both with take out a specific case both with my right honourable friend and any

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I also thank the Minister for their work on this issue. Given the

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Brian Leishman MP (Alloa and Grangemouth, Labour)

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their work on this issue. Given the U.K.'s commitment to a two state issue on our obligations under the law can the Government explain how it justifies engaging in trade negotiations with Israel while the UN is warning us about genocide in Gaza? And will the Minister agree that pursuing a trade deal in these circumstances would undermine our ability and two state solution would also undermine our positive solutions are to prevent violations in international law?

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I can assure the House that my focus is on the matters we have discussed this afternoon. They are

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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The truth is that there is no need for any organisation to tell the public that what is happening is the public that what is happening is genocide. After all, we have seen the attempted extermination of the Palestinian people televised live. I Palestinian people televised live. I pray to the Minister that this will bring the accomplices complicit and accomplices to the warcrimes committed by Israel and what committed by Israel and what actually has to happen for our Government to take meaningful action

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In the time that I have been a minister from the very first day I was a minister we were still funding was a minister we were still funding within weeks we had taken the far- reaching actions that I have described in relation to arms sales. described in relation to arms sales. I understand the question and I understand the feeling of our constituents right across the

14:04

Laura Kyrke-Smith MP (Aylesbury, Labour)

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constituents right across the country in Lincoln and elsewhere, but that the Government has taken the same steps to those opposite us, we took a series of steps. We took them quickly and we took them decisively I do not say to the honourable member that what we have done is enough. No one would think it is enough. No one could be listening to the UN Security Council yesterday afternoon and think it is yesterday afternoon and think it is enough, but it is different to say there is more to be done than it is to say there is nothing to be done.

to say there is nothing to be done.

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Ms Polly Billington MP (East Thanet, Labour)

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After 70 days we are watching an entirely preventable famine unfolding in real time in Gaza and we mark the Government NGO bill 60 restrict the life-saving operation and militarised aid and humanitarian law. I thank the Minister for all of his efforts in the challenge at this point, but would he continue to challenge the Israeli Government on this and does he agree there has to be accountability?

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legislation in the asset that we are engaging and the questions that it raises. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.

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Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I thank my honourable friend for the work. We must indeed feel very

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Mr Hamish Falconer MP, Parliamentary Under-Secretary (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Lincoln, Labour)

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work. We must indeed feel very lonely on that Frontbench. I also particularly welcome the urgent session that we managed to secure at the United Nations and things have gotten more difficult over the recent days and we must ask the question are we doing enough with our allies on a number of fronts? Particularly, recognition. Where private letting has gone for many of my colleagues here today outside the House and there is unity across the House for recognition of the state of Palestine.

Action on sanctions, also on the violent settlements, and, above all, can we please roll out the trade deal?

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I am grateful, genuinely grateful, to all those across the House who ask questions, seek me out House who ask questions, seek me out across the palace to raise the force on this and I have seen the letter on this and I have seen the letter to which my honourable friend referred. I recognise that I return to this House on a practically daily basis, given the strength of viewing across the House. And we will continue to work on the questions

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Urgent Question: To ask the Leader of the House if she will make a statement on Government compliance with the general principle set out in paragraph 9.1 of the Ministerial Code

that she outlines. I will not rehearsed answers to the questions, but I would assure her that I will continue to engage right across both my benches and others on these questions.

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That concludes the Urgent Question. We now move onto the next Urgent Question, I will give the Second Second question, Second question, Kirsty Second question, Kirsty Blackman.

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I would like to ask the leader of the she will make a statement on Government compliance with the general principles set out in paragraph 9.10 the ministerial code.

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paragraph 9.10 the ministerial code. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.

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Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The ministerial code is clear. When Parliament is in session, the most important announcements of important announcements of Government policy should be made in the first instance to Parliament. the first instance to Parliament. This is an important principle by which this Government stands. Already, this session, there have Already, this session, there have been 146 oral statements in just 133 been 146 oral statements in just 133 sitting days. More than one per day. And more than the previous Government made in the entirety of their last session.

This has included six important statements from the Prime Minister, more than from the Prime Minister, more than 20 from the Foreign Office, and on very important issues like today's statement on effective blood. I am the Government take our obligations to Parliament very seriously and the to Parliament very seriously and the Prime Minister and I remind Cabinet colleagues of this regularly. There are also other ways the Government keeps the House of dated, including through written Ministerial statements of which there have been 633 so far this session, responses and appearances at select committees, thousands of responses to parliamentary questions.

And while the Government remains committed to making the most important announcements on the floor of the House, we do need to balance this with other demands on the House as time, particularly where there is great interest in other business of the day. On occasion, developments and enhancements will happen when the House is not sitting, or image later in the sitting day. That is why it is not always possible to make every announcement in the House first, but it is also important that members have sufficient time to read and digest any relevant document and get advanced notice to be able to, effectively, question the Minister effectively, question the Minister and seek any answers.

However, as you know, I take this aspect of the ministerial code incredibly seriously, and I will continue to work with Mr Speaker and colleagues across the House to ensure that across the House to ensure that Parliament is respected, members are informed, the Government is effectively scrutinised, and effectively scrutinised, and announcements are made to this House first.

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Kirsty Blackman MP (Aberdeen North, Scottish National Party)

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Over recent times we have seen an increasing trend of Government failing to make statements to the House first, despite there being no barrier to them doing so. Thursday last week was a mess with the Minister of State business entry trying to withdraw the statement on the UK US trade agreement, despite members waiting here for seven hours for the statement to materialise. The decision to acknowledge NHS in was reversed on 13 March and atrial of media beforehand and on Wednesday, 4 March and Urgent Question was granted regarding an announcement that had been made the day before on that system nimble farming initiative being cancelled and on March 6 consultation on North Sea energy that announced the day before was relayed to the House in a statement.

In February, the Government change refugee citizenship rules and still has not informed the House. On Monday this week, the Prime Minister announced the contents of the immigration white paper via a speech that mirrored Enoch Powell, despite Parliament sitting later that day. This is a consistent pattern of behaviour by the Government and IM concerned that there is little point concerned that there is little point in having a ministerial code if the Government can't ignore one of the key principles with no stanchion and key principles with no stanchion and apparently no quantum basis.

The Government are nearly 1 year into their term, and so disorganisation or a lack of familiarity with the rules can surely no longer be cited as reasons for consistent breaches as reasons for consistent breaches of code. I believe the UK Government should adhere to the principles set out in the ministerial code and the leader of must urgently set out how leader of must urgently set out how she intends to improve the situation and ensure adherence happens.

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Well, can I thank her for raising this Urgent Question? And I welcome the opportunity to emphasise the importance that I do take these matters with. We have made a number of very big announcements to the House, often responding to world events in real-time. I also recognise, and I hope you will respect this, that there are judgements to be made and there is a balance to be struck at times, and I do this with the best interests of the House in mind.

There have been many times, she has not mentioned those, in this parliamentary session where statements have been made to this House long before the media or anybody else was aware of them. For example, on prison capacity. The increase of defence spending to 2 1/2%. The response to the Parliamentary ombudsman report in the state pension age and many others. And, actually, Madam Deputy Speaker, an many of those occasions, the criticism that I received was that members did not have enough time to properly consider the details of those before having the opportunity to question the opportunity to question the Minister.

On the immigration white paper, I would just say with that in mind, hardcopies of the white paper, which is a very lengthy, detailed document, were made available in the table office at, were made available in the table office at 9:30 AM that morning to allow members ample time to read and consider that for questioning for the Home Secretary on the floor of the House in a session that lasted one hour and 25 minutes. She raises the US trade deal as well. Last Thursday. And look, I think we can all recognise that it not happen exactly as we would have liked it.

Because international events are often outside of our control. And on this occasion and on other occasions, those international events do not take account of UK parliamentary sitting hours and our sort of timing. The trade minister made an oral statement to the House as sooner he was able to do so. And I was trying to get the balance right there between that statement being made, when the maximum number of members were here, versus a statement then not being made for several days, otherwise, because it was a Thursday, as the House was arriving.

We are doing a lot. We are getting on with delivering a huge amount of issues and policies. These trade deals, which are unprecedented, in relation to other countries, the US trade deal, delivering lower tariffs on steel and car manufacturing, absolutely critical. The India trade deal delivering for Scottish distilleries and Scotland as well. In trying to do everything all the time, we are trying to get that balance right, but I do want to just emphasise my commitment to making sure that when announcements can be made in this House, they absolutely are.

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I am very grateful to the honourable lady for raising this Urgent Question. As she has highlighted, there is a consistent pattern of failure to report first to this House as required in the ministerial code. She has rightly drawn attention to the seems that we drawn attention to the seems that we had in relation to the trade minister required to deliver a statement, then having to hear that following Monday and trying to give the same statement rebuked by the

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Rt Hon Jesse Norman MP (Hereford and South Herefordshire, Conservative)

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the same statement rebuked by the Speaker for not knowing the difference and of course we had back in October we had the embarrassing site for the Government of the Chancellor announcing intended changes to the government's fiscal rules to the media before informing Parliament and having to be publicly rebuked by Mr Speaker. For doing so. Since then, she has mentioned a number of cases. I would highlight that the Secretary of State's indication announcing tuition fees to the press before Parliament in November, deputy minister announcing planning reforms before the final UPFs update was publicly available.

And MOD leak on the global combat And MOD leak on the global combat The ministerial code for which the government took great credit makes very plain what the rules are. Doesn't say that judgements are to be made. It says the first announcement must be made to Parliament with the most important announcements of government policy are made. Does anyone seriously think that an announcement on trade wouldn't be of first importance to this House, or on planning or tuition fees or the Global Combat Air Programme? Every single one of those would be vital.

Is not just a matter of ministerial accountability. These decisions are made in breach of the Nolan made in breach of the Nolan principles of openness and requirement for accountability. They are made in breach of Labour's own are made in breach of Labour's own manifesto to restore confidence in government. The question is this : government. The question is this : will the right honourable lady encourage the independent adviser to encourage the independent adviser to make an enquiry? Was she look to the make an enquiry? Was she look to the cabinet secretary to the same with civil servants? And will she look to the Deputy Speaker?

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I would gently remind the honourable gentleman that the ministerial code does say when the house in -- is in session. Announcements will be made to this house first. Those announcements can be made via written ministerial statement and other things as well. That is the balance to be struck and we try to do that in the best interest of the House. I'm sorry, Madam Deputy Speaker. He describes this as a business question and go but I'm going to give him a bingo because I'm not going to take a lecture from the honourable gentleman on these matters.

This government has done twice as many oral statements in the same number of sitting days as his government did. We are ensuring there is a proper time to scrutinise government bills, something they did not do. We are answering significantly more written parliamentary questions than his government ever did. And his government, I have to remind the house at this stage, illegally provoked Parliament when they provoked Parliament when they couldn't get their own way. Something he went out and defended Something he went out and defended to his own constituents.

They had a Prime Minister who was found of misleading this has, something he misleading this has, something he also defended. And when an MP broke the standards rules, they tried to the standards rules, they tried to change them. This government respects Parliament, we stand up for the rights of Parliament. His the rights of Parliament. His government absolutely traduce them. Well the Minister agree that there is a slight irony in the SNP raising this? But of course it is also vital that important announcements should be made in this house first in these key areas of policy? This includes most recently on the vital trade deal we have secured with India which is of such importance to the Scottish economy.

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Marie Goldman MP (Chelmsford, Liberal Democrat)

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Well, he makes a really good point. The trade deal with India was absolutely really good for the Scottish distillery. I think it's going to bring in over £1 billion of additional trade for the whiskey trade sector. I wasn't aware, actually, of his experience in the Scottish parliament, but he's made a

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Liberal Democrat spokesperson. I thank the honourable lady for bringing this urgent question today.

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All of us in this chamber were elected to represent our constituents and to put the interests of the country first. In order to do that, we must be able to scrutinise the government's plans in the government's policies. The best way to do that is in this chamber way to do that is in this chamber and as soon as possible, so Sue -- so we are disappointed it is being handled in this way and we also know handled in this way and we also know it isn't the first time.

The shadow leader has mentioned various examples of this and I would like to add some more. Take the NHS, for example, where the government has made key decisions without any statement to the chamber. Decisions on social care, cutting integrated on social care, cutting integrated care board budgets and scrapping nearly half of NHS targets. The nearly half of NHS targets. The question has to be why is the government so worried about bringing these issues to the floor first? Can I thank her for that question.

I have to disagree with her analysis there are. The Secretary of State for Health and his department, they have made eight announcements to the house so far in this session, all of which have been taken by the Secretary of State for Health himself and they have lasted a long time as well. His department have been answering many written parliamentary questions, laying down WMSs. The prime minister has made statements himself to this House. Twice already in this session. Far outstripping his predecessor.

We are accountable. Of course, we can always do better and improve and that is what we seek to do. Because we are so busy as a government we are so busy as a government getting on delivering the change that people have voted for, we are doing our best to inform the House of it. of it.

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At points over the last few years, SNP leadership in Scotland have been under police investigation. All the while the government is failing Ayrshire government is failing Ayrshire fairies, costing £0.5 billion. The shambolic creation of Social shambolic creation of Social Security Scotland. With this constant waste of taxpayers money, does she agree with me the SNP does she agree with me the SNP should not be looked to as the model of good government? of good government?

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Rt Hon Sir Julian Lewis MP (New Forest East, Conservative)

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He makes very important point. We all should hold ourselves to high standards of accountability and transparency and that perhaps the Scottish Nationalist Party should do

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The right honourable lady is an attentive Leader of the House and I hope that the Government shows the hope that the Government shows the same degree of loyalty to her after a tough couple of weeks as she is showing to them. But whilst I

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Rt Hon Lucy Powell MP, Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons (Manchester Central, Labour )

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showing to them. But whilst I acknowledge that the government does make any statements to the house, the point is that all too often it makes them to the media first. This was noted by you, Madam Deputy Speaker, in your announcement on Monday when you said Mr Speaker does not understand why the government insisted on making announcements this way when the ministerial code is absolutely clear. Will she take the message back and if she can confess it on the floor of the house that they are going too far and they need to stop.

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Leader of the House. Can I first of all thank the honourable gentleman for his kind honourable gentleman for his kind remarks? He is a very attentive member when it comes to raising member when it comes to raising matters with me and business questions were the government is falling short of its commitment to transparency and openness, whether transparency and openness, whether that is regarding ministerial that is regarding ministerial questions our correspondence and so on, which I do follow up for him.

As I said in my opening remarks, we do I said in my opening remarks, we do endeavour to make these important announcements to the house first when the house is in session.

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Mr Alex Barros-Curtis MP (Cardiff West, Labour)

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when the house is in session. Obviously, he will appreciate that at times those announcements are made when the house is not in session, or because we want to give members ample time to fully consider the detailed documentation sitting alongside them. I can reassure him that this is something I speak to my cabinet colleagues about very regularly, as does the Prime Minister, and I speak to Mr Speaker about it as well. We will continue to raise our game to ensure that big, important statements are brought to the house.

brought to the house.

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Rt Hon Lucy Powell MP, Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons (Manchester Central, Labour )

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Thank you. Further to the detail that the leader has set out in her response to the urgent question, could she say a bit more about the modernisation agenda but she is championing? I refer to the fact I am a member of the Modernisation Committee which is chaired by the Leader. Which she agree that all members come all sides of the house should take it seriously so we can best serve the constituents that we are here to serve?

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Can I thank him for raising that? As he knows, is a member of the Modernisation Committee, I want to Modernisation Committee, I want to ensure that this House of Commons and Parliament becomes and remains

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Brendan O'Hara MP (Argyll, Bute and South Lochaber, Scottish National Party)

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the crucible of national debate once again, if indeed it ever was that enough. That is one of the agendas that we are delivering. I want to make sure that all members from across the house, particularly, actually, the smaller parties who are in our new multi-party House of Commons perhaps don't have the access that others do, have ample opportunity to really scrutinise government legislation and make the most of this House of Commons. I want to proceed on the basis of cross-party agreement so that every member of this house feels they are able to scrutinise and hold to

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account the government of the day. I thank my honourable friend for securing this urgent question. It's securing this urgent question. It's not the first time she has had to raise this issue in her

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Rt Hon Lucy Powell MP, Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons (Manchester Central, Labour )

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raise this issue in her parliamentary career, but it does appear that whoever is on those benches forgets conveniently everything that they said when they were on these benches. The Leader will recall a former Labour Shadow Leader of the House. They said that Parliament must be told first they are not irrelevant. That is a warning to the current Labour government. Is the government experiencing a case of acute amnesia or do they believe that it is now their turn to treat members of this house with contempt?

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I disagree with his analysis there. I have made absolutely clear this government has made 145 statements in 133 sitting days. That statements in 133 sitting days. That is more than one a day. The vast majority of those statements have majority of those statements have been made by Secretary of State. -- Secretaries of state. It's not Secretaries of state. It's not something we saw under the previous comment. And did, from many, many months, I and others were calling for the Foreign Secretary to come for the Foreign Secretary to come and announce questions of the house, something that the previous government blocked from happening, government blocked from happening, because it was in the other place.

We have answered -- we have laid We have answered -- we have laid written statements and answered thousands more Parliamentary

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Graeme Downie MP (Dunfermline and Dollar, Labour)

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thousands more Parliamentary questions in this session. I take very seriously our duty to lay ourselves open for transparency, scrutiny and openness with this house and will continue to strive, for ever increasing respect and standards and that regard. standards and that regard.

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Rt Hon Lucy Powell MP, Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons (Manchester Central, Labour )

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I should begin that by seeing as the member for Dunfermline and Dollar, I see the importance of transparency. After all, it was transparency. After all, it was where the famous campervan was. We heard from the S&P. Does she agree with me that it is scandalous to with me that it is scandalous to bring this up today. It took Freedom of information request to find out more information about the former more information about the former First Minister meeting with Turkey to discuss among other things Scottish trade?

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Rt Hon Sir Jeremy Wright KC MP (Kenilworth and Southam, Conservative)

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I think it would be fair to say that this is not the first government to have disregarded this particular provision of the ministerial code. Can I put this to the Leader of the House? If the charge is that the government for its own calculated and tactical advantage has breached the ministerial code announcing something outside this chamber, surely the person determining that breach has occurred cannot be the leader of that government? Isn't it time to look again at the recommendations made by among others the committee on standards in public life, of which I was once a member, that the decision maker as to whether the ministerial code is breached, should be the independent adviser on ministerial interests and not the Prime Minister?

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You will know that the independent adviser on the independent adviser on the ministerial code appointed by the previous government was reappointed by this government, and their powers by this government, and their powers strengthened so they can initiate enquiries. Those enquiries don't need to be initiated by the Prime need to be initiated by the Prime Minister. We are raising standards when it comes to members of Parliament, when it comes to ministers as well. We are holding ourselves accountable to those much higher standards than actually happened under the previous happened under the previous government.

I would just like to reiterate for the house that the

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Shaun Davies MP (Telford, Labour)

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ministerial code does say when Parliament is in session the most important announcements of government policy should be made in the first instance to Parliament. There are times when Parliament is There are times when Parliament is not in session and those announcements are then brought to announcements are then brought to

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Rt Hon Lucy Powell MP, Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons (Manchester Central, Labour )

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New members of the House have noticed that almost every single day the parliament sits there as a statement from the Government alongside and causing quite rightly asking urgent questions. Other leader of the ask Modernisation Committee to look at further ways in which we can scrutinise the work of the Government? Without slowing down the delivery which is what we need to do.

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Well, he makes a good point about the balance of business in the day. the balance of business in the day. We are bringing forward a number of key pieces of legislation. I know members from across the House will

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Dr Luke Evans MP (Hinckley and Bosworth, Conservative)

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members from across the House will have ample time to scrutinise that legislation, and obviously statements and urgent questions printed on that day often in to that time as well. That is the balance that needs to be struck. The Modernisation Committee is actually looking at these issues at the moment. How we can make the best use of parliamentary time to ensure that Government is adequately scrutinised and accountable and that backbenchers really have the chance to do that everyday of the week.

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Rt Hon Lucy Powell MP, Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons (Manchester Central, Labour )

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I was here on Thursday, actually the responding shadow minister for the debate which was actually pulled forward because of the delay in the statement when it came to the trade deal. We were waiting almost one hour for that gap. Can you confirm there was no pressure from Donald Trump to make sure that was made because it is repeatedly when the House is suiting all day on Thursday, in fact many members had to change their travel plans or change the way their meetings were happening to respond to the debates because it was changed, purely for a press conference to happen first for it came to this chamber, so she can

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read rule out the pressure from the Prime Minister or Donald Trump on this occasion? Absolutely can rule that out. As

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Absolutely can rule that out. As I said earlier, the emerging I said earlier, the emerging agreement on a very important US trade deal, UK US trade deal, was trade deal, UK US trade deal, was emerging. Has been very fast-moving. Those things were changing, even indeed throughout that and the timing. The announcement itself, the timing. The announcement itself, the agreement itself is not actually agreed until the announcement itself agreed until the announcement itself was made and we were trying to balance that throughout the day which is why it was made clear to the House earlier in the day that the House earlier in the day that there would be a statement that it was able to happen and the trade minister came to this House as soon as possible and actually we were

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Jim Allister KC MP (North Antrim, Traditional Unionist Voice)

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as possible and actually we were mindful of the fact that in the debate he was talking about on the backbench debate there were many people in the gallery for that debate as well. We were trying to not disrupt the business of the House that day, but sometimes these big global events happen and the people in charge of those global events are not actually considering the sitting hours or the well-being of Members of Parliament in this House. It was not the Prime Minister's timing in that sense.

Minister's timing in that sense.

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Rt Hon Lucy Powell MP, Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons (Manchester Central, Labour )

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Is the ministerial code binding? Or is it optional? Or is it very Or is it optional? Or is it very merely aspirational? And judging by the blatant disregard of what the code says in regard of the statements, can the House have confidence that Ministers adhere diligently to the other requirements under the code?

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The ministerial code is a code by which Ministers are subject to. And that ministerial code is both something that the Prime Minister

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Harriet Cross MP (Gordon and Buchan, Conservative)

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something that the Prime Minister judges Ministers by, but also, as I have said earlier, the independent adviser on the ministerial code now has new powers given to him by this Prime Minister to instigate their own inquiries on the ministerial code. And I would just, again, reiterate what the ministerial code says in this regard that when Parliament is in session, the most important announcement of Government policy should be made in the first instance to Parliament. And there are many ways in which that can be done, other than just through oral statements on the floor of the House.

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Rt Hon Lucy Powell MP, Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons (Manchester Central, Labour )

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Thank you. In early November, the Secretary of State for Education was asked in this chamber by Mr Speaker to start a leak inquiry. To find out how the announcement about the tuition fees were going to be raised was released to the press, rather than in this House. That was November and we are now in mid May, so can the Leader of the House please update us as to when this

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inquiry will report and if the report has progressed? Well, the Secretary of State for Education made absolutely clear, I think to the floor of this House, then and on subsequent occasions,

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Dave Doogan MP (Angus and Perthshire Glens, Scottish National Party)

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then and on subsequent occasions, her fury that that announcement, or elements of that announcement, were leaked moments before she stood at the Dispatch Box for a very important announcement to this House. Which has been hitherto completely under wraps and no one had sight of it and that happened moments before she came to this House. And I know she has spoken to Mr Speaker about that subsequently, and I will ensure that any findings of that investigation are reported

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We have seen the content that the Government holds for pensioners and Government holds for pensioners and the disabled with. The contempt that they hold Scotland's energy centre, creators with. These are all creators with. These are all functions of policy. These are discretionary. And therefore, for better or worse, usually worse, legitimate. It is not discretion to adhere to the ministerial code. And it is, Frankie, if I can be honest,

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Rt Hon Lucy Powell MP, Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons (Manchester Central, Labour )

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it is, Frankie, if I can be honest, a little beneath the Leader of the House to see that we do not announce it to Parliament first every time. But we do some of the time. And sometimes the House is not sitting, despite every example being presented today to her when the House was sitting. So, when will she really, to the Government, to the Prime Minister, the severe annoyance of the members of this House at the repeated inaction of the Government on this? And can I advise her for her own information that contrary to the Scottish cross sitting in the row behind us, there is no such duty on Scottish Ministers of that which is set out in 9.1 of the ministerial code.

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As I have mentioned, we take the ministerial code incredibly ministerial code incredibly seriously. We take respecting this House and Parliament incredibly House and Parliament incredibly seriously. We have driven standards in this regard. Standards that were, as I have already said, woefully not as I have already said, woefully not upheld by the previous Government who disregarded Parliament time who disregarded Parliament time after time stock can that improve? Can we do better? Of course we can.

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Iqbal Mohamed MP (Dewsbury and Batley, Independent)

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Can we do better? Of course we can. And we do our very best to do that. And I will also just remind the House there have been many statements to the House, brought to this House first, when, as I say, actually the criticism I got them from many colleagues was that they were not able to properly consider those issues before then questioning the Minister. That is something we have also needed to get right in that context. But we are doing our very best and we will continue to drive these examples.

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Thank you. I would like to thank my honourable friend for this Urgent Question. The people of Britain have lost faith in politics and

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Rt Hon Lucy Powell MP, Lord President of the Council and Leader of the House of Commons (Manchester Central, Labour )

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politicians. And it is really important that what we do in this place since new Labour Government came to power and from this day forward aims to rebuild that trust. And the question I have is what reassurance will she give to meet the members of this House and our electorate that the Government will not deliberately or knowingly reach

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Well, as I have said, I am committed and determined that this House of Commons remains and becomes House of Commons remains and becomes and continues to be the crucible of and continues to be the crucible of national debate. Showing itself to be operating at the highest standards with the best behaviour, looking at some of those issues in the Modernisation Committee. Ensuring that independent members like himself and smaller parties have their voice in this House. I think that this House has shown think that this House has shown itself, at times, to be all of those things and taking steps to raise things and taking steps to raise standards by also taking action and standards by also taking action and those misbehaving not on the estate

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Ministerial Statement: Government Response to the Infected Blood Inquiry

those misbehaving not on the estate and action is taking against them as well and I will continue to do that and I hope that he and other smaller parties across this House will join parties across this House will join us in taking those steps to ensure that we have the best behaviour, the highest standards, but also this House is able to hold the Government House is able to hold the Government to account and be the crucible of to account and be the crucible of national debate that we all want it to be.

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That concludes the Urgent Question, and we will now move on to give their house a few moments to give their house a few moments to settle. Nick Thomas Simpson.

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Thank you. I am grateful to the opportunity on the government's work to respond to the recommendations made in the effective blood inquiries on 20 May, 2024. On that day, the then Prime Minister issued an apology on behalf of the state an apology on behalf of the state for the devastating impact for the use of infected blood and infected products having on-campus lives, an apology that was issued by the current Prime Minister then on the opposition bench.

I once again reiterate that apology reiterate that apology wholeheartedly today. No member in this House will be in any doubt of this House will be in any doubt of the harm resulting from this. The Government is for that we must Government is for that we must listen to the community and the inquiry and make tangible changes to inquiry and make tangible changes to the way our institutions conduct themselves. However, as the inquiries were made clear, and inquiries were made clear, and apology is only meaningful if it is accompanied by action.

I am here today to settle the actions we are taking respond to the inquiries recommendations. I would also like to acknowledge that last week the inquiry held further hearings about the timeliness and adequacy of the government's response on compensation. I intended to give evidence along with members of the community impacted by this scandal and I encourage all members to listen to the incredibly moving testimony of those impacted. The inquiry has centred their intention to publish a further report and the Government remains committed to cooperate with the inquiry and act on its recommendations.

On 17 December act on its recommendations. On 17 December 2024, the Government published its initial response to the inquiries recommendations. I laden accompanying written statement where I committed to come before the House with a comprehensive update on our response to each of the inquiries recommendations we have heard here and the inquiries are bought. The statement fulfils that commitment and I am grateful for the engagement of all members across the House and pleased to have the opportunity to discuss the programs today.

I would like to, again, thank Sir Brian and his team. The recommendations he made wide- ranging, well considered and detailed. The covenant has worked closely with the devolved Governments to make progress, implementing those recommendations, which we hope will lead to meaningful change. I am grateful to the ministerial colleagues for their cooperation, in particular my honourable friend in the Department for health and. The Parliamentary for public health prevention for her leadership on the recommendations for which her department is responsible.

I would also like to thank the health Ministers in the devolved Governments, the Minister for Public health and Jenny in Scotland, Jeremy miles in Wales, the Cabinet secretary of Health and Social Care Committee and the Minister of health Mike Nesbitt in Northern Ireland. Their engagement has been invaluable in ensuring how this unified and approach as possible across the United Kingdom and the Government will continue to engage closely with the Government on the support for advocacy charities and implementation in relation to the NHS.

I recognise that for many communities the Government actions are coming after decades in the past. And there is nothing that could quite damage the inaction by multiple previous Governments and it is not my intention for this statement to diminish that. My priority now to ensure that scandals such as infected and many others cannot happen again. And while I turn now to the recommendations in this House, alongside this statement I have published an accompanying pavement on guv.uk setting out in detail the Government response to each of the recommendations.

I will place a copy in the libraries of the House. Equally, I am firm in the importance of these recommendations to be affected by the inquiry and writing today to community representatives to inform them of the publication response. The UK and devolved Governments have accepted the inquiries recommendations and implementation is away across the Government arms bodies and healthcare settings. Where recommendations are accepted in principle we have sought to explain rationale for doing so, balancing agreement of the spirit of the implementation and some are subject I have noted some of the recommendations that have drawn attention across the house in previous debates so will take a moment to touch on those.

Firstly, on compensation. I'm grateful to those who attended previous debates on this in the house and indeed many are here today. The Infected Blood Compensation Authority delivered on the government's commitment to provide the first full compensation payments by the end of last year. It publishes its data regarding compensation on a monthly basis. As of 6 May, these payments totalled over 4 million. I'm also pleased to announce today that the interim chairs who developed fatal work to inform the design of the position scheme and has overseen delivery of the scheme to this point will continue in that role of interim chair for a further 15 months.

Another recommendation that has been of particular interest to Honourable and right Honourable members is recommendation number 10 regarding funding for advocacy services. And please that my Honourable friend wrote to charities confirming that £500,000 with the funding has been made available for this financial year to ensure that the vital work these charities do in relation to to patient advocacy assisting. The government also recognises the importance of recommendation five on ending the defence of culture in Civil Service.

It's imperative we get this right so the public can put their trust in institutions, which have let down does not -- not just the infected community but others. The per ministers committed to legislation on a duty of candour and has confirmed that duty will apply to public authorities and public servants and include criminal sanctions. We are consulting on this issue and working to draft the best, most effective version of Hillsborough law as part of wider efforts to improve public services. In conclusion, the enquiry's final recommendation relates to giving effect their accommodations it's effect their accommodations it's made.

I am only two away. A lot more needs to be done and as I made clear to the enquiry in my evidence last week, I am open to considering how we can improve the government's actions to ensure we deliver justice for victims in this devastating scandal. As progress continues to be made, my colleagues and I will report on the recommendations where we are responsible. Were committed to transparency and accountability and we will publish the government's progress via publicly accessible dashboard in due course which will be regularly updated as progress is made.

The victims of this scandal have suffered immeasurably. I pay tribute to the infected blood committee once again. I pay tribute to their courage, perseverance and determination to demand justice for the wrongs that have been done to the. I hope this update provides them with some reassurance that we are learning and acting on the mistakes of the past and where there is more to do, this government will do it. I commend this statement to the house. the house.

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I called the shadow minister.

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Thank you. I thank the Minister for his statement. The infected but for his statement. The infected but scandal is one of the -- infected blood scandal is one of the recent blood scandal is one of the recent blood scandal is one of the recent -- biggest failure is. Next week, it will be the first anniversary of the enquiry's report. I'm grateful to enquiry's report. I'm grateful to the team who worked on the report.

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Mike Wood MP (Kingswinford and South Staffordshire, Conservative)

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On 21 May last year, my right honourable friend stood at the dispatch box and made clear his determination to act on the enquiry's report. I pay tribute to his work and thank him for the advice and support he has given to me in the shadow cabinet office team on this issue since the election. I'm pleased that the Paymaster general picked up from where his predecessor left off. As I have said before, both sides of the house speak as one on this issue.

Sadly, nothing that we or the government can do will undo the terrible damage caused by this kind of. No amount of money will bring back those who have been lost. No amount of lessons learned can make up for the suffering of those who contracted serious illnesses because of contaminated blood. But we would not only be failing in our duty but also failing all of those who have died and all of those who continue to live with life changing conditions if we do not take up this battle on their behalf.

And to do this, we must directly address the profound distress, anger and fear that is being expressed by victims and their families at the pace of the full compensation scheme's rollout. Victims of -- victims have referred me to the weight as torture and disgraceful -- wait. The gravity of those concerns has been underscored. Whilst we support this decision, we need to make sure it does not delay proper compensation for those who have already lost so much.

We know that with every week and month that passes, more infected and affected individuals will sadly by -- die before receiving the final compensation. This is the human cost of delay. Whilst the competition authority was set up to be independent of government and operational matters, I ask the Minister whether he is content with the current pace of delivery? If not, what he and the government are doing to help David Foley and his team to speed up payouts to dying victims? Turning to other recommendations, on recommendation six on monitoring liver damage for people who are infected with hepatitis C, could I ask the Paymaster general what progress has been made on this recommendation within the National Health Service? And on recommendation eight, finding the undiagnosed, what action has been taken to ensure that patients who had transfusions between 1996 are offered a blood test for hepatitis C? Can the Paymaster General update the house on how many such tests have so far been carried out, and what assessment he has made of the additional infected and affected patients who may now be eligible for compensation? The journey to rebuild trust with victims and their families will be long and requires not only words of apology and commitment but crucially demonstrable action that proves that demonstrable action that proves that the government and indeed this house the government and indeed this house are listening and responding.

The acknowledgement that the current compensation scheme has not yet won the trust and confidence of the the trust and confidence of the community is a start. I hope the government will continue to take these concerns seriously to put in place robust changes that are place robust changes that are necessary and we will support them and that work. and that work.

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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The Paymaster General. Point of order will come after. Paymaster I'm reassured, I think I can anticipate the honourable gentleman 's point. Could I just say, first of all, to the Shadow Minister that I do think the cross-party approach we have had has been very important. The approach, as the honourable gentleman knows, I took with the previous Paymaster general. I should also say to the honourable gentleman who asked about pace and delivery, absolutely not, I am restless with anticipation.

He asked me about what we will do about the pace of compensation going forward. It car -- the authority has taken an approach and there will be an increase in payments. I will be holding it to account. Secondly, I also stand ready to assist the authority in whatever way I can. On the issue of the monitoring of liver damage, will be a new surveillance registry that will be set up. On the point he is asking about the test prior to 1996, further detail I will ask my honourable friend who sat here to write to the shadow minister with the precise figures on that.

with the precise figures on that. Overall, we all want to see the pace of payments speed up and that's exactly what I'm seeking to do.

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Judith Cummins MP (Bradford South, Labour)

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Before I call any member, I would just like to say that we have looked at Gregory Stafford's point regarding the statement. I understand the Department have now understand the Department have now understand the Department have now sent statements to the office and these are currently being printed and will be with us very, very shortly. Ensure the Minister will be shortly. Ensure the Minister will be looking into this as we -- as he will have heard. Ensure he is as will have heard.

Ensure he is as dissatisfied with the situation as the house. I now call Andrew Cooper. the house. I now call Andrew Cooper.

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Andrew Cooper MP (Mid Cheshire, Labour)

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Thank you. I met with two of my constituents who have been sadly affected by this scandal and attended the hearings last week. They told me what an emotional day it was. Almost like a family reunion in some ways. But the immense frustration and still having to fight in their long fight to justice remains. They told me again they feel the payments are happening too slowly and it is still unclear what slowly and it is still unclear what evidence they will need to provide to support their claim.

Now, I welcome the government has identified 11.8 billion to pay identified 11.8 billion to pay compensation. This has been properly budgeted for for the first time. I'm sure my honourable friend will agree sure my honourable friend will agree with me that the challenge now is to ensure that trust is built and maintained as we complete this process. Could you possibly tell the process. Could you possibly tell the House what he can do to ensure that the evidential requirements are clear to families to allow them to prepare for being contacted, and prepare for being contacted, and that payments are accelerated and justice is delivered to everybody affected by this appalling scandal?

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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Paymaster General. extremely moving and he will be aware of the evidence that I gave to the enquiry last week. The point he has made about evidence is actually has made about evidence is actually a really important point because in regard to evidence, we know first of all that so much happened a long time ago, so evidence is difficult to source. Secondly, Sir Brian to source. Secondly, Sir Brian Langstaff's enquiry, there is also document structure. For those two reasons in particular, it is reasons in particular, it is essential that the authority takes a sympathetic, enabling view to the evidence that is required and has caseworkers assisting victims in terms of speeding things up.

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Sarah Olney MP (Richmond Park, Liberal Democrat)

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Thank you very much. I'd like to thank the Paymaster General for his statement. The infected blood scandal is a harrowing story. These people have been filled not only by medical professionals in the NHS who should have been responsible for the safety of the treatment and by a series of governments who should have prevented such horror from ever taking place. As the Minister knows, I welcome the introduction of the Infected Blood Compensation Scheme. The government was right to introduce the scheme at the start of Parliament and I'm glad to hear the Minister say the affected but in position authority are scaling up the operation.

However, we are alarmed that the right of the scheme has been far too slow, leaving victims without justice they deserve. Victims have been waiting for decades for recognition of the suffering they endured. So far, only 506 people have received payment from the authority. Compensation payout are not due to conclude until 2029. This would rely on a rapid increase in the current rate of payments. We are deeply concerned by the speed with which victims are receiving the compensation. To echo the words of Brian Langstaff, people infected and affected do not have time on their side.

To that end and to provide confidence to victims and their families, I ask the Minister to clarify what deadline he has for the implementation of the enquiry's recommendations. What steps is he taking to increase the speed with which payments are being made question can he confirm when all victims can expect to receive their long overdue compensation? Also, what more can be done to help those who need to provide proof of infection whether medical records have been destroyed? -- were their medical records have been destroyed.

Supporting the work of these vital Supporting the work of these vital organisations and engaging with them to understand exactly the needs of to understand exactly the needs of And I am glad to hear the public's And I am glad to hear the public's sentiments with regards to section 5 sentiments with regards to section 5 but I ask when the Government will bring proposals to this effect forward so that such a scandal is never repeated and can you clarify why there has been a delay given the why there has been a delay given the relevant run legislation was meant to be published initially in April.

Thank you. Thank you.

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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First of all, with regard to the current position for approximate just over 96 million has been paid and they have invited 677 claimant to begin process, just to be clear the date of 2029, it is correct to say that there is what I regard as backstop dates, 2027 for the infected and 2029 for the affected and that is what they are, backstop. They are not the targets. The target is to make these payments as soon as possible.

The honourable lady also raises evidence which I dealt with in response to my honourable friend, the kind of situation to which the the kind of situation to which the honourable lady has referred you have medical evidence that for whatever reason has been destroyed is precisely the kind of situation is precisely the kind of situation we would expect them to take a sympathetic approach on the issue of the duty of candour that Government remains committed to bringing about remains committed to bringing about the duty of candour legislation.

It is important that we get it right is important that we get it right and that we ensure the legislation will actually achieve shared objectives that I am sure the whole objectives that I am sure the whole house would have, and by trying to prevent these types of scandals from happening again we have to ensure happening again we have to ensure there are no unintended consequences, just to get that right we are taking the more time. we are taking the more time.

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Ian Lavery MP (Blyth and Ashington, Labour)

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Thank you. I have had Constant Contact with the community and thanks very much for bringing this statement to the House today. But the steel fury is frustrated in equal measure at the lack of progress from the claims being processed. And I speak to you as an individual haemophilia, one of the individuals children who normally was used for research they asked the question why is it that he was used in an experiment and is likely to get less in terms of compensation, or perhaps a drunken driver who or perhaps a drunken driver who crashed his car and needed a transfusion, I think that is fair and he also asked if members of this House understood the stress, the House understood the stress, the mental torment that individuals are going through, we close the play to going through, we close the play to see whether one of the lucky hundred are there to be processed the following day.

I think they have got fair points, but thanks very much for everything my right honourable friend. Does he think these issues are fair?

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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My honourable friend is a very powerful advocate and has been to the process for the victims with regard to the specific circumstances regard to the specific circumstances my honourable friend is referring to, if this is abroad based tariff to, if this is abroad based tariff scheme it is absolutely vital that individuals suffering and circumstances are reflected in the awards that are made and to his awards that are made and to his latter went about I know the agony that victims are still going through in terms of waiting, I know he in terms of waiting, I know he shares my desire to really push forward with these payments as quickly as possible.

quickly as possible.

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Rt Hon Sir Jeremy Hunt MP (Godalming and Ash, Conservative)

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Thank you. Can I start by commending the approach the Paymaster General is taking? I know that he is totally sincere about getting justice for this and really trying his best, but I think he also knows in his heart of hearts that the system that is being put in place is not working. And I also have constituents like Sue Collins but others as well who are asking why it is that end March had only published 250/4000, people who are known to us in previous payment known to us in previous payment schemes.

I think even more worrying is the fact that they are saying that they're aiming to process a that they're aiming to process a majority, that could be just 51%, by the end of 2027. Does he not agree the end of 2027. Does he not agree that the right target is to commit that the right target is to commit to processing the vast majority, 90%, let's say, by the end of this 90%, let's say, by the end of this year. That is really what need to happen because two people are dying every single week and justice every single week and justice delayed really is justice denied.

delayed really is justice denied.

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Mr Alex Barros-Curtis MP (Cardiff West, Labour)

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Just festival to the right honourable gentleman for the work that I know he did on this matter when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer. To his point around first of all those infected people who are known already because they are registered to schemes. He is clearly right to identify that in terms of prioritisation and what is known. What I said last week to environment changes to the scheme that I am open to changes that do not in themselves, because further delay.

That is the approach that I took and the only approach I bring to the House today.

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Thank you very much. I want to start by thanking my right honourable friend for the statement of the update and I know that of the update and I know that sincerity with which he wants to deliver this is one of many examples of failures by the state that we of failures by the state that we absolutely have to correct and as has been said on both sides of the House and has been said to me by constituents, speeding the delivery

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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constituents, speeding the delivery to infected and affected individuals is of paramount importance, so I wonder if he could see a bit about the conversations he is having with the devolved nations, particularly in Wales but with multiple nations in order to bring efficacy to the recommendations and also if he might have any advice he could offer to my constituent muscles and Morgan, who very recently visited my surgery stop her mother died due to infected blood and as her mother was not registered with the infected blood scheme and the organisation scheme she is not eligible for any compensation, so I wonder if they could perhaps meet with me to discuss that case.

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On the latter point, I should just say to my honourable friend, just say to my honourable friend, obviously my thoughts are with Suzanne. And although with respect of Suzanne's mother, the of Suzanne's mother, the registration deadline for the infected blood support scheme has

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Rt Hon Damian Hinds MP (East Hampshire, Conservative)

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infected blood support scheme has passed. That does not mean she is not entitled to compensation, so there would be an entitlement to compensation. With regard to the wider point about the whole United Kingdom, one of the issues, I am she were that Honourable Members will appreciate is that those awful days when this infected blood and infected blood products were being imported when the pre-devolution age, but of course many of the recommendations now require things to be implemented across the NHS to be implemented across the NHS which, of course, are devolved.

The which, of course, are devolved. The other thing I would give to the houses I would continue to work closely with the Ministers of the devolved administrations to get that equity that my honourable friend was equity that my honourable friend was talking about in terms of the recommendations across the UK.

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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Thank you. And, clearly, to get to a good and timely operation of this is going to take the Paymaster General's personal attention and I know he will give it that attention because of his dedication to getting this right. Could he also given update to the House today on the anticipated memorial dedicated specifically to the children who

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were infected at four laws? Yes, I would say to the right honourable gentleman he is absolutely right that we have both a

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Alice Macdonald MP (Norwich North, Labour )

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absolutely right that we have both a national memorial and indeed a memorial dedicated specifically to children who have suffered so much at laws. And they both recognise what has happened and also ensure they would be remembered for future generations as well. The Government is following the recommendation that a steering committee be fought to decide what are provided with consideration being given as well to memorials in Northern Ireland, Wales, and in Scotland. And the membership of the steering committee will reflect the experiences of all routes of transmission, those routes of transmission, those infected, those affected, and also I think usually, representatives for the U.K.'s administrations.

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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Thank you very much and I thank the Minister for his statement and I fully agree with the need for urgency that has been reiterated by sides of the House. I have spoken to him and if you're frustrated and also what distresses the term are under stress on them is immense, so could the Minister provide more detail on how individuals are being kept updated on the progress of their own individual claims and also what support is being provided in terms of dedicated caseworkers to address the cases?

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So, firstly, it Publishes a

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So, firstly, it Publishes a regular monthly newspaper, newsletter, with obviously data of

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Rt Hon Sir Julian Lewis MP (New Forest East, Conservative)

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newsletter, with obviously data of the payments that are being made. Secondly, in terms of support, I think firstly the money that the Government has announced four charities that provided vital patient advocacy is hugely important. But I would also say to my honourable friend that I have also in respect of those making

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claims and that support also. Juliette Lewis.

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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Juliette Lewis. The Minister referred briefly to something called a duty of candour. Which will try to avoid a repetition of what was described as a defensive culture in the civil service. Can he expand on this phenomenon a bit? It is quite extraordinary, is it not, that when people in all innocence were infected with lethal diseases by the NHS, that civil servants should have gathered round to deny them the help and the compensation them the help and the compensation that needed? Should they need some sort of sanction to be involved? Is anyone going to be held to account for this? Because otherwise it will

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happen again, wanted? To the honourable gentleman's point about criminal sanctions I stand ready to provide whatever evidence would be requested of the Cabinet office and indeed across Government to those investigations, but to his point on the duty of

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Mr Jonathan Brash MP (Hartlepool, Labour)

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but to his point on the duty of candour, what they said was that there was not an explicit conspiracy. There was a culture of institutional offences whereby individual public servants put personal reputation and institutional reputation above the public good. As I sensed earlier in response to the honourable lady from Richmond Park, the Government will bring forward legislation and a duty of candour, but it is not just about legislation, landmark though it is. It is also about leadership, cross public service, and the culture that can be very important in the years ahead also.

15:13

Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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Thank you. Can I thank the general for his statement and his correspondence on this issue on behalf of my constituent Alex Robinson. Alex lost her father in 2006 to the scanner, having already lost her mother as a child. She was her father's carer from the age of 13. She is concerned that when a deceased victim leaves no spouse or partner, the estate is not entitled to the same compensation, irrespective of the role any member of that state may have played in the victims life.

Does the Minister agree that there are exceptional and unique cases like Alex's that need to be looked at differently? And would meet with me to explore how to ensure that this happens.

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Pete Wishart MP (Perth and Kinross-shire, Scottish National Party)

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Firstly, I think the whole house and the thoughts of the whole house would be with his constituent Alex at the loss of her parents. In respect of the point about carers, carers are archly eligible for compensation on the scheme, but if he is willing to write to me I would be more than happy to have an individual discussion on the correspondence on that case.

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Last year's report looked ghastly

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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and was quite disturbing and one discrepancy pointed out to me and that was about partners and their loved one died before 31 March or not and part as of those would die before 31 March and could have up to 75% of the payment, whereas newly relieved partners are no longer able to register for the support payment. These are people who are often forced to give up their career. We were totally dependent on these payments. With the Minister now commit to rectify this unfairness so that nobody's partner is left out

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Just to be clear about this, the cut-off date is about registration and support schemes. It is not a and support schemes. It is not a code of data for entitlement to compensation. Now, I have said when

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James Naish MP (Rushcliffe, Labour)

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compensation. Now, I have said when issues around this were raised to me in the inquiry last week that if there was a particular issue around a gap in payment between cessation of payment and when compensation might be received, of course I was willing to go away and look at it and I course do that. The test that I apply is whether or not we are pushing the scheme forward. We have to ensure is that we do not do things that would cause even further delay.

delay.

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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Thank you. One of the first pieces of correspondence that I received as a new MP on 10 July last year was from my constituent Robert Dickie who passionately told me about his brother who died from AIDS and hepatitis C after being infected with contaminated blood products, so I welcome this update today. The Government recently announced that it has allocated funding for charities which is a recommendation charities which is a recommendation from the inquiry. Can the Minister outline what steps he is taking with the Department of Health and Social Care to make sure that the funding Care to make sure that the funding gets to those charities?

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Liz Jarvis MP (Eastleigh, Liberal Democrat)

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My honourable friend raises a really important point, the charity is a great important job in supporting patient and advocacy. I know that there have been meetings already with officials. My honourable friend can be assured that I and working with them on the that I and working with them on the despatch boxes ensure that money despatch boxes ensure that money

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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My constituent has had to live with HIV and hepatitis C since been -- since been given infected blood. His health is deteriorating and he might not live to see the compensation. Can the Minister offer any reassurance that they will be

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invited to claim compensation this year? Obviously, the way that the

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Tom Collins MP (Worcester, Labour)

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Obviously, the way that the authority is set up is that it is operationally independent. I respect operationally independent. I respect the independence. It was indicated in answer to the previous question, and she has raised a number of times before his case. I stand ready to first of all hold the authority to account but I stand ready to give support as required to ensure that we are moving forward, quickening we are moving forward, quickening

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the pace after the test that have been used. Families and was to have spent

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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Families and was to have spent years navigating decades of delays that were handed down by the very that were handed down by the very systems intended to support them. I welcome this statement and ambition to deliver justice to those infected and affected. The changes at the end and affected. The changes at the end of March relating to those who lost spaces... They are concerned that the delay will be extended to them more so than others. Can the Minister assure us that they will not be waiting years and years for support payments? support payments?

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Rt Hon Kit Malthouse MP (North West Hampshire, Conservative)

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My friend raises an important

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My friend raises an important point. The deadline is not a deadline to be able to claim compensation. Is a deadline for compensation. Is a deadline for being able to apply for support. As I indicated in the previous answer, I indicated in the previous answer, if there's going to be injustice that arises, I will look at that.

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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that arises, I will look at that. As a number of members have said today, speed is of the essence. When today, speed is of the essence. When I hear him say there is a backstop date, would it be possible for individual applicants to have a target landing date on which they will be contacted or where the authority will contact them so that expectations are managed and people can think about their affairs in due course? The second thing is can he say hand on heart that the authority has enough resources? If they had twice as many people they not move

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twice as fast? In relation to his first question, I'm sure he will question, I'm sure he will understand that I'm respecting the understand that I'm respecting the operational independence. As I indicated in previous questions, I stand ready to help to push this stand ready to help to push this forward. Secondly, absolutely, there are adequate resources here. We have

15:20

Mark Sewards MP (Leeds South West and Morley, Labour)

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are adequate resources here. We have allocated £11.8 billion to this scheme. I stand ready. The example he has used, which is the number of caseworkers, I stand ready to assist with that.

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I thank the Minister for his statement today and fulfilling an earlier promise to make one. Also, earlier promise to make one. Also, thank him for his correspondence

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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thank him for his correspondence with me. Last week, at the enquiry, I met my constituent, one of the victims of this scandal. Martin has expressed several concerns with me about the pace with which victims have been compensated. That has been echoed across the house today. Can I ask two questions on Martin's to have? 11.8 billion was allocated to the scheme. Could the Minister confirm how much has been paid out so far? The second is can the Minister do to ensure that he uses the powers of his good offices to the powers of his good offices to ensure that as many claims as possible are paid out as fast as they possibly can?

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Ben Lake MP (Ceredigion Preseli, Plaid Cymru)

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I'm grateful to my Honourable friend for raising this. He speaks nobly on behalf of his constituent. £26 million have been paid out. I will continue to use my ministerial office to move from the test stage and into the stage to speed up these payments?

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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Thank the Minister for all the work he is doing to lead on this matter and bring justice to all those victims and indeed for the statement today. I'd also like to ask him if there is an understanding of the victims of the infected but sandal should not be worse off from the transition from the interim payments to the new scheme? I spoke to one victim who seems to have been offered compensation offer that is much reduced to that that he previously received under the special category mechanism.

special category mechanism.

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Gregory Stafford MP (Farnham and Bordon, Conservative)

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I thank the honourable gentleman for that question. Just to say to him, the issue of the special category mechanism, and how that is translated across into what is known as the health supplemental route in relation to infected people, to something I discussed before the enquiry last week. In relation to... I don't know the facts of the specific case he is talking about. If he is willing to talk to me -- write to me about the two different figures in the way in which his constituent feels he is worse of, I will be happy to reply.

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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A partner of Helen, my constituent from Farnham, died in 1994 from infected blood. Helen, unfortunately, now has stage IV ovarian cancer so as not in a great state. She wrote to the chief secretary in August and despite chasing numerous times, took months for him to send a rather unsympathetic response. I know the Minister is keen to speed this up for those infected there are plenty of people who were affected as well whose time is short. Can he commit

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to speeding up the process for them to? The Honourable gentleman makes a very good point. We have people who very good point. We have people who are infected and people who are affected by this scandal and he speaks very powerfully about his speaks very powerfully about his constituent and her particular constituent and her particular circumstances. I'm sure the whole house would be with Helen. I haven't

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Ian Sollom MP (St Neots and Mid Cambridgeshire, Liberal Democrat)

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house would be with Helen. I haven't seen the piece of correspondence that he is talking about but if he wants to write to me directly at the Cabinet office about Helen's particular circumstance, happy to do that. I should also add I expect payments to the affected to begin this year.

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Thank you to the Minister for his update today. Whilst I welcome the update today. Whilst I welcome the progress that has been made on the compensation scheme that he has highlighted, I do have to once again highlighted, I do have to once again highlight the case of my constituent who was infected with hepatitis C during a transplant operation when during a transplant operation when she was 15. She suffered terrible physical and mental illness physical and mental illness throughout most of her life.

The fact she was infected in 1993, and fact she was infected in 1993, and that was after the cut-off date for

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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that was after the cut-off date for the support scheme, means that she has had no formal acknowledgement from the Infected Blood Compensation from the Infected Blood Compensation Authority. No acknowledgement of her suffering, now support payments, no interim payments. Can the Minister formally address the concerns of unregistered infected people from that period from 1991 to 1996 when we know people were still being affected? And can we recognise urgently their suffering and increasing the urgency of their compensation claims?

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Again, I think the thoughts of

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Robbie Moore MP (Keighley and Ilkley, Conservative)

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Again, I think the thoughts of the whole house would be with his constituent. Terrible experience she has had. With regard to the category of victims he is talking about, of victims he is talking about, which are unregistered infected people. He is absolutely right to raise their position. The objective of this compensation scheme is to ensure that every victim, whatever the circumstances, actually receives

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the compensation. I will be forever indebted to

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I will be forever indebted to Clive Smith. My constituent who is Clive Smith. My constituent who is also the president of the Haemophilia Association. He has been a long-standing advocate and voice a long-standing advocate and voice for those victims seeking justice for both being affected and infected. Of course, time is of the infected. Of course, time is of the essence. Many victims still feel disillusioned and that the government is dragging its heels. Whilst the government have accepted publicly that victims will die, as

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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publicly that victims will die, as has been referenced in this chamber, for the get compensation that they are owned, it illustrates that the system is not going fast enough. What reassurance can the Minister provide that compensation will be delivered at speed and that the system will be as simple as possible for those affected and infected to apply for compensation? And also, what reassurance can the Minister provide that they will be kept informed and updated as part of that process?

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Tom Gordon MP (Harrogate and Knaresborough, Liberal Democrat)

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I've met Clive Smith and I pay tribute to the campaign that he has done over many, many years. On updating, I agree with him entirely. It's very important. That's why the authority publishes regular newsletters with updates and statistics. Also identifies the statistic that should give us all pause forethought and that is that a victim of the scandal is dying every day. It shows the impetus and imperative to speed these compensation payments out. I am compensation payments out. I am absolutely committed to do this.

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Rt Hon Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, The Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office (Torfaen, Labour)

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A constituent of mine infected with hepatitis C under the special category mechanism has written expressing their distress for supplementary vacations removing provisions they were previously promised to bring the conversation in line with those. They have been left without recourse through this mechanism. Will the Minister explain why these provisions were changed and what redress is available to approximately 915 people and what steps are being taken to ensure that further reassurances are not breached going forward?

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Tessa Munt MP (Wells and Mendip Hills, Liberal Democrat)

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The issue he raises about the special category mechanism is one I was asked about at the enquiry last week. Assisted with conditions that qualified under specialised category mechanism. I said last week I would look if there were particular issues, which I think is what he is identifying in terms of his constituent. As I said last week, the test I used is ensuring it doesn't cause further delay.

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I'm grateful for the Minister's statement but I would also like to identify that gaping hole of identify that gaping hole of compensation scheme in relation to compensation scheme in relation to the special category mechanism. I would like to point out that some of my constituents are in very poor my constituents are in very poor health and therefore their life may well be limited timewise. They are well be limited timewise. They are yet to receive compensation. They yet to receive compensation.

They will receive less compensation than someone who is in the stage I and is relatively healthy. The compensation relatively healthy. The compensation scheme has said that the infected scheme has said that the infected should be compensated, that the Infected Blood Inquiry said the same thing in the government's own expert group said it in August in the group said it in August in the government's own expert group said it in August 2024. They also said it in August 2024. They also said they must have compensation.

I invite the Paymaster General to meet with me. It would have to be online. And with my infected constituents to explain. This gentleman is so ill and suffering dreadfully and he seems to have been excluded from a fair compensation. Thank you. fair compensation. Thank you.

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Rt Hon Jeremy Corbyn MP (Islington North, Independent)

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I think the honourable lady quite rightly raises the issue. With regard to the case is talking about, I would be very grateful if the honourable lady were able to write to me in the first instance with all the details of that case so I can look at the very specific issue that she is talking about. And more than happy to do that. If she could write to me, I will ensure she gets a reply as soon as possible.

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Jeremy Corbyn. I have given notice to the speakers office and to the honourable member for Ashfield. I'm honourable member for Ashfield. I'm referring to column 95 of Hansard of Monday of Hansard of Monday, 12 May. Monday of Hansard of Monday, 12 May. On an intervention to the Minister on border security and immigration. on border security and immigration. The members claim that more than 600 illegal migrants have entered this country today. I could get a -- they country today.

I could get a -- they could get up to all sorts of mischief, even acts of terrorism. Does she agree that these young men should be immediately deported,

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Judith Cummins MP (Bradford South, Labour)

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should be immediately deported, detained and deported along with the right Honourable member for Islington North? Does she agree with me that this kind of language and innuendo, inaccuracy, is unbecoming of this place, is not fit to be uttered in this building? And members when they speak in Parliament should show respect for each other, rather than risk bringing a whole political process into disrepute? I have no problem with debate but I do think people should not stoop to abuse and fundamental inaccuracies and conjecture as the member of Ashfield

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Kim Johnson MP (Liverpool Riverside, Labour)

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I'm grateful to the honourable member for giving me notice of the point of order. The right honourable member has put the point on the record and I'm not persuaded of anything Parliamentary with regard to the debate. I would remind members that good patients should be the characteristics of Parliamentary debate and I encourage all members

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to act with courtesy. I have given prior notice about

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I have given prior notice about my point of order to the Office of my point of order to the Office of the Speaker. I see guidance to hold the government to account. Yesterday the government to account. Yesterday I intended to table a question about I intended to table a question about Bomber plane and was blocked. I received the following response. The government has blocked questions on the use of military bases. The the use of military bases.

The reason was given as an answer to a similar question tabled by the right honourable member on October 4 with honourable member on October 4 with the Minister responding on October the Minister responding on October 4. Since then, six questions have been tabled regarding to the activities during this time. Four without obstruction and they all received timely answers from the received timely answers from the Minister. Paul would have been ruled out of order and blocked but they were allowed to be tabled.

Given the importance of transparency and importance of transparency and Parliamentary scrutiny, particularly with matters of defence, addresses matters of concern and this should matters of concern and this should not be taken on an ad hoc basis to impede the ability of parliamentarians to scrutinise government decisions. And so can you government decisions. And so can you advise if it is in order for the advise if it is in order for the office to decide to block questions in this way and the recourse members in this way and the recourse members have when there is an attempt to debate policy and activity? debate policy and activity?

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Judith Cummins MP (Bradford South, Labour)

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I thank the honourable member for the point of order and she should raise the matter with the table office in the first instance but I can remain to be Minister For The Armed Forces indicated in response to a written letter that the government would not comment on any military aircraft movement within UK airspace or on overseas bases. It is not the Table Office but the government who has blocked questions on the subject but the questions about activities may nonetheless be in order.

I would advise her to talk to the Table Office who are always happy to help.

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Keir Mather MP (Selby, Labour)

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I would like to say I've given prior notice to the office of the Speaker and the member concerned I intend to raise the point of order. Yesterday the honourable member for Boston and Skegness appeared in his role as the Deputy Leader of Reformed UK and he called into question the future of our local power station and the hundreds of jobs it provides. The honourable member did not inform me he was member did not inform me he was coming to sell BRP intended to use coming to sell BRP intended to use us as a political football for forwarding his party's national forwarding his party's national agenda.

How am I able to prevent this from happening again and how might I relay the message if you want to push his antiworker, anti- jobs, and anti-Yorkshire methods, he jobs, and anti-Yorkshire methods, he can do so from his own constituency across the border.

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Iqbal Mohamed MP (Dewsbury and Batley, Independent)

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remember and feel you to do so is discourteous. This point of order. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.

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Judith Cummins MP (Bradford South, Labour)

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Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Following on from my right honourable friend, the comments made

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Iqbal Mohamed MP (Dewsbury and Batley, Independent)

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honourable friend, the comments made against him were disgusting and

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Judith Cummins MP (Bradford South, Labour)

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against him were disgusting and disrespectful. These words that we use in this place which have direct consequences can impact the security consequences can impact the security of members. Will the deputy speaker advise what steps can be taken to hold members to account for the language that the use in this place language that the use in this place so it is respectful at all times? so it is respectful at all times?

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Presentation of bills

That is not a point of order but he has placed his feelings on the record. We know move to the presentation of bills, Secretary

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Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill. Second reading, what day?

15:38

Ten Minute Rule Motion: Equitable Life Policyholders (Compensation)

15:38

Bob Blackman MP (Harrow East, Conservative)

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Michael Shanks MP, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State (Department for Energy Security and Net Zero) (Rutherglen, Labour)

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Andrew Bowie MP (West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine, Conservative)

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The question is this House agrees with the Lords in the amendment.

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On 25 March this year, the last time we debated amendments to the time we debated amendments to the Great British energy bill, the Great British energy bill, the Minister assured us that the mechanisms were adequate, the Procurement Bill would provide Procurement Bill would provide adequate protections to protect against technology that could have been slave labour being used in the UK. -- Identify. Then we had the incredible sight of Labour MPs going incredible sight of Labour MPs going through the lobbies being whipped to vote against the amendment which would have prevented Great British would have prevented Great British Energy from investing in supply chains.

The offshoring of emissions, chains. The offshoring of emissions, manufacturing base, skilled jobs, that is understood and acknowledged that is understood and acknowledged to be the result of Labour's energy policy. On that day we saw the offshoring of labour's moral compass, their ideological obsession to achieve the unachievable, clean power 2030 at any price and at any cost, delivered through solar panels made with slave labour and coal power in the People's Republic of China. Following that, screeching U-turn, weeks after having whipped their own MPs, the government conceded on what we knew to be the case at the time, that the mechanism cited by the Minister were not up to the job.

Yet we sincerely welcome the acknowledgement that the UK must take a principled stance. While the procurement act and Modern Slavery Act were groundbreaking when produced, it is the case that more needs to be done today to prevent goods tainted by slavery from entering UK supply chains.

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You will know that heaven rejoices when a sinner repented. rejoices when a sinner repented. rejoices when a sinner repented. Does he agree that the hope that the cross-party consensus on the cross-party consensus on the pernicious nurse of modern slavery is restored, so as a House we can face it whenever and wherever it manifests itself?

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manifests itself? I agree with the sentiments of my honourable friend. He is right, the honourable friend. He is right, the honourable friend. He is right, the cross-party consensus in this House over the last decade also on the pernicious nature of modern slavery and the work we must do together to and the work we must do together to drive it out of supply chains, which can be contributing or investing in the UK is something we all believe the UK is something we all believe we have to achieve.

The government have now acknowledged the mechanisms have now acknowledged the mechanisms Were not up to the job. I hope we can revert to the cross-party working on this incredibly important issue. The transition must be just. We have said it before and the Minister has said it many times. There is no justice where there is slave labour in supply chains. We are glad the government has listened to members across the House and in both houses. There is a serious question, what does this mean for the clean power 2030 mission? If the route to decarbonisation relies on important technology made with slave labour from China, surely there should be a rethink of whether or not this mission is conducive to good policy.

We are pleased that the honourable gentleman and the Minister has roared back from the initial position. -- Rolled back. While we welcome the government's change of heart, it would be remiss of me not to reiterate for the record that we as opposition remain opposed to the creation of Great British Energy entirely. It is a company that is not great, not British and not produce any energy. While the Minister often cites my constituency in Aberdeenshire in these debates due to the location of GB Energy's headquarters, can I say that people and businesses in the north-east of Scotland do not want what of government, they want government to get out of the way and let them do what they do best, extracting oil out of the North Sea, rather than this vanity project they should lift the ban on licences.

That should create and save jobs in Aberdeen. I industrial costs are pushing industries overseas, the impact is real for industrial communities and we need to have a real plan if the government gets this. We are grateful for the Minister heeding calls for slave labour provisions to be in this bill. Today we were, small victory in the acceptance of an amendment that seeks to prevent modern slavery in energy supply chains, positive change for the legislation, legislation that should not exist, but positive nonetheless.

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I rise today in strong support of the Lords Amendment and the the Lords Amendment and the consequential amendment from the honourable member for Rotherham. The Liberal Democrats welcome this key Liberal Democrats welcome this key step by the government towards preventing goods linked to Chinese preventing goods linked to Chinese slave labour from being part of all of our renewables businesses in supply chains. This decision took supply chains. This decision took supply chains. This decision took time. And it is born of pressure from members of all political parties and the strength of feeling parties and the strength of feeling from across both houses.

The Great British Energy action needed amending and we thank the government amending and we thank the government for reconsidering. I want to express for reconsidering. I want to express appreciation of Lord Alton's advocacy of this to happen. Together with Lord Hunt of Kings Heath, the bill team and colleagues from across both houses, with important input from the inter-parliamentary from the inter-parliamentary alliance on China, there has been a constructive and cross-party effort to confront an issue too often left in the shadows.

The scourge of modern slavery in our energy supply modern slavery in our energy supply It is the groundbreaking investigative research that has investigative research that has helped to shine a light on what we helped to shine a light on what we have discovered. The BBC, and more, showing us forced labour has been showing us forced labour has been used to produce the solar battery that powers most of the green transition.

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Pippa Heylings MP (South Cambridgeshire, Liberal Democrat)

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Just to reiterate and support what was referred to by the honourable leader, I understand this applies to Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland as well. And the concern was about the slave labour and the Uighur Muslims in particular and from the point of view of the assembly, they were a member and expressed that the legislation was important and so I welcome what the government has put in place and I thank the honourable lady and the

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I thank you for your intervention. We have got to name, for example, the report in broad for example, the report in broad daylight which found the industrial daylight which found the industrial production in the Uighur region was production in the Uighur region was involved and 2.7 million are subjected to forced labour and subjected to forced labour and little re-education camps. We cannot afford it built on the backs of enslaved people. My constituents do not expect solar panels to be made not expect solar panels to be made by child labourers in the DRC or by child labourers in the DRC or enslaved Uighurs in Qin Gang.

I do enslaved Uighurs in Qin Gang. I do not expect the ministers to either and they are right not to. Further, I would like to highlight the amendment from the honourable member from Rotherham and this is about definitions and the really matter and the definition of slippery and how it is interpreted must be clear. The amendment makes it clear the definition includes forced labour, exploitative child labour, abuses of workers rights, dangerous conditions, and it would be good to hear from the Minister from the working groups that we make sure there are no loopholes, grey areas, convenient ignorance and it would have been brought into practice and I want to see in what way it will be brought into practice.

This is progress and not the end but the To quote for Joint Committee on Human Rights which is likely to call for a comprehensive overhaul of the Modern Slavery Act of 2015. It's an opportunity to look seriously at the model set by the US Uighur Labour Prevention Act which report the goods are the product of forced labour unless clear and convincing evidence can be shown. This would shift the burden of proof away from vulnerable victims and firmly on those who would profit, closing the loopholes which have allowed exploitation to continue unchecked and as my colleague noted, it's about international coordination and I would ask the Minister on efforts to update the House efforts to work with efforts to eliminate slavery from all of the chains, not just GB Energy but all companies and Great British Energy has the chance to lead by example on innovation and independence and on moral integrity.

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I am rising because this amendment came out of the work that amendment came out of the work that was done by the Department for China

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Rt Hon Sir Iain Duncan Smith MP (Chingford and Woodford Green, Conservative)

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was done by the Department for China and myself and others were sanctioned by the Chinese government and we worked tirelessly on this and others have done the same and I would say to the honourable gentleman that the problem that we face is that we seem to be attacking this piecemeal and so when the Conservatives were in government, I had been fighting them to get a ban of products made by slave labour in the health service and this was thanks to cross-party involvement and no we have something in the Great British Energy Bill which is where to block modern slavery but the modern-day slavery act needs massively updating in this area because it has no teeth and without the Modern Slavery Act having been beefed up then port we get is piecemeal work from officials and so if we are going to embrace the idea and I know the government was tenuous about the the reality is, at the end of the day, now the object is that we have to make this the case for every product introduced in all government and local government and they are not allowed to involve themselves in modern day slavery.

A huge amount is China but there are other countries and I would say to the honourable gentlemen, the minister, that this is the beginning, not the end, and we have to make sure the lessons are that we to make sure the lessons are that we will be paragons of virtue with modern-day slavery and stand up for those who have no voice because if we buy products made by modern slavery, which undercuts the market, they do not get paid salaries, we destroy the concept of the free market and imprison people with a casual purchase.

There are items around the country that have modern slavery in them with polysilicon and support to be do about what is in existence in the UK? It is a big question and the government has just opened the door and if they want to stand by moral purpose which is what the Labour government claim to be, they must take this forward and say that they will bring it forward and if they do that, they will be right because it seemed that the issue of our time because the cost of product should not outweigh the cost of lives and what has happened in all of this is that we have turned a blind eye for too long to all of this and they must face our responsibilities and America gives us the lead on this and the US currency balance of proof on its head and make sure companies to clear correctly because those companies are assumed to have slave labour in their products and have to prove to the government that the supply chain is clear and they also test it using a company in America, a New Zealand company, and I would offer it to the government now that they have got to test the companies to tell the truth about this.

They have got to test their own product and if they do that then the government can begin to stand up for this one and the Opposition is ready to assist you in all of this and so are all the other parties and, as a are all the other parties and, as a parliament, we can now say that is parliament, we can now say that is it - no more backstabbing and no more pretence. We will fight modern more pretence. We will fight modern slavery forever it exists because it is a tool of aggression to break the free market.

free market.

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Dave Doogan MP (Angus and Perthshire Glens, Scottish National Party)

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This is a red letter day to be in the chamber to discuss something positive with GB Energy and I commend the Minister and his colleagues on that. It is consistent it is a function of a significant U-turn in government policy and I thank the members in this chamber and the other place for making this come to fruition and the amendment says that GB Energy will ensure that there is no material or equipment produced as a function of slave labour used in GB Energy enterprises.

I heard the Minister talk about expectation and striving and its more unequivocal and so I would be grateful if you could reassure the House that assure means to ensure I am consistent with comments from other members, there is a straightforward way to do it. It might not be legislatively or bureaucratically but it's an important issue and if it does not attract a burden of administration to assure consciousness are clear, what can we do? Many of our purchases come with a Certificate of Conformity and so it would be strange for the government to mandate in ensuring there was no slave labour that certificate must be produced for all equipment that would explicitly guarantee the supply chains were free from slave labour and that does not seem to be an especially demanding expectation for electricity consumers on GB Energy or anyone else for that matter and one final point, kindly Minister explain because I'm not saying this with the clarity I suspect he is, or maybe he is not, but in terms of delivering this on the ground in a meaningful way, at what level would GB Energy be involved in the capacity as the decider rather than the provider? Where will they be VAR to scrutinise or see if the purchase is from this provider or that provider? That's provider or that provider? That's not my understanding.

To me, GB Energy has been explained as a de- Energy has been explained as a de- risking device to clear the blockages and inject capital into the market. I would be genuinely the market. I would be genuinely grateful if the Minister could clarify that.

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Michael Shanks MP, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State (Department for Energy Security and Net Zero) (Rutherglen, Labour)

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Consideration of Lords message: Consideration of Lords Message on the Data (Use and Access) Bill [Lords]

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I must draw the House attention to the fact that Lords Amendment 40 9B, the laws disagreement with the Commons in Commons amendment 52 and Lords Amendment 50 2B and 50 2C, engage Commons Financial Privilege. If any amendments are agreed to I will cause the customary entry waving Commons Financial Privilege to be entered into that journal. The amendment 32... And propose the

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words restored to the bill with the Lords disagreement. I call the Minister. Notwithstanding the views of the

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Notwithstanding the views of the Chinese government, it is a delight to see you in your place. I am only to see you in your place. I am only saddened that I have not been sanctioned. It feels a shame, nor by Russia for that matter, there is Russia for that matter, there is still time. I am delighted to be here today to discuss the data bill which we last discussed one week ago which we last discussed one week ago today. I would like to express how pleased I am that the other players pleased I am that the other players agreed to the government's amendments related to the national underground asset register and underground asset register and intimate image abuse.

I want to pay tribute to the members of the House tribute to the members of the House of Lords who played a part in of Lords who played a part in getting that legislation to where it is now, I am glad we have been able to work with them. I'm going to to work with them. I'm going to start with encouraging the House to agree those amendments before I agree those amendments before I discuss amendments relating to a, individual property, science research and sex and gender.

On amendment 60 5D, 55 50 5B and E. These place on the face of the bill These place on the face of the bill the government to have the offence of intimate image deep fakes. The government was pleased to support the bill in the other place as we share the desire to ensure that criminal law works as government intends.

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I thank you for giving way. I think all of us appreciate this and want to protect vulnerable women, children and anyone at risk of this children and anyone at risk of this harm. With this amendment put forward, would we not look at doing something similar for creative something similar for creative industries, if we can protect vulnerable people, can we also

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copyright? I think she is jumping ahead of

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I think she is jumping ahead of the gun if I might say so. I will come onto these issues but I want to praise Baroness Owen with this legislation because I do not think it would have ended up in the bill

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Chris Bryant MP, Minister of State (Department for Science, Innovation and Technology) (Rhondda and Ogmore, Labour)

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Dr Ben Spencer MP (Runnymede and Weybridge, Conservative)

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Victoria Collins MP (Harpenden and Berkhamsted, Liberal Democrat)

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that is part of British creativity. Eric more -- Morgan from Morecambe and Wise, painters who paint our lives with joy and colour that only Our area has been featured in Harry Potter and pubs featured in films like Bridget Jones. But today the legacy faces the threat, the current situation is more than just alarming, it is threatening the essence of our national identity and creative economy. We hear concerns about resources for protecting the creative sector but the argument misses the point, the creative industries contribute £126 million for our economy, ploy 2.4 million people and are growing faster than the wider economy.

The question is not whether we can afford to protect these industries, it is whether we can afford not to. When we invest in enforcing copyright protections, we are investing in safeguarding one of Britain's greatest economic assets and competitive advantage on the world stage. The transparency in amendment 40 9B are essential and proportionate, apply proportionately to businesses of different sizes while ensuring our creative powerhouse can continue to thrive and work hand-in-hand with technology. True leadership in artificial intelligence means building respectful creativity, not exploitation.

This is not about resisting technology, it is about recognising value and safeguarding innovation. That brings me back home to Berkhamsted. In the heart of my constituency, since the British Film Institute National archives. One of the largest and most significant film collections in the world, comprising over 275,000 titles and 20,000 silent films dating back to 1894. A living memory of our national story told on screen. Would we allow anyone to walk in and take whatever they like? Would we let them scan, copy and republish those works without permission or compensation? Of course not.

I asked the Minister why would we allow the same thing to happen in the digital world? This is a defining moment, we can build a future that respects and builds creativity or one which restricts. Will we stand for a future where technology and creativity flourish together? Or will we allow it to be hollowed out for short-term gain. I urge to stand up for transparency and say that creativity matters.

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I rise to speak to clauses 40 3B

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I rise to speak to clauses 40 3B on scientific research and on safeguarding and ensuring the exemption measures contained in the bill are used for the purposes of scientific research and scientific scientific research and scientific research alone. The second reading of the bill, the Minister was unable of the bill, the Minister was unable to address the points I raised because he ran out of time given the because he ran out of time given the extensive debate of eye and extensive debate of eye and copyright.

And rather feel the same thing has happened again today. In the meantime the Minister did write the meantime the Minister did write to me extensively with... To address to me extensively with... To address the concerns I raised. While I do not think all of my concerns were

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Chi Onwurah MP (Newcastle upon Tyne Central and West, Labour)

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not think all of my concerns were fully addressed, I was convinced that the Minister does not intend, the government does not intend for this measure to widen the circumstances under which data can be reused without consent for be reused without consent for scientific research. The examples are if data would be used for the training of artificial intelligence models which were not contributing to creative, scientific research. All scientific research is creative, simply if it is reproducing findings, it is creating confidence in the stock of scientific knowledge.

I understand the Minister does not intend to create a wild Something up he can confirm it is not the policy intention or effect of the provisions to enable the use of personal data for artificial intelligence. The Minister makes a hand signal. I am of the view that hand signals are not reflected in Hansard. And as far greater knowledge of the proceedings of the House than I do. But if the Minister would like to intervene on me, you can do so.

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I'd like to thank the Minister

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I'd like to thank the Minister for that innovative intervention and I look forward to my future happiness. On that basis, I think happiness. On that basis, I think that we can work together to ensure with the Select Committee and with his reassurances to ensure that the his reassurances to ensure that the bill does enable scientific research using the fantastic datasets, which using the fantastic datasets, which the UK is proud to have without the UK is proud to have without exposing the public to the reuse of exposing the public to the reuse of their data for the purposes of training AI models or for other training AI models or for other purposes, which are not -- commercial purposes which are not in the sense of scientific research.

the sense of scientific research. And pleased to see those And pleased to see those reassurances and I will not wish to reassurances and I will not wish to engage in further...

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In reference to the earlier exchange, if you remember the

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Pete Wishart MP (Perth and Kinross-shire, Scottish National Party)

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exchange, if you remember the ministers 60th birthday, you weren't really there but I wasn't really there. There is a profound disappointment today within the whole creative sector. Every single one of them really believed and hoped the Minister would appear today with something in the back of his pocket that he would be able to bring out and to give some sort of reassurance to the whole sector, to the many artists and creators across the country who are extremely anxious and concerned about the direction of the debate and conversations about the use of their work, who are really concerned that some of their precious words that they have put so much tears, blood and sweat into will be spat into one of these warts and reappear as some mirror, minor mirror of their words.

Today, no one has been satisfied with what has been said today. He has one less chance. I hope that in that pocket somewhere, he will give something, something to the creative industries. At least give them some sort of co- -- hope as we go forward. Because right now they are going into the next few months and years unprotected and they have nothing they could rely on other than what is in these amendments today, which I know for a fact the Minister will ensure are voted down.

Today has been curious. I have never seen this before. Financial privilege has been evoked for a particular amendment. I've spent 1/4 of a century in this House. I think I know why it's been done. It's so that the House of Lords get the opportunity again to bring back this measure. Can I say to the Minister, they are already designing it. This goes back down to the House of Lords and will be coming back once again. It is ultimately disappointing that they will not able to represent this...

This amendment has received overwhelming support from everybody across the creative sector that I really hoped we were going to be including it today. The only reason we are here is because the efforts of the members of the House of Lords, and usually one who doesn't pay them much of a tribute and Has worked on this. The government has done nothing to ensure the creative sector is to be protected. And we are saying that there should be more time as we go forward.

We don't have that time. The livelihoods of 2.4 million creators in the UK against exploitation from some of the richest companies in the world. If we continue at this rate, as I said countless times throughout this bill, soon there will be nothing left to protect. The thing is the government should have acted earlier itself. It should have taken steps to create -- protect creators rights as a matter of urgency. Instead of scrambling to try to find Instead of scrambling to try to find a way we had these reassurances.

The government 's amendments today, what they will do anything to set a timeline of several years before any resolution is reached on transparency. And I listened carefully, as I always do, to the Minister speak about transparency today. I don't understand why it cannot be done immediately. They had to do was tell copyright holders that their work is going to be used by one of the web crawlers. That's all they would have to do. Can be done really easily.

There is no technical problem about where transparency cannot be introduced as

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a priority. I thank the honourable member for

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I thank the honourable member for giving way. As Lord Brennan said recently, this bill as an recently, this bill as an opportunity to regulate for AI, boss that the government should be that the government should be getting on, rather than waiting for another bus several years down the road. This boss is leaving now. It road. This boss is leaving now. It is leaving along with the opportunity to protect our creative rates. -- This boss is leaving now. rates.

-- This boss is leaving now. -- bus. I'm concerned that the

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government will miss the bus. I've played with him for several years in the parliamentary and. Even years in the parliamentary and. Even if the government... It will be years before the creators have the slightest hope for protection against creative theft. There hoping to finally get some protection but have had their hopes set aside again. This amendment does exactly what the sector has been calling for for many years. The fact it has been brought forward is a credit to the sustained campaign from our artists in the creative sector who have organised themselves to efficiently and put such a compelling case that our constituents have started to understand the complexities of copyright law, and they now realise the value that has in ensuring that the artist they love, respect and like to listen to make sure their work will be recognised and compensated for.

Despite what the government says, merely forcing will government says, merely forcing will It is this that will prevent start- ups being burdened with overly onerous regulation. In fact, all this legislation does is put to the UK start-ups on a level playing field with US tech giants who gain an unfair competitive advantage by ignoring copyright law. Transparency will make the risk of copyright infringement to great for AI to break the law. It well established precedent or kill -- and kill any argument that there is uncertainty in the UK the.

If you can see what has been stolen, it is easier to stop it being stolen and to get redress when it continues to be stolen. It is now up to the government to fix this. If they are serious about productive creative industries, and they should be, and I accept that that is what they intend to do, that cannot stop at working groups and economic impact assessments. There has to be a minimum. This is the last opportunity we have to put this case.

It's a black day for the creative sector. They hoped this day would be the day the government had come up with something to address their concerns. They were looking for anything from this government to see that they were clearly on their side and were prepared to do something. So the government now has a choice. I think we know exactly what is going to decide. Remove the amendment and turn their back on creative industries or find a way to protect the creative sector and make

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Minister. Thank you very much. I was anticipating more contributions from other members. It's a delight to see

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Chris Bryant MP, Minister of State (Department for Science, Innovation and Technology) (Rhondda and Ogmore, Labour)

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other members. It's a delight to see you in the chair and to follow on from the honourable member. I'm not going to speak at any rate length, members will be delighted to hear. First of all, I wanted to refer to the matter of financial privilege because the honourable member referred to are just now. Is not the government decides whether financial privilege is engaged. It's a simple matter that is decided by an advice by the clerks to the chair because it is a simple matter determined from two motions from 1671 and 1678 where there is any financial implication of a bill or in this case for an amendment that comes from the House of Lords and it is a simple matter as to whether or not the financial privilege of the house of commons is engaged.

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second. The money resolution was passed at second reading. I looked at the money resolution and there's nothing money resolution and there's nothing that said there were any measures. that said there were any measures. I'm a bit confused as to why

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I'm a bit confused as to why financial privilege is to be rolled in on that basis. It's not government that invokes financial privilege. It's the house financial privilege. It's the house that does it via the speaker's that does it via the speaker's chair. As much as I love debating all the motions from 1671 and 1678, I think we might move forward. The only point I'd say to him about the contribution he's just made about contribution he's just made about the creative industries, and he knows that we agree.

If there were a knows that we agree. If there were a simple way of being able to enforce those rights today, I would seize it. He wants to write to me with a it. He wants to write to me with a suggestion on what that actually suggestion on what that actually looks like, what we could do today, then of course, I would be happy to look at it. I also said I would respond to the point to the chair -- from the chair of the Science Committee.

This bill creates no new permission to reuse data for scientific research. It is not the effect of the provisions to provide blanket approval of the reuse of personal data for AI training under the banner of scientific research. I hope that that meets some of the concerns that she understandably has. I know it's not in order but I'm going to say it anyway. Just and on this point. We have discussed some very serious points. I do just wish that member Monday when the Eurovision Song contest with the song What the Hell Just Happened, I wish Lauren Holly and Charlotte all the best.

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Motion: Motion to approve the Russia (Sanctions) (EU Exit) (Amendment) Regulations 2025

As many of that opinion, say "Aye". Those in the contrary, say "No". I think the Ayes have it. The Ayes have it. That concludes the consideration of the Lords message consideration of the Lords message relating to the Data (Use and relating to the Data (Use and Access) Bill. Motion number five on sanctions, Minister to move.

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Stephen Doughty MP, Minister of State (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Cardiff South and Penarth, Labour )

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Madam Deputy Speaker, I beg to The Russia Sanctions Act. Sanctions are a powerful tool in our armoury. They play an important part in They play an important part in promoting peace and security abroad, of holding international norms and rules and protecting our citizens at home. Since coming into power, this government has up -- ramped up government has up -- ramped up action. We have led the way in deterring and disrupting Russia and deterring and disrupting Russia and Britain -- Iran.

Last Friday, the Prime Minister announced new sanctions. This is the largest package of sanctions against the shadow fleet. According to some estimates, sanctions have crippled estimates, sanctions have crippled 200 ships, almost half of put in's 200 ships, almost half of put in's

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I will happily give way. Can I commend the Minister for

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Can I commend the Minister for bringing that forward. This house is encouraged by what the Minister said. The one thing that always said. The one thing that always concerns us is that everybody knows this, that there are frozen Russian this, that there are frozen Russian assets. Can government pursue those assets. Can government pursue those with a vengeance and with a zest? I with a vengeance and with a zest? I think if every squeeze on frozen think if every squeeze on frozen action -- Russian assets would action -- Russian assets would strengthen everyone on this site who supports Ukraine.

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supports Ukraine. Well, thank you and I thank my honourable friend for his steadfast support in raising this important issue. We have already ensured that important resource gets the Ukraine. I'm thankful for the speedy support across this house. It will make a tangible difference. Two thirds Of that funding has already been dispersed. He asks about frozen Russian assets. We are working at pace with international partners to ensure that Russia pays for the horrific damage and discretion it has done.

I can assure him on that point, and we will come back to the house in due course to update them.

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I'm grateful to the Minister. When he refers to the attempt to cripple the ghost ships and the fleet, does that have any effect on fleet, does that have any effect on the shipments of oil to third parties like India, which then parties like India, which then refine it and then sell it on to countries like us who are trying to

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sanction Russia? Minister. He asks a very important question. We take all possible question. We take all possible avenues to limit the Russian war machine and the revenues that come machine and the revenues that come from energy are part of that. We keep all options under keep all options under consideration. I won't comment on future actions for obvious reasons but what I can tell him is this action has had real-time impact, significant impact on Putin's significant impact on Putin's Sanctions program overall has denied Russia billions of dollars worth.

That would be enough to keep this were going for many, many more years. It has had a real tangible impact. Of course, action taken under the previous government and this government which has been accelerated will have a real impact on the war machine and I thank him for his consistent support for Ukraine and for these measures. We are committed to securing a just and lasting peace in Ukraine and maximising economic pressure on Russia which is key to securing that. That is why we are continuing to introduce sanctions.

We have now sanctioned over 2400 entities and individuals in the Russian regime and international sections -- sanctions have deprived Putin of millions. We have frustrated Russian trade. Imports to the UK have fallen by more than 98% compared to preinvasion levels. Exports are also down. We will maintain the relentless pressure on Putin alongside our allies to force him to the table and in -- ensure he engages seriously in negotiations. We want Russia to accept a full unconditional ceasefire to create a just and lasting peace.

We commend just and lasting peace. We commend On Monday the Foreign Secretary hosted foreign ministers to discuss joint efforts to strengthen European security and secure just and lasting peace in Ukraine. The House can be assured these conversations are part of all of our engagement partners and allies across the world indeed I had such conversations today. Time is now for Putin to come to the table and for Russia to show that they are serious about ending this war or face the consequences.

The UK stands ready to ratchet up the pressure on Russia so it ends its brutal war of aggression, we will continue to explore measures with which we can ratchet up that economic pressure on Russia. This instrument allows us to go even further in our efforts to target Russia's revenue streams and prevent the Kremlin from building its military and industrial capabilities. It introduces a 150 150 new 150 new trade 150 new trade sanctions, 150 new trade sanctions, this includes new innovative measures that prevent UK expertise from being used in Russia's defence and energy sectors, it will deny Russia sophisticated UK technology and software and it will expand our prohibitions with the aim of further constraining Russia's economic growth and ability to fuel that war machine.

I want to turn specifically to each measure within the The instrument introduces new export prohibitions on a wide range of goods including chemicals, plastics, metals, machinery and electronics. These will deny Russia the means to procure products that have military and industrial uses. Secondly we are extending our prohibitions on the transfer of technology, applying the prohibitions to a broader sector of technology route related to goods that are important for Russia's military industrial sectors and its economic develop in. Through these measures we are removing UK expertise whether that is contained in intellectual property blueprints or industrial know-how from his critical supply chains.

Thirdly this Relating to business enterprise, industrial design and oil and gas exploration and production, and of course as has been referenced already Putin relies on energy production and exports to fuel his war economy. Therefore the aim of the sanctions is to make key sectors of the Russian economy less productive and less able to fuel this illegal and barbarous war against Ukraine. Fourthly we are banning the import of Russian synthetic diamonds that have been processed in third countries and helium. These target future funding sources Russia is developing as well as potential circumvention routes.

Finally this instrument clarifies the enforcement responsibilities for a small number of trade sanctions on Russia, this will enable DBT's officer trade sanctions implementation to enforce certain trade sanctions offences and refer serious offences to HMRC for criminal enforcement consideration. To conclude, this government remains committed to European security and our steadfast support for Ukraine, we are committed to standing up for the values of democracy and the rule of law, values which continue to be attacked so brutally by Russia. attacked so brutally by Russia.

Sanctions including this important Sanctions including this important package are a key part of our efforts and I commend these regulations to the House will top

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Rt Hon Wendy Morton MP (Aldridge-Brownhills, Conservative)

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Paper. Shadow minister Wendy Morton. On these benches we support the draft order and all measures that bear down on Putin's regime and bear down on Putin's regime and undermine his ability to prosecute the barbaric illegal invasion of the barbaric illegal invasion of Ukraine. We support further measures on technology transfers of software, on diamonds and chemicals and the other measures to tighten both the import and export regime. Of course import and export regime. Of course all of these are built on the all of these are built on the critical mass of sanctions introduced by the Conservative government which, working with allies, imposed the largest and most severe set of sanctions that Russia severe set of sanctions that Russia had ever seen to cripple Putin's war machine we sanctioned around 2,000 individuals, companies and groups.

All of us should be in no doubt that the economic pressure we and our allies have been exerting means Russia cannot afford to sustain the cost of this illegal invasion. cost of this illegal invasion. Indeed Russian interest rates are at levels not seen for decades and welfare payments are being cut. The international community sanctions international community sanctions have denied Putin $400 billion of funds since February 2022, money it could otherwise have spent on the war in Ukraine. On that note I do want to push the government on four points today for because we must strive ceaselessly to constrain Putin's war machine and never see our actions as an end state.

Firstly we recognise there are measures in today's SI that will deal with specific issues relating to third countries. Can the Minister confirm whether his department is currently looking into why the secondary sanctions and if so what is the scope? What kind of diplomatic engagement is he having with countries whose economies are being used to circumnavigate international sanctions response and what measures is he considering on the big-ticket issues that are well understood in the south? Secondly, when it is his internal deadline for getting proceeds from the sale of Chelsea football club out the door and how exactly does he envisage the money being spent? Can he update us on the Foreign Secretary's engagement to date with the trustees with the government of Portugal and European Commission on this? We do need to act with urgency because we are talking about more than £2 billion and it goes without saying that this money could be a huge boost to the humanitarian effort supporting those affected by the invasion.

Thirdly can he explain why the £2.26 billion loan to Ukraine backed by the profits of sanctioned Russian assets is going to be paid by the Treasury over three years rather than in one immediate instalment, especially given it is earmarked for military equipment? And can he confirm with a simple yes or no weather work is actively ongoing within FCDO and the Treasury to find additional legal solutions to allow for the mobilisation of the sanctioned assets. Finally, has been much commentary in recent weeks about initiatives to secure peace but we urge the government in the strongest terms leveraged Britain's influence in every way that it can to help ensure peace is secured on Ukraine's terms.

As has been the case from the outset it remains ultimately for Ukraine as a proud and sovereign nation that has sacrificed so much to defend itself and the fundamental freedoms that we all hold dear to decide on its own future. Of course we want this terrible war to be brought to an end like President Zelenskyy we hope for a lasting reliable piece. But the Euro Atlantica community must continue to be intensely robust in the face of Putin's aggression. The lesson of the last 20 years is clear, he only comes back for more.

Today we have the added threat that the axes of authoritarian states is collaborating to wreck destruction on our own continent with Iran providing weapons and North Korea providing troops to support Putin. We even understand a number of Chinese civilians are supporting Russia's campaign. The stakes could not be higher but there remains nothing inevitable about a victory for Russia. Who thought it could capture Kyiv and subject Ukraine might subjugate Ukraine within days. Three years on the Costa Russia has been enormous and unsustainable.

We been enormous and unsustainable. We acknowledge the government is now proud -- proactively seeking to end the war by negotiations and that this takes UK policy on Ukraine in a new direction, we must also remember that we and our NATO allies have a collective GDP 20 times greater than rushes under collective defence individually many times larger than Putin's. Ukrainians are fighting valiantly and we must ensure they have the capabilities they need in their hands and the diplomatic support they require. The government needs to bring allies with us in supporting Ukraine to achieve a just

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and fair piece on its terms. Liberal Democrat spokesperson

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James MacCleary MP (Lewes, Liberal Democrat)

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Liberal Democrat spokesperson I would like to start by congratulating the Minister and the government for their work to date on government for their work to date on sanctioning Russia. The UK must continue to stand shoulder to shoulder with our allies and the brave Ukrainian people in resisting Putin's aggression. The support for Ukraine across this House sends a strong message to the Kremlin. We welcome this latest that Adrian which rightly tightened the screw on Russia's ability to wage its illegal war. These amendments expand our sanctions regime in three important ways first by extending export bans on a wide range of products, chemicals, electronics, plastics metals and machinery.

We are further disrupting the industrial base that fuels Putin's war machine. Second by banning transfer of associated software and technical knowledge including cloud-based solutions we prevent the back door flow of intellectual capital into the Kremlin's hands. Thereby introducing import bans on Russian synthetic diamonds and helium products even when processed in third countries we cut off future revenue streams to help fund this war. These measures will respond to the real world attempts by Russia to sidestep sanctions by using complex supply chains and third country networks.

They align the UK with our allies, the EU, the United States and the G7, making our collective response far more powerful than going alone. While I support these measures I hope that ministers will consider going further. If the government is serious about holding Putin to account then sanctions must not only be enforced they must be escalated. The little Democrats been saying this for months but the UK should begin the seizure not just the freezing of Russian state assets.

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I'm grateful to my honourable friend for what he is laying out and friend for what he is laying out and I agree with him that support these measures across this House is really powerful, I was most recently in powerful, I was most recently in Kyiv two weeks ago and the looks on the faces of the people who had been the faces of the people who had been subjected to warcrimes from the Russian army will stay with me through for a very long time.

But underlying to me the importance of underlying to me the importance of our efforts as the UK in supporting them and I completely agree with the pointy is making about moving from pointy is making about moving from freezing to seizing Russian assets. The Minister and the Foreign The Minister and the Foreign The Minister and the Foreign Secretary earlier that this week talked about working on a multilateral basis I wonder if he agrees with me that if that agreement can't be found that we should consider moving on a

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should consider moving on a unilateral basis in a leadership role from the United Kingdom? I thank her for her intervention

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I thank her for her intervention and absolutely there are 22 billion in frozen assets or estimated 22 billion from Russian Central Bank reserves held locked up in the UK at the moment. That is money that could and should be used to help rebuild Ukraine, provide humanitarian assistance and purchase the materiel Ukrainians need to defend themselves in the UK should certainly be taking a leadership role in seizing those assets as soon as we can. The United States is removing this direction and so are EU member states but United Kingdom should be leaving not lagging behind.

We must also close loopholes that allow Russian oligarchs to continue laundering their dirty money in London that means properly resulting the National Crime Agency strengthening climate legislation and demanding use of sanctions not just for individuals but for their family members as well. When wealth is transferred in an attempt to dodge accountability. Also as a member of the U.K.'s Parliamentary delegation to the Council of Europe I strongly support the register of the Council of Europe have established UK has taken a leading role in to record the damage done by Russia to Ukraine.

I know the government is backing the work they are doing but hope the ministers will promote the register because it doesn't have a very high-profile moment to ensure victims claims are poppy documented and Russia is held meaningfully to account for its actions will stop let's not forget that Putin's ambitions don't end with Ukraine. He is actively working to destabilise other sovereign states including Georgia, Moldova, Romania, Bosnia and Herzegovina and others in a wider attempt to erode European stability and democratic resilience. Let me be clear the Liberal Democrat leaving the law, the sovereignty of nation, the rights of people to choose peace over tyranny.

Putin's war as a grotesque assault on all of war as a grotesque assault on all of This legislation is a necessary step but it must be the beginning not the end of our efforts to hold Putin and the Russian state to account. We support the motion today but we will support the motion today but we will keep pushing this government to be bolder, faster and more determined in a support Ukraine and this defence of the values we all hold dear. dear.

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Stephen Doughty MP, Minister of State (Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office) (Cardiff South and Penarth, Labour )

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Paper. As many of that opinion, say "Aye". Those in the contrary, say "No". I think the Ayes have it. The Ayes have it. Motion number six on the appointment of late member -- lay member. The question is as on the Order Paper. As many of that opinion, say "Aye". Those in the contrary, say "No". I think the Ayes have it. The Ayes have it. Petition.

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Thank you. For three years, the

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Thank you. For three years, the Marsh Lock Horsebridge has been closed. The position I -- the closed. The position I -- the petition I presented today has over 6000 signatories started by nine- year-old Victoria who is in the galleries today, calling for the bridge to be reopened. I welcome bridge to be reopened. I welcome news from the Environment Agency. There is only partial funding and There is only partial funding and the future is still uncertain. I take this opportunity to put on record my regret at the closure of record my regret at the closure of an event due to the sewage crisis.

The EA must be given resources The EA must be given resources needed to keep our river thriving economically and safe for all users. Conditioners -- petitioners therefore request that the House of therefore request that the House of Commons take immediate action to encourage the Environment Agency to repair the bridge and the petition repair the bridge and the petition

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Petition. Repairs to Marsh Petition. Repairs to Marsh Lock Horsebridge. Petition, Jerome Mayhew.

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Mayhew. Thank you. The largest town in my constituency has not had a permanent constituency has not had a permanent post office for over five years. The town's high street banks are also town's high street banks are also closing one after the other, leaving access to cash deposits for local businesses. This paper petition for a permanent post office together a permanent post office together with an online similar version has collected over 1000 signatures to solve these problems. It declares that residents of villages need that residents of villages need access to a permanent post office to service the needs of the community.

It asks that the government work with the banks to provide a long- with the banks to provide a long- term solution to provide access to cash and postal services to a permanent post office in the heart permanent post office in the heart

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Adjournment: Environmental impact of plastic recycling in Leamington

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Mary Creagh MP, The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Coventry East, Labour)

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Can I begin by congratulating my honourable friend and neighbour the honourable gentleman for Warwick & Leamington. I know this area well and I think he has made a very powerful and compelling speech on behalf of his constituents. We have got a commitment to transition to a circular economy and to try and prevent waste carrying in the first place but where does occur we need to manage it in the most resource efficient way possible and that is really important for the management of plastic waste so we want to minimise its use and it's clear we need to recycle plastics to prevent them being landfilled or incinerated.

But the litany of distressing incidents and the failure that he describes around the planning permission being given for this light industrial estate so close to residents houses and the dreadful examples he gives of children asking their parents about how can I eat my dinner without flies flying into my mouth, I think that is something we wouldn't wish on our worst enemies and I am truly sorry that his constituents have had to put up with this terrible to put up with this terrible situation.

Plastics for recycling come from a wide range of resources across household and industry and the need to be cleaned before recycling, that's a note to all of us when we chuck our dirty un-rinsed yoghurt pots into the recycling, someone has to actually deal with them later on. There is no such place is away. If we want the material to be suitable for remanufacture we have to clean up our own mess before we hand it on our own mess before we hand it on for materials reprocessing.

It is clear that in this case this activity has impacted his constituents and we do have regulations in place to protect regulations in place to protect communities. These recycling plans like plants are holders of environmental permits. Those permits are issued by the Environment Agency Impose conditions on operators about waste handling to mitigate, i.e. Reduce, the environmental risk such as odour and noise as well as other pollution risks. The Environment Agency regulates the holders of those permits by making periodic visits to inspect activities and to ensure that these are in line with the conditions of the permit.

I'm very pleased to hear that he also has been conducting his own unannounced visits and I do hope he finds a way to continue those unannounced visits or finding other people to do them for him in the event that he is barred. They work with the operator facilities to ensure compliance issuing guidance and advice and when necessary can serve notices on an operator to mandate actions to improve compliance such as changes to how they carry out the work or how risks they carry out the work or how risks are managed.

So I am really sorry to residents who are experiencing odours and flies in South Leamington Warwick Gates, Heathcoat and Whitmarsh. The environment agency and Warwick District Council have been working together to investigate these issues but having heard what he said tonight may I advise him, and I will do my best through my private office, that the Health and Safety Executive is also made aware of the unhygienic working practices that workers at that site are clearly experiencing and I'm very keen to hear about if it is bad in the neighbouring houses, what is it like for people to take their breaks and eat their packed lunches on that site, I can't imagine that it is NEETs modern working condition standards not meats.

I understand the plant in Leamington spa sources from largely municipal waste which cleans on-site before recycling into material to go back into manufacturing. The CITES permit requires an odour management plan which controls the treatment for the washing of plastic as well as several other potential odorous processes, odorous is basically smelly. As these activities are included in the permit appropriate enforcement activity can be taken should odours be assessed -- assessed as contravening this plan put up the odour management plan includes details about the storage and handling of incoming materials which themselves are recognised as potentially odorous, the current permit conditions in relation to the open water treatment plant to treat water used from the washing of plastics are being reviewed by the environment agency to ensure all required conditions are in place to regulate the activity and I will be asking for regular updates I have a regular Environment Agency update and I will be asking for this plant to be added to my risk update The Environment Agency was first Fly issues in July 2023 with a volume of other reports being reported in August as well.

They visited two sites in the area regularly, including the recycling plant, and requiring action to be taken against the flies. This was to monitor and consistently improve past and order management plans. This has been going on for nearly 2 years as he says. In terms of flies, in January 2024, and external entomologist, that's an insect specialist, was contracted to conduct a site inspection. Following revelations from them, improvement plan was produced with further action. Fly control boards were installed at the plant to kill flies and fly traps have also been installed inside and out to kill flies and other species of flies to be monitored.

The environment agency also asked for volunteers within the local community to conduct fly monitoring in their homes. And I do sort of agree with him. It's like, you know, whose job is it? I understand residents reluctance. Only one person responded. Perhaps if we say that data collection and evidence is a really important point -- part of compliance regulatory activity. If you want to take action, you have to have the proofs, essentially. I do recommend that he potentially re-engages.

In August and September 2024, the levels were not reported as likely to cause distress. Environment Agency continued to investigate all reports received and has done 26 unannounced inspections. Additional order inspections have been conducted in the area. I take on board what he says. My constituents -- constituents vomiting in their cars as they drive past. He has given a very graphic description of the impacts. And order assessment was carried out on 1 March. Multiple locations within the locality visited, faint and sporadic orders were identified but these were not detected at the site and you.

Since March, reports have increased. Again, it's a hot weather issue. There were 31 March, 32 in April. In April, the operator notified the Environment Agency of an issue with a tank and maintenance was carried out to address this. On 15 April, the EA required the operator to provide further information regarding maintenance of the wastewater treatment plant, staff training and order monitoring. The response has been received and is being assessed. Officers carried out further off-site immunity checks on 25th of April.

No odour or notably elevated fly numbers were noted. A further site visit was conducted further site visit was conducted last week on 7 May and no breaches were identified and there are no off-site immunity issues. The EA is committed, as I, to ensuring compliance at those facilities it regulates. I think you will agree that we have taken a very swift action to tackle waste issues across the country. The EA will continue to respond to reports of odour and flies and proactively inspect the site and any others which they consider a potential site -- source of odour.

The local council have worked together to ensure that residents are kept to -- up to date. I do understand that residents might feel helpless and hopeless and I do encourage them to continue to take action to continue to report fly, order or noise issues to the 24 hour Environment Agency hotline. These reports help the environment agency and partners investigate and assess the impact of all issues. I give

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way. I thank my honourable friend for her response and the her response and the comprehensiveness of it. Frustration is after two years, there is real fatigue among the community around fatigue among the community around the district council and the environment agency. Environment and health are not listening and taking this problem seriously. I don't this problem seriously. I don't think we can rely on them responding through online forms and whatever. The important thing is that if the recycling plan does not change, that recycling plan does not change, that is the last chance for them.

We've seen video evidence of them with flies flying around. This place flies flying around. This place needs to be shut down if there is one more example of them failing to maintain proper conditions in the work piece or wider environment.

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I'm not able, as the Minister, to pass judgement on any permitted operator, as it could be prejudicial operator, as it could be prejudicial , ongoing or potentially in the future, but what I would say to him as he has had a letter from the environment agency. I've seen that letter. I think what we must move from as a world where regulatory activity is focused on activity rather than on progress and I'm very keen that the environment agency should make progress with the flies, order and other issues that he has so eloquently spoken about.

I will, as I say, be keeping a very close eye on this and I will be pushing officials for clear and unambiguous action to make sure that if we have another warm summer, that his constituents are not suffering what can only be described as an utterly horrible and unacceptable living conditions. Thank you.

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Rt Hon Sir Keir Starmer MP, The Prime Minister (Holborn and St Pancras, Labour)

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Mr Jonathan Brash MP (Hartlepool, Labour)

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Sarah Smith MP (Hyndburn, Labour)

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Amanda Martin MP (Portsmouth North, Labour)

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Mary Creagh MP, The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Coventry East, Labour)

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Mary Creagh MP, The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Coventry East, Labour)

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John Lamont MP (Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk, Conservative)

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