Creon

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Thursday 5th June 2025 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick]

To ask His Majesty’s Government what steps they are taking to address the shortage of Creon, a cancer medication, reported by the National Pharmacy Association, and what steps they plan to take to prevent similar shortages in future.

[The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health and Social Care (Baroness Merron) (Lab)]

My Lords, while some supply constraints remain, predominantly with the higher-strength product, Creon stock is regularly being delivered to pharmacies. Alternative products and unlicensed imports are also available. Guidance has been issued to the NHS on prescribing available alternatives and utilising serious shortage protocols to limit quantities dispensed, with actions for integrated care boards to ensure that patients are not left without Creon or an alternative. We continue to work on the long-term supply resilience of Creon.

[Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick (Lab)]

My Lords, I thank my noble friend the Minister for that Answer, but there are some suggestions that pharmacies are struggling to obtain this important medication, which addresses pancreatic enzyme therapy. Given the struggles that pharmacies are facing, could my noble friend the Minister therefore outline what consideration has been given by the Government to provide a national plan to address shortages and to support patients with alternative care? What approval would be given to highly trained pharmacists to use their professional judgment to supply alternative medicines, where that is medically safe and appropriate, in the event of the prescribed version being unavailable to ensure that patients can enjoy longer, healthier lives?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I can say to my noble friend that serious shortage protocols are a tool that we have and use to manage and mitigate medicine and medical devices shortages. They enable community pharmacists to supply a specified medicine or device in accordance with a protocol rather than a prescription, with the patient’s consent, without needing to seek authorisation from the prescriber. They are used in cases of serious shortage, and we develop those protocols with input from expert clinicians. In addition, we are currently examining options around pharmacists’ flexibilities, including how any risks could be managed, and further details will be set out on this. I hope this gives some reassurance to my noble friend.

[Lord Kamall (Con)]

My Lords, we know that these unexpected shortages occur from time to time, and that this obviously causes patients to worry. As the Minister said, I understand the advice is that alternative therapies are available but may not be sufficient for all patients. Given this, can the Government reassure patients that they are confident that those who cannot turn to alternative therapies will be able to get the appropriate doses of Creon that they require? Also, do the Government have any idea, or have they been given any indication, of when they expect this particular shortage to end?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

The supply situation has improved since last year and there is now sufficient stock of lower-strength Creon to meet normal demand. There are still some supply constraints, as I have said, with the higher-strength product stock, but stock is regularly being delivered to pharmacies. As we have discussed, alternative products and unlicensed imports are also available. I totally accept that patients may have concerns, and that is why we have worked closely to keep in communication with patients to assure them that they will not be going without the medication they need. For example, it may be that lower strength in multiple provision can be made, or there are the alternatives that I have described. If any noble Lords are aware of real-life examples of shortages, I would be grateful to hear about them, because we believe that we have made the arrangements, and I can reassure noble Lords that these very important medicines are being provided to those who need them.

[Lord Scriven (LD)]

My Lords, I suggest that the Minister ask her officials immediately to speak to the National Pharmacy Association, which published a survey at the end of last month that said that 96% of community pharmacies were finding problems with getting stocks of Creon and 89% of community pharmacies were having problems with alternatives. In light of that and the bigger picture, what actions are the Government taking to establish new suppliers and manufacturers of enzyme replacement therapy to reduce reliance on a limited number of manufacturers?

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[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

The noble Lord makes a very good point, because the reality is that there are very limited manufacturers of pancreatic enzyme replacement therapy—which applies to a number of people, not just those who have pancreatic cancer—so I do understand that point. It is the case that several non-UK suppliers have expressed an interest in bringing their products to the UK, and they are currently under review with the MHRA. Of course, I hope noble Lords are aware that this Government prioritise UK life sciences, and that is absolutely key. We have established incentives to encourage manufacture, including up to £520 million to support businesses that invest in life-science manufacturing products.

[Lord Spellar (Lab)]

My Lords, may I put it to my noble friend the Minister that there is also an underlying problem, which was also revealed during COVID, that too often the end-use manufacturers are highly dependent on a supply chain that is often in countries that are either unreliable or, indeed, even hostile? These may seem to be basic supplies, but in fact they are enormously important for the final product. Should not the Government in this area, and indeed in others, be looking at this more seriously?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I believe that we are looking at this very seriously. Of course, medicine supply chains are complex, global and highly regulated, so there are a number of reasons why supply can be disrupted and a number of reasons why supply might not be specifically as we would like. Unfortunately, some of those are out of government control. To be honest, we cannot prevent all medicine shortages, but we can take as many steps as possible. I can assure my noble friend that the whole point about increasing resilience of the UK medicine supply chain remains a key priority. We work with industry, we work with the regulator and we will improve the position of the UK as a destination for life sciences and manufacturing in this regard.

[Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle (GP)]

My Lords, the Minister referred to Creon being needed for a number of conditions. In Sheffield, when I was visiting POLARIS, the pulmonary lung and respiratory imaging centre, I met a mother of a cystic fibrosis patient—a young child, quite a small child—and that mother was suffering significant distress at having to spend time chasing around Sheffield to try to lay hands on Creon. The Minister just said that this is out of government control. Does she agree that this is a case where relying on markets to supply essential drugs is not working and that there needs to be more government control in the supply chain?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

The noble Baroness puts forward an interesting perspective. There will always be a number of matters that are outside any Government’s control. What is in the Government’s control is what action we can take. In terms of alternatives to Creon, for example, supplies of Nutrizym have more than doubled since last year, and Essential Pharma has also secured additional manufacturing capacity for Pancrex. In May last year, pancreatin preparations—the active ingredient in the medicine we are talking about—were added to the list of medicines that cannot be exported from the UK or hoarded in order to reserve supplies. These actions, along with some of the ones that I have just mentioned and more, all show a very active government position.

[Lord Kamall (Con)]

My Lords, since we have a bit of time, perhaps I may be allowed a supplementary. Given that part of the answer is to import unlicensed medicines, what quality-control procedures are there in place to ensure that people can be reassured that these unlicensed medicines are suitable and fit for patients?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

It would not be possible to prescribe them if they were not fit and safe for use. I am grateful to the noble Lord for allowing me to make that reassurance. There is very clear information on ordering and prescribing unlicensed imports on the NHS Specialist Pharmacy Service website, should the noble Lord or any other person wish to be reassured of what that means.

Primary and Community Care

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Thursday 5th June 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Hacking]

To ask His Majesty’s Government what steps they are taking to support primary and community care settings to integrate in vitro point of care diagnostics.

[The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health and Social Care (Baroness Merron) (Lab)]

My Lords, we recognise the value of point-of-care diagnostics in enabling earlier detection, reducing avoidable hospital admissions and supporting more personalised care. As part of our 10-year plan, we will ensure that more tests, including in vitro point-of-care diagnostics, take place in the community, which will be closer to people’s homes. Use of in vitro point-of-care testing is encouraged where clinically appropriate, including in community diagnostic centres, and is supported by the development of 27 pathology networks.

[Lord Hacking (Lab)]

I thank my noble friend the Minister for her very positive reply, but I will take it a little further. Do the Government appreciate the enormous potential benefit of in vitro diagnosis for the National Health Service and patients? On the latter, patients would be able to go to their local pharmacy, away from the queues in their GP surgery or local A&E department, and be diagnosed and treated in a matter of minutes. My second question is: what government funding support will be given to pharmacies having to buy the diagnostic machines or boxes, which cost about £2,000 each, and to support the necessary training for pharmacy staff?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

This is a good news story, and I certainly share my noble friend’s view of the benefits that he outlined. Community diagnostic centres are now delivering additional tests and checks in 169 sites across the country. They have delivered almost 4.5 million tests, checks and scans since last July, and we have committed to expanding the number of existing CDCs and their opening times. In England, Pharmacy First clinical pathways have been developed closely with various experts, including pharmacists. The funding for the core community pharmacy contractual framework has been increased to over £3 billion, representing the largest uplift in funding of any part of the NHS. We are grateful for the role that pharmacies play.

[Lord McColl of Dulwich (Con)]

My Lords, does the Minister agree that, when we discuss in vitro testing, we should also talk about in vivo testing? That involves taking a history and doing a thorough physical examination of the patient on the spot, but it seems to be going out of fashion. I will illustrate that with the story of a member of staff who had consulted me. He had been investigated at the “St. Elsewhere” hospital for six months, but they had missed the fact that he had ruptured his Achilles tendon. I did an in vivo spot diagnosis. I put my index finger down his Achilles tendon—with his permission, of course—and I could feel the gap in his Achilles tendon where it had ruptured. They had not examined him. Is it not time that we did this inexpensive business of taking a history and doing a thorough physical examination?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I am very glad that the noble Lord asked for permission. I take his point. I know that he understands the value of in vitro point-of-care testing, but he makes the good point that what matters is what is clinically appropriate in the circumstance. We would all expect that to happen for the benefit of the patient.

[Lord Scriven (LD)]

My Lords, I will follow on from the Minister’s Answer. While being supportive of the general trend, what metrics and measures have the Government put in place to ensure that those tests indeed create positive patient outcomes and healthcare efficiency to help future induction of the tests in the NHS?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

We will ensure, through our 10-year health plan, that the additional tests, including in vitro point-of-care diagnostics, are taking place in the community. I look forward to being able to provide more information to the noble Lord.

[Lord Kamall (Con)]

My Lords, we on these Benches welcome the Government’s stated commitment to innovation in primary care and the commitment to continue the rollout of community diagnostic centres, which were started by the previous Government. However, unfortunately, last year the Patients Association highlighted barriers to the rollout of point-of-care diagnostics, particularly in rural areas. Is the Minister aware of those concerns, and what plans does the department have to tackle those barriers?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

Our commitment to moving towards a neighbourhood health service obviously allows for attention to be given to different circumstances, including in rural areas. It will mean that more care can be delivered locally and that problems can be spotted earlier, including any problems with rollout. We will shortly provide details of a national neighbourhood health implementation programme. We liaise with various groups, including the Patients Association, and I am grateful for their input and for flagging up any difficulties, which we absolutely seek to resolve.

[Lord Patel (CB)]

My Lords, while I accept that in vitro diagnosis at the point of care has great benefits, it is important to address the challenges that we will need to face. They include quality control and the standardisation of equipment used, as well as making sure that the appropriate people are trained, that assessments are made of the results obtained and that proper, good outcomes are delivered. Who will be in charge of delivering this, at the integrated care board level and the national level, to make sure that it is effective?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

The noble Lord is right that it is one thing to provide a service; it is another—and so important—to make sure that it is provided appropriately and accurately. ICBs will have their own arrangements. Within that, NHS England is currently responsible for ensuring that this takes place. We will ensure that there are regular updates. If any noble Lord is aware of particular difficulties, I would be very pleased to hear about them; for example, if there is a problem with quality control.

[Lord O’Neill of Gatley (CB)]

My Lords, does the Minister agree that even deeper and wider embedding of diagnostics across the NHS, including more in community pharmacists and GP surgeries, would help in the fight against not only antimicrobial resistance but other infectious diseases? In addition, it would stimulate the venture capital business in diagnostics. All these factors together have the potential to boost NHS productivity dramatically, and would therefore help to boost the country’s growth trend.

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I certainly agree with the very strong points that the noble Lord has made. This is obviously a health improvement policy for patients and to support the NHS, but it is also about developing growth and the opportunity for new ways of doing things. We welcome and support innovation.

[Lord Markham (Con)]

Building on a point made by the noble Lord, Lord Hacking, and others, there are many examples where the ideal place to do a diagnostic test is in a primary care setting. Urinary tract infections are a typical example of that, because you can solve it quickly in that setting, avoiding future hospital visits and much pain and suffering. However, that means taking budgets away from secondary care settings and giving them to primary care GPs, pharmacists, et cetera. Are the Government prepared to do that to see these benefits arise?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

We are constantly reviewing how best to support where we need to go. In this case, it is about getting tests done closer to home. The noble Lord is right that, for a number of people, the GP practice is a good place to do that, but not in all cases. What matters is doing what is appropriate. We announced an £889 million uplift for general practice in 2025-26, which is the largest uplift to GP funding since the beginning of the five-year framework in 2019, and we have also agreed a new GP contract. The noble Lord will be aware that we recently announced over £1 million to help the quality of the primary care estate, to ensure that we can provide some 11 million further appointments this year. While I accept that this issue is about configuration, I assure the noble Lord of our support for GPs.

Young Children: Convenience Foods

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Wednesday 4th June 2025 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Walmsley]

To ask His Majesty’s Government what steps they are taking to address the nutritional content, labelling and promotion of convenience foods aimed at very young children, including fruit pouches and snacks.

[The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health and Social Care (Baroness Merron) (Lab)]

My Lords, good nutrition is essential to our goal of raising the healthiest generation of children. Foods for infants and young children have to meet regulations on nutrition, composition and labelling standards. More widely, we are committed to tackling the child obesity crisis and government actions, including the junk food advertising ban, demonstrate the scale of our ambition in this area.

[Baroness Walmsley (LD)]

My Lords, I echo the comment of the noble Lord, Lord Kirkhope, “Oh dear”, because this issue is not new. In 2019, Public Health England drew attention to the fact that these products contain free sugars, they are not advised by the Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition for these young children and they are very misleadingly labelled. Every time the Government respond to this, they do what the Minister has just done and say that there are very good regulations about nutritional content and regulation. But does the Minister agree that regulations are only as good as their enforcement, and these are not being enforced? So, when the Government have their many conversations with the food industry, will they please get a grip and stop these companies producing products that are making our children obese, with rotting teeth?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I hope the noble Baroness will be pleased to know that I recognise the view she states. I realise that this has gone on for some time and I am grateful for her work in this area, including through chairing the Lords committee that produced a very helpful report. I recognise that the current situation is not good enough.

On the matter of food regulations and enforcement, it is the responsibility of local authorities in England to enforce legislation where breaches are suspected. Local authorities will liaise with businesses to clarify and, if necessary, agree the action to put it right. It is indeed the responsibility of individual businesses to ensure that they comply with the law, and I assure the noble Baroness that that is a matter we will continue to press, as well as keeping those food regulations under review.

[Lord Farmer (Con)]

My Lords, even natural and additive-free food pouches are processed by heating and blending for shelf life and a texture suitable for babies. Cooking from scratch is increasingly rare, but particularly important when incomes are low. This basic but valuable skill should be included in all Start for Life infant feeding programmes, as baby food, home-blended from nutritious, pre-spiced, pre-salted adult food is of little cost to families. I ask the Minister: are family hubs being encouraged to help parents learn how to cook?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I definitely understand where the noble Lord is coming from and also share the view about where he wishes to get to on this. Cooking lessons have not been specifically included in the programme, as I believe he may be aware, but the Start for Life website and email programme has advice for parents and carers, including healthy recipes and videos on weaning babies and feeding toddlers, and that has recently been updated.

I hope the noble Lord will welcome the fact that the family hubs and the Start for Life programme are central to the Government’s ambition to raise the healthiest generation of children. That is why we are investing approximately £57 million this year, including £18.5 million for infant feeding support.

[Baroness Boycott (CB)]

My Lords, one area that goes under the radar is sponsorship of big sports events. The Olympics has Coca Cola and McDonald’s; many other Olympic sports have things such as Monster. In particular, rugby has Red Bull. The recommended daily allowance of sugar for a child is a maximum of 24 grams. A single can of Red Bull contains not only coffee but 27 grams of sugar. It is completely anti-health, yet we allow these adverts to be all over our televisions. Some 25 years ago, the noble Baroness’s Government took the brave decision to take all cigarettes off any sporting activity. Will this Government think about doing the same for soft drinks that actually make children ill, not healthy?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

As the noble Baroness is aware, we continue to support the levy on sugar in drinks. That has actually had success, not least with reformulation. On the point about advertising to which the noble Baroness referred, as I have said, we are committed to bringing in the advertising ban, which will be in place in January. Indeed, industry—TV and online advertising—has already agreed to implement what will be in the regulations earlier than that.

Marketing sponsorship is a much broader point, but again it is one we take very seriously and continue to keep our eye on. I cannot give the noble Baroness the reassurance she seeks today, but I can assure her how seriously we take the impact of advertising and branding and who it is aimed at, particularly where we seek to support better health for infants and young people.

[Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe (Lab)]

My Lords, I welcome the Government’s review of the so-called “fizzy tax” and the consultation that will end in July. Could the Minister tell me whether this extends to and covers these pouches, which are very heavy in sugar? If not, can a review take place to try to apply the same principles we have applied on the fizzy tax to the pouches?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

On the matter of new taxation, my noble friend will understand that it is above my pay grade and outside my department. However, we have worked closely with industry in this area. On the matter of pouches, there is already advice that parents should ensure, where children and infants are using them, that it would be better to use the contents through spoons, rather than the item at the end of the pouch, in order to help guard against dental decay. In working with industry, some brands are already taking action to improve their baby food products: for example, the amount of sugar in Heinz creamy rice pudding has been reduced by more than half and Heinz has changed its labelling, which now says pouches are suitable for those aged six months-plus. This is an example of the work we can do. Yes, we have to do more and I am very aware of the danger that sugar represents to the youngest in our community.

[Lord Kamall (Con)]

My Lords, when there are concerns about nutritional content, there are three, perhaps more, possible approaches. First, you could ban the product, although prohibition does not always work. Secondly, you could try nudging consumers towards healthier choices—maybe by taxation or restrictions. Thirdly, you could work with local community organisations. In addition to family hubs and Start for Life, many local community non-state civil society organisations work with local families to help them cook and eat healthily together as a family. Given what has been mentioned already, will the Minister tell us what work the Government are doing with such local community organisations, apart from Start for Life and family hubs, to make sure that civil society is playing its role in educating our children?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

On the three ways forward that the noble Lord identified, the approach often has to be a mix of all three. It is the balance that is the point under debate, and it has to be informed by evidence. I certainly share the noble Lord’s view about the importance of civil society and working with community groups. Indeed, my department, but also the Department for Education and other departments, have worked closely with community groups in order to advance the policies and practices we need to improve the health of the youngest in our communities.

[Lord Scriven (LD)]

My Lords, the Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition recommends that free sugars are limited for babies and toddlers, yet it reported that our children have excess sugars and 20% comes from snacks aimed at young children. How do the Government plan to ensure that manufacturers are taking actions that do not directly contribute to childhood obesity?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

Further to my answer to the last question, we are taking a multifaceted approach. The advice that we give to parents and carers is important, because the noble Lord raises a very important point about not overusing snacks. Although the regulations are roughly the same across the UK and the EU, in the UK we recommend that six months is the point of weaning, whereas across the EU it is four months. So there is some lack of clarity, although we are very clear about where snacks are not needed, which is up to the point of 12 months. We work to ensure not only that people have regulations for protection but that parents and carers are aware of what they should do in terms of providing a healthy and balanced diet for their children.

Health: Ultra-processed Food

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Tuesday 3rd June 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Sikka]

To ask His Majesty’s Government what steps they are taking to address health harms associated with ultra-processed food.

[The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health and Social Care (Baroness Merron) (Lab)]

My Lords, a nutritious diet is key to living a healthy life. Currently, there is insufficient evidence on the extent to which the processing of food itself negatively impacts health beyond poor nutritional content. We have commissioned research to further understand the health impacts of ultra-processed foods. We are focused on taking firm action to reduce the intake of foods and drinks that are high in saturated fat, salt or sugar, which also captures the majority of ultra-processed foods.

[Lord Sikka (Lab)]

My Lords, I thank the Minister. Research shows that ultra-processed food causes disease, disability and premature death. It costs the UK economy £268 billion a year, in the form of additional costs for the NHS and social care, welfare payments, productivity loss and lifelong human suffering. Instead of a free ride, manufacturers of ultra-processed food must bear the true cost of their trade. This could be in the form of a 5% levy on their turnover. Does the Minister agree and, if so, when will the Government introduce it?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I am interested to hear my noble friend’s suggestion. This Government do not have that as part of their plan. However, on my noble friend’s point about the need for research, I heard what he said about evidence, but that is not the evidence that I have available. I assure your Lordships’ House that the Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition repeatedly reviews evidence and assesses the impact of processed foods on health in position statements, and it has made two recent publications on that. We continue to invest in research on ultra-processed foods.

[Lord Krebs (CB)]

My Lords—

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[Lord Krebs (CB)]

My Lords, I declare my interests as recorded in the register. Last year, the author of the best-selling book Ultra-Processed People, Dr Chris van Tulleken, gave evidence to the Food, Diet and Obesity Select Committee, of which I had the privilege of being a member. He said that ultra-processed food

“is not a regulatory tool—I do not know anyone credible who is talking about using that definition to slap labels on things … the regulatory tool, in my view, should be fat, salt, sugar and calories”.

Does the Minister agree with Dr van Tulleken?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I am grateful to the noble Lord for bringing his expertise and commitment to this area. It is indeed the case that the majority of foods classified or considered as ultra-processed foods also tend to be high in calories, saturated fat, salt and sugar, for which there is more definitive evidence, as the noble Lord has referred to. It is the case that many UPFs are already captured by the Government’s considerable programme of work to improve the food environment.

[Lord McColl of Dulwich (Con)]

My Lords, I congratulate the Government in general, and the Minister in particular, on taking such a sensible view about the great red herring that is ultra-processed food. There is no scientific evidence that it specifically causes obesity. Obesity is caused by eating too much of anything, and the answer is to reduce the amount of food that people eat.

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I am grateful to the noble Lord for his appreciation of the Government’s efforts in this regard. I believe we have to consider the role of ultra-processed foods, but that has to be based on evidence and scientific truth, rather than speculation. That is why the Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition has shown concern but cannot prove a direct link. It is not necessarily about the processing, but we know that high fat, salt and sugar is a problem for healthy living, and that is mostly a very good description of UPFs.

[Lord Rennard (LD)]

My Lords, in February last year, the British Medical Journal reported research involving 10 million people that found evidence highly suggestive of diets rich in ultra-processed foods being linked with the increased risks of premature death, cardiovascular disease, mental health disorders, diabetes, obesity and sleep problems. What is the timescale for the Government’s further research on the dangers of ultra-processed foods? How will reversing aspects of the ban on junk food advertising help?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

As the noble Lord will be aware, we are committed to implementing the TV and online advertising restrictions for less healthy foods and drinks. That is one of a number of steps that we are taking to tackle obesity, as per the question from the previous noble Lord. There is a direct link between advertising and intake, particularly with children, so I am glad that we will be introducing regulations to take effect in January—in fact, the industry has agreed to comply in advance of that, which shows a constructive approach. As for further information, the Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition will consider evidence again in 2026, next year, and make dietary recommendations. The Government continue to invest in research through the NIHR and the UKRI.

[Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle (GP)]

Further to the regulations that the Minister mentioned that are coming in January, the Labour manifesto promised to prohibit unhealthy food ads online and before 9 pm, which was to come into effect in October. Can the Minister confirm that the rules that are coming in January are in fact watered down and will not forbid the advertising of brands? Does she think that advertising a brand but not a product—say, McDonalds, Kentucky Fried Chicken or Greggs—will promote the consumption of fresh fruit and vegetables?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

First, I do not accept that the advertising restrictions represent any watering down. In May, a Written Ministerial Statement set out, to the noble Baroness’s point, that the Government will provide a brand exemption in legislation. The restrictions will come into force officially on 5 January. I realise that the noble Baroness regards this as not the position that she would choose, but I believe that it will provide certainty for businesses to invest in advertising campaigns with confidence and encourage them to develop more healthy products—that is the situation that we want—as well as protecting UK children from the harms of junk food advertising.

[Lord Kamall (Con)]

I thank the Minister for the answers that she has given so far on the evidence, because it is really important that any policy in this area is evidence led. When I looked at the British Heart Foundation website, I saw that it said that additives in ultra-processed foods

“could be responsible for negative health effects”

and that the

“actual processing of the food could … make a difference”.

It also says:

“Another … theory is that … ultra-processed foods could … affect our gut health”.


But what it says overall is that there is insufficient evidence here. We really need more research to be done. We are not sure whether it is something in the ultra-processed foods or the processing itself that makes them unhealthy. The Minister has touched on this already. We have talked about the timeframe for research, but when people are looking for a source to consider the dangers, or otherwise, of ultra-processed foods, are there any particular websites or sources that the Government could point people to, so that people are more aware of and more educated on the research on ultra-processed foods?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

The important point that the noble Lord raises is that our role is to encourage people to ensure that they are choosing a healthy diet and can achieve a healthy diet. As the noble Lord said, the word “could” is a bit of a problem. That is why we continue to invest in research and, as I say, work closely with the Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition.

[Lord Patel (CB)]

My Lords, several speakers have alluded to the evidence available that associates ultra-processed and processed food with disease or health conditions. Would the Minister agree that all the evidence cited is from observational studies? No studies report as a causative factor a direct link between processed and ultra-processed food and any disease—including the British Heart Foundation, the BMJ and the one that the noble Lord, Lord Sikka, mentioned. It is right that we should fund research that associates the causation of these food processes to disease.

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

The noble Lord is absolutely right. There is concern, and I am very aware of it, about the effect of ultra-processed foods, but nobody knows whether it is the processing or the content. What we do know is that it is definitely the content. We also know that high-fat, high-sugar and high-salt foods damage people’s health. Our focus is on what we know, and it is important that we continue to do that while researching what other links there may be.

Social Care Reform

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Thursday 22nd May 2025 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Pitkeathley]

To ask His Majesty’s Government what progress has been made in cross-party talks on the reform of social care.

[The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health and Social Care (Baroness Merron) (Lab)]

My Lords, the Government are facing up to the challenges of adult social care reform. The Prime Minister has tasked the noble Baroness, Lady Casey of Blackstock, to lead an independent commission into social care, a once-in-a-generation opportunity to transcend party politics. The noble Baroness is tasked with building cross-party consensus on her recommendations and is starting a national conversation on what is expected from social care.

[Baroness Pitkeathley (Lab)]

My Lords, history shows us that reform of social care is a contentious issue and political consensus has been notable by its absence—indeed, parties have used proposals as sticks to beat each other with—but there is agreement on two things: first, the system badly needs reform; and, secondly, this is a long-term project that cannot be solved in one Parliament but across several. In view of that, does my noble friend agree that achieving political consensus is a vital part of any reform of social care? Can she tell the House that this will be specifically included in the terms of reference for the review that the noble Baroness, Lady Casey, is carrying out?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

My noble friend makes very strong points, which I absolutely concur with. This is an issue that needs to be able to stand the test of time and changes, whether they be in leadership or of Government. That is why we are taking the approach that we are. My noble friend will have seen the terms of reference that have been published. They are deliberately broad because we are tasking the noble Baroness, Lady Casey, to lead the work fully independently, which is particularly important in seeking cross-party consensus. Indeed, the noble Baroness’s review is very much about having the conversations cross-party and seeking to bring people together across parties and across sectors and the many individuals who have an interest in this.

[Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Con)]

My Lords, is not the truth of the matter that there is a consensus between the parties? The Economic Affairs Committee of this House published a report some five years ago. There was unanimity across the House. There has since been another report. This setting up of commissions and so on is just to appease the Treasury, which refuses to provide the money that is needed for social care and is the key to cutting waiting lists and moving forward in the health service. Should not the Government just have the courage to commit to the resource that is necessary instead of kicking this into the long grass for another three years while elderly people and young people suffer from inadequate services and clog up beds in the health service?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I understand the noble Lord’s impatience—I am sure we share it—and I hear what he says, but I have to remind your Lordships’ House that the previous Government did not commit funding to their plans, and I am glad the noble Lord agreed with that. I do not accept the characterisation of this. As my noble friend Lady Pitkeathley said, it has to stand the test of time. We are not waiting to take action; we have already put a number of pieces of work in place to lay the groundwork, including additional funding for social care authorities, increasing the carer’s allowance weekly earnings limit and an extra £172 million for home adaptations. We are not just waiting for this report. By the way, I do not recognise the three-year characterisation because the first phase will report in 2026 and then there will be a further report back by 2028. I feel this is the right way forward.

[Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Con)]

Eight minus five is three.

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[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I understand that, but the noble Lord said we were just waiting until 2028, and I am not aligning myself with that.

[Baroness Walmsley (LD)]

It is recognised that any meaningful social care reform must deliver for unpaid carers. Will the Minister say what role carer organisations are playing in shaping these talks?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

Unpaid carers are key because they provide care and support to those who require care. The needs of unpaid carers will be very much part of the commission. I know that the noble Baroness, Lady Casey, will be speaking to relevant organisations and those with lived experience.

[Lord Turnberg (Lab)]

My Lords, can my noble friend give us an estimate of the number of vacancies in the care workforce and tell us whether there has been an assessment of the impact on the workforce of the restrictions on overseas recruitment for care workers?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I can say to my noble friend that the adult social care workforce is growing. Skills for Care data tells us that there has been an increase of 70,000 filled posts since 2022-23, that staff turnover is reducing and that the overall vacancy rate decreased to 8.3% in 2023-24 from 9.9% the previous year. While the direction is good, there is certainly more to do. As regards international care workers, it has indeed been factored in that we need a workforce, and that is one of the many reasons why the new measures that require care providers to prioritise recruiting international care workers are focused on those who are already in the UK, have visas and require new employment. I am sure we will talk about this as we discuss the Employment Rights Bill and all the directions it is taking to support professionalisation of the workforce and encourage those in the UK to take on adult social care roles.

[The Earl of Effingham (Con)]

My Lords, in July last year His Majesty’s Government scrapped the social care cap and curbed winter fuel payments. Sir Andrew Dilnot, author of the landmark Dilnot commission report on social care, said this was a “tragedy” and that

“we have failed another generation of families”.

With all due respect, the Government are doing a U-turn on the winter fuel payment; can the Minister rule out a U-turn on social care?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

Again, I do not recognise the characterisation of a U-turn on social care. The Prime Minister and the Secretary of State have been extremely clear, as I outlined earlier in response to the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, about why this commission is in place. When it was brought to this House previously, I recall that many noble Lords, although not all, were positive about it because they saw the opportunity—which the previous Government did not, not least because they did not fund its suggestions. This Government are absolutely committed to having a lasting, practical answer that involves everybody concerned and will be supported in the right way. I would have hoped that the noble Earl would welcome that.

[Baroness Watkins of Tavistock (CB)]

My Lords, can the Minister explain how cross-party consensus will be constructed in relation to local mayors and local authorities? For example, the leadership in Cornwall Council has just changed, and there are huge care needs in Cornwall. How will we ensure that other parties—those underrepresented in this and the other House—are involved?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

As I mentioned, the terms of reference for the noble Baroness, Lady Casey, are deliberately broad. She will set out how she will involve all those who are affected and have a voice, because she wants to make sure that it is a thorough report.

[Baroness Buscombe (Con)]

My Lords—

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[Baroness Andrews (Lab)]

My Lords, can the Minister tell us what progress has been made on addressing the problem faced by many unpaid carers who have been penalised, through no fault of their own, for having been paid too much because of technical failures in DWP? Are we making progress on addressing those very serious issues?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

Yes, the relevant officials and Ministers are working on that. I realise the difficulty it has caused and they, too, are very sensitive to that point. I will reflect my noble friend’s comments to my ministerial colleagues.

Healthy Life Expectancy

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Tuesday 20th May 2025 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Alexander of Cleveden]

To ask His Majesty’s Government what steps they are taking to reverse recent declines in healthy life expectancy, and to address poverty-related inequalities in life expectancy.

[The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health and Social Care (Baroness Merron) (Lab)]

My Lords, it is unacceptable that who you are or where you live can impact healthy life expectancy. Reversing the decline in healthy life expectancy is a core part of this Government’s health mission. There is a long way to go but we are making good progress—exceeding our pledge to deliver an extra two million operations, scans and appointments by delivering well over three million, and addressing major health risks that particularly impact more deprived areas.

[Baroness Alexander of Cleveden (Lab)]

I thank my noble friend for her Answer. She may be aware that, this morning, the Health Foundation published a new international benchmarking report. It highlights that, in the 2010s, in all parts of the UK outside London, mortality rates increasingly lagged behind progress in the other 21 countries in the study and that, by 2021, mortality rates in the north-east and north-west of the UK were 20% higher than in the south-west. In light of this, will the Government heed the Health Foundation’s call for a new health inequality strategy that has a particular focus on those parts of the country that have faced long-term industrial decline?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

My noble friend raises an extremely important point about inequality. The Health Foundation report focusing on the 2010s shines a light on the need to drive action, which we are doing across government through our missions, with a very ambitious goal and the right approach of halving the gap in healthy life expectancy between the richest and poorest regions. Although I am certainly very interested in what the Health Foundation report says, further strategy is not needed at this time because of the approach we are taking. But I assure my noble friend that in addressing health inequalities, including in areas of past industrial decline, we will be driving economic growth and removing health-related barriers to health, wealth and prosperity.

[Lord McColl of Dulwich (Con)]

My Lords, people are not living as long as they were because of the obesity epidemic, which is killing people at an earlier age from a variety of very unpleasant diseases. Does the Minister agree that there are a lot of pseudoscientists around putting out propaganda that people cannot exercise personal responsibility and therefore government action must be taken? Could it be that those people do not want to see the end of the obesity epidemic because they are making so much money out of it?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

The noble Lord always has interesting observations that I listen closely to. I certainly agree that obesity is a major contributor to ill health. Some 64% of the adult population is overweight or living with obesity, and it does indeed, as he says, pose a major health inequality issue. The approach has to be on many levels, and there is government action. For example, we have laid secondary legislation on TV and online advertising restrictions on less healthy foods. We got on with that because we thought it extremely important. Equally, we support people not just through policy or medical intervention, but by encouraging them to adopt a healthier lifestyle. The reasons why people are obese are complex, and we approach it in that way.

[The Lord Bishop of St Albans]

My Lords, I welcome His Majesty’s Government’s commitment to bringing forward a child poverty strategy. The interaction between mental ill-health and poverty is well known. Will the strategy address access to vital mental health support services, especially for those in more remote rural areas where they are difficult to access?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

The right reverend Prelate is quite right to draw attention to mental health impacts and the inequality of their incidence. As I mentioned, there has to be a cross-government approach because if we address it through health alone, we will not succeed. Factors such as poor housing, low income, worklessness and disability, as well as ill health and many other factors, affect healthy life expectancy. That is why we are approaching it not by a separate strategy, but by a mission-led approach.

[Baroness Barker (LD)]

Through the work of people such as Professor Michael Marmot, the Government know about the different incidences of ill health across the country. Retailers, particularly food retailers and high street pharmacies, know about the incidence of ill health way in advance of that because they have the data on consumption and purchasing behaviours. Will the Government work with them, particularly the large supermarkets, to increase the availability of data in advance, so that we can prevent some of the incidence of ill health rather than getting the NHS to pay for it when it has happened?

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[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

Prevention is certainly the best approach. As noble Lords will be aware, one of the three pillars of the published 10-year plan is moving from sickness to prevention, so that will feature very much in the plan. We work closely with industry to ensure that government can benefit from its information and its approach, and that we can bring industry along with us to ensure that, collectively, we are taking the best approach to making healthier foods available. We also have to make sure that people have the resource to have healthier foods, as well as information. It is, again, a many-pronged approach, but that is why it has to be a joined-up approach.

[Lord Patel (CB)]

My Lords, while accepting what the noble Baroness, Lady Alexander, and the Minister have said about social inequalities in health outcomes, there are other issues. For instance, period mortality affects life expectancy, so a male aged 65 will expect to live another 18.5 years and a female another 21 years. In turn, period life expectancy is affected by mortality rates so if you improve mortality rates, particularly for diseases where the rates are highest, you will improve life expectancy irrespective of social inequalities. That means that we need the health service to deliver high-quality care for those conditions which result in high mortality rates. Any forward plan or 10-year plan should address that issue. Does the Minister think that might be wise?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I do feel that that would be wise, and we as a Government have already shown that trajectory. To give just one example, smoking remains the preventable killer in our country, and the landmark Tobacco and Vapes Bill will deliver the ambition of a smoke-free UK. We will have a smoke-free generation and will gradually end the sale of tobacco products across the country. We have to break that cycle of addiction and disadvantage which is particularly focused on areas of greater disadvantage. As ever, the noble Lord speaks wise words.

[Baroness Stedman-Scott (Con)]

My Lords, as somebody who has embraced the healthier lifestyle and healthy eating—far later than I should have done—I have looked at every strategy in the book and found one that works. I draw the Minister’s attention to the fact that Japan has the highest life expectancy in the world at birth. Multiple studies have put this down to both healthy eating habits and a strong culture of exercise, both of which are reinforced during school. With Committee of the Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill beginning today, what steps will His Majesty’s Government be taking to ensure that our children receive better health and exercise education to emulate the success of Japan?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I congratulate the noble Baroness on being an example to us all. She referred to learning from international examples, including Japan, and indeed we do. We know that some 12 million adults and approximately 2 million children are not physically active enough, so we are developing targeted plans to help children build healthy eating habits and embed physical activity support into routines. We will continue to work closely with DfE on this.

NHS and Care Volunteer Responders Service

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Tuesday 20th May 2025 Lords Chamber

[The Earl of Effingham (Con)]

My Lords, the NHS and Care Volunteer Responders service has completed more than 2.7 million tasks and shifts, including more than 1.1 million telephone support calls, over the past five years. It provides volunteering support seven days a week, underpinned by wraparound support and assurance, as well as safeguarding, problem-solving teams and helplines running from 8 am to 8 pm. Volunteers are ID checked, have role guidance, hold DBS checks when required and have their expenses paid by the programme. How will the Government ensure that volunteering in the NHS and social care is encouraged and facilitated, given that the need for volunteers across the country remains acute? When will the new scheme begin operating and can the Government guarantee that existing patients will not be left in the lurch?

[The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health and Social Care (Baroness Merron) (Lab)]

I start by saying, as I am sure the noble Earl agrees, how grateful we are for the generous contribution made by volunteers. They play a vital role in supporting patients, staff and services in many ways. The national NHS and Care Volunteer Responders programme was first established as part of the Covid response, and the noble Earl helpfully set out its contribution. The fact is that a model that worked well in a national crisis is no longer the most cost-effective option, so there will be a new recruitment portal for NHS volunteers to be fully launched this year. This is all about expanding voluntary opportunities and getting more volunteer hours to further support patients even better than volunteers do already.

[Baroness Walmsley (LD)]

Where will the current funding for this programme go? Will it go into the new scheme the Minister has mentioned, or into community services or support for vulnerable groups, or will this result in some kind of cut to services?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I assure the noble Baroness that there is no intention that this will impact on services. As I mentioned, this is about getting value for money; the previous scheme did so during the Covid pandemic and just after, but we are in a totally different world now. All those who volunteered through the scheme that is being brought to an end will have been sent an email advising them how they can continue their volunteering—we do not want to lose people—and how it will be easier. The launch of the portal will provide a one-stop shop, overseen by NHS England. That is what will be funded. I hope that the noble Baroness and other noble Lords will find the website a much friendlier place through which they can volunteer.

[Baroness Brown of Silvertown (Lab)]

My Lords, can the Minister assure me that we will not use volunteers to plug the gap in NHS services and that people will get an appropriate level of care when they arrive at an NHS facility?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

My noble friend makes an important point and I can give her that assurance. For me, volunteering provides a different type of resource. For example, Mid Yorks is advertising for trolley volunteers, ward befriending volunteers and café volunteers. It is about supporting the staff in their efforts, and supporting patients. Volunteers have always had a role, and long may that continue.

[Baroness Coffey (Con)]

My Lords, if the Minister is concerned about the use of volunteers, will she then consider the role of community first responders? Responses by volunteers are included in measuring the response times of ambulances to 999 calls. Based on her logic, she should now exclude that from response times so that we get the required transparency.

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

This announcement does not affect transparency or services directly provided by the NHS. We are seeking to improve the volunteering offer to make it more cost-effective, and to retain, recruit and better utilise volunteers. I will look at the point the noble Baroness raises, but I emphasise my point to your Lordships’ House.

[Baroness Thornton (Lab)]

My Lords, I declare an interest as a non-executive director of the Whittington Hospital, which is my local hospital. It has a very strong volunteer scheme and is recruiting volunteers all the time. Can my noble friend the Minister assure me that this is about enhancing the work that is done locally, because most volunteers are recruited and most volunteering is done locally?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

My noble friend makes a very important point and I can certainly give her the assurance she seeks. Over 50,000 additional volunteers are recruited by NHS trusts, which they then support directly in the way my noble friend describes. Their roles are totally unaffected by the change to this programme. There are many thousands of volunteers who support the NHS directly or indirectly via other local and national voluntary sector organisations, and I pay tribute to them all.

[Baroness Finlay of Llandaff (CB)]

My Lords, I declare an interest as president of Attend. Can the Minister explain how, in the new system, the Government will work with an organisation such as Attend, which provides insurance, legal advice, financial services and networking to a whole series of agencies that provide volunteers across the country, to ensure that there are rigorously high standards and that those who volunteer are protected in their role, and that they benefit in addition to providing maximum benefit to the recipients?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

The noble Baroness raises an important point. I am sure there are many, like me, who have volunteered, or still volunteer, and gained as much as they gave, although they did not expect to. It is important to have standards, and to protect volunteers and everybody involved. That will be the case. A lot of local action builds relationships with local organisations, which is a very successful way of harnessing the benefits of volunteers and volunteering.

[Lord Balfe (Con)]

My Lords, I in no way denigrate volunteers, but can the Minister confirm that when a volunteer in a hospital comes across information about patients it has the same level of confidentiality as it would if it had been found by a member of staff, and that it is not acceptable for any information gathered by a volunteer to be used improperly?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I share the noble Lord’s view. Various directions are given to volunteers about how to behave when they receive information that may be to do with safeguarding, and where it should go. It is important that volunteers and staff do not keep it to themselves and that action is taken, so I can give the assurance that he seeks.

[Lord Sikka (Lab)]

My Lords, the Air Ambulance Service is a vital part of emergency care. It is a matter of concern and shame that one of the richest countries has to rely primarily on charitable donations, which cannot provide a consistent and stable service. I urge the Minister to ensure that the Air Ambulance Service is properly funded from the public purse.

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

There is a role for charitable organisations. One example is hospices. As I have been told many times in this Chamber, as well as outside it, many hospices and other charities, including air ambulances, welcome and relish the freedom they have as charities and do not want government funding or intervention. Of course, we very much respect and appreciate the role that the Air Ambulance Service plays. My own brother was saved some 10 years ago, so I feel very connected to this point. He is grateful, as am I.

[Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie (Con)]

My Lords, I hear what the Minister says—that this is about a new scheme that will encourage volunteers within the NHS. However, sadly, data shows that instances of volunteering are declining across this country. Does the Minister know what measures will be put in place to ensure that all the volunteers who are currently on the scheme that is going to be closed are supported into whatever the requirements are in the new scheme? Having to go through DBS checks again, reapplying or anything like that might just put barriers in the way of supporting people who are already valued into the new scheme.

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I understand that point. It is important to retain and develop people’s interest and commitment. The new portal will be a one-stop shop and will be much better at achieving what the noble Baroness and I seek. I know, having heard about it already, that it has functionality that is not there now. I cannot currently put in my postcode and find out what volunteering opportunities there are, which seems ever so basic—we do that on many other fronts. The new portal will allow that. In other words, the potential volunteers will find it much more accessible and will be matched better. The standards of recruitment will be higher and we will retain people. The noble Baroness makes a very good point—it is why NHSE has written to everybody on the old functionality.

Doncaster Royal Infirmary

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Monday 12th May 2025 Lords Chamber

[The Lord Bishop of Sheffield]

To ask His Majesty’s Government what assessment they have made of the impact of the conditions at Doncaster Royal Infirmary on patient care.

[The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health and Social Care (Baroness Merron) (Lab)]

My Lords, Doncaster Royal Infirmary has a backlog maintenance bill of approximately £114 million, and serious infrastructure issues are indeed presenting challenges to delivering high-quality patient care. Repairing and rebuilding our healthcare estate is vital in creating an NHS fit for the future. South Yorkshire ICB has been provisionally allocated more than £150 million in capital investment for 2025-26 to begin to tackle estate challenges, including the condition of DRI.

[The Lord Bishop of Sheffield]

I thank the Minister for her Answer. She may be aware that one recent estimate of the costs involved in bringing the infrastructure of DRI into good repair came to an eye-watering £478 million. In 2021, a water ingress into the electrical circuits in the maternity ward caused the evacuation of premature babies in incubators and women in labour. In 2023, the collapse of a significant portion of plaster work in a hospital corridor ceiling resulted in no human injury only by the providence of God. How does the Minister intend to monitor the conditions at DRI to ensure that any future deterioration does not put the safety of patients and staff at risk?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I am very aware of the unacceptable situation that the right reverend Prelate describes. I can confirm that, in terms of capital commitments, in 2025-26 the Government are backing NHS systems with over £4 billion in operational capital, £750 million of targeted estate-safety funding, which will be crucial to DRI, as well as £440 million to tackle crumbling RAAC. Why is this all so important? It is all about keeping staff, patients and their families safe, and it is also about providing the best possible care. I should say that the Doncaster and Bassetlaw Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, which DRI comes under, is discussing—indeed, it absolutely should be discussing—options with the ICB to steer the programme allocations towards DRI.

[Lord Scriven (LD)]

My Lords, system allocation guidelines of January this year state that systems will receive at least 80% of their 2025-26 core operational capital in each year of this Parliament, relative to their 2024-25 allocation. With many hospital buildings in serious financial capital backlog, why have the Government put in a system that could see some areas’ day-to-day capital allocation cut by 20%?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I can tell your Lordships’ House that we have inherited an undercapitalisation over the past few years, and it is essential—including to cut waiting lists and provide proper care—that we provide resources. However, the noble Lord is very aware of the extent of the backlog; it stands, according to the latest NHSE figures for 2022-23, at £13.8 billion. Even more worryingly, the critical infrastructure risk within that, which the highest-tier hospitals are wrestling with, is £7.6 billion. We have had to find the best route forward to be fair and efficient. Is it a major mountain to climb? Yes, it is. Are there various options for doing it? Yes, there are, but we believe that we have been as transparent and fair as we can be.

[Baroness Winterton of Doncaster (Lab)]

My Lords, I know that Secretary of State Wes Streeting is determined to increase NHS productivity. DRI’s bid for urgent work to the tower block would do just that; for example, by stroke services having a same-day emergency care centre linked to the in-patient ward with a knock-on effect on vascular services. That is all impossible with the current state of the hospital. Will my noble friend the Minister ensure that Ministers, officials and, crucially, the Treasury not only are aware of the patient safety concerns raised by the right reverend Prelate, but know that the DRI bid will increase productivity and efficiency, as well as improve patient care?

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[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

My noble friend is right about the effects of a poor estate. In addition to productivity, it very much affects safety, staff working conditions and capacity. The benefits are considerable, as she identifies—and indeed as the noble Lord, Lord Darzi, identified. I assure my noble friend that we are working across government—including with the Treasury and, to the right reverend Prelate’s point, with the local ICB and trust—to tackle this. My noble friend is aware that this Government committed nearly £20 million from the critical infrastructure risk fund to the hospital’s NHS foundation to move a section to the ground floor—not the part to which my noble friend referred, but it shows the seriousness with which we are taking this.

[Lord Kamall (Con)]

My Lords, the injection of capital to Doncaster Royal Infirmary is welcome. When the CQC inspected DRI in 2024, it found that the hospital

“did not have enough maternity staff with the right qualifications, skills, training, and experience to keep women safe from avoidable harm”.

While the Government develop their 10-year and workforce plans, what action are they taking in the meantime to address safety concerns from a lack of adequate staffing in maternity services? While we are on the subject, given the recently announced crackdowns on immigration and that many people who work in our health and care system are immigrants, how do the Government intend to encourage more British workers to fill vacancies in health and social care?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

On that point, I feel that the Government taking the backlog very seriously, against the background of what we have inherited, will make conditions far better for staff, which will make it a far more attractive place to work. That will be reflected when we report on the workforce plan. To the point about maternity, we are recruiting extra midwives and we are looking extremely closely at how we can better support best practice—as I saw just last week—how we can extend that and how we can bring better patient safety measures into the system. I am afraid that it is another area that we inherited in a difficult position, but noble Lords can be assured that we are working on it. I look forward to updating your Lordships’ House.

[Lord Scriven (LD)]

My Lords, I am going to come back at the Minister. I accept that the backlog is there. My question was: why have the Government put in a system that will reduce day-to-day capital expenditure, potentially by up to 20%, for some areas? That is this Government’s new plan. The Minister said at the Dispatch Box that the ICB in South Yorkshire has been allocated £150 million this year. It was allocated £161 million last year. How does this help Doncaster, Sheffield, Rotherham and Barnsley with their capital backlog?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I understand that the noble Lord is, as I am, very keen to resolve this situation, but the fact is that DRI is in an extremely difficult place, which was the reason for the right reverend Prelate’s Question. To pursue the particular point he made, I will be very pleased to come back to him. However, I emphasise that the Autumn Budget made exceptional support for capitalisation, which is not just for the physical estate but also the digital estate. DRI has, for example, been updating patient records on paper. That is not the way forward and they will now be digitally brought up to date. On his particular point, I will be very pleased to look into it further and come back to him.

Care Quality Commission: Mental Health Care Waiting Times

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Thursday 8th May 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Davies of Brixton]

To ask His Majesty’s Government how they intend to respond to the results of the survey undertaken by the Care Quality Commission, showing that people are waiting too long for mental health care.

[The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department of Health and Social Care (Baroness Merron) (Lab)]

My Lords, it is unacceptable that too many people are waiting too long for mental health care, as the Care Quality Commission survey makes clear. Mental health is a key priority for this Government. We are already transforming services, including through introducing new models of community-based care, recruiting 8,500 mental health workers and expanding mental health support teams so that we can provide access to specialist mental health professionals in every school.

[Lord Davies of Brixton (Lab)]

I thank my noble friend the Minister for her reply, and I welcome the progress that is being made. As she will be aware, yesterday the NHS Confederation published a report, based on research by the Centre for Mental Health, setting out urgent tasks that need to be undertaken. I know that she understands the need for parity of esteem; that could be marked by her giving the recommendations early consideration with a favourable turn of mind.

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I am aware of the very helpful report that my noble friend refers to. I acknowledge the challenges highlighted in that report and will certainly take into account the points it makes. I regularly meet with and listen to the sector on what we can do to improve outcomes and transform mental health services, and this report will of course feed into that.

[Baroness Tyler of Enfield (LD)]

My Lords, the NHS planning guidance for 2025-26 reduced the overall number of targets, including those for mental health, and the guidance given was of a fairly generalised and vague nature. In the absence of any such targets, what specific incentives are currently in the system for ICBs to prioritise improvements in mental health services?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

As the noble Baroness says, we reduced the number of targets on the basis of the recommendation by the noble Lord, Lord Darzi, that having so many targets was not delivering the results that we want. We have had to think boldly and innovatively. Since July 2023, NHS England has included waiting time metrics for referrals to urgent and community-based mental health services. I am looking at how we can drive improvements in quality and in the data to help services, particularly those with the most lengthy waits. I will also review the 2021-22 clinical review of standards to consider what else can be done to put mental health on a more equal footing, which it absolutely deserves.

[Baroness Wyld (Con)]

My Lords, what are the Government doing to improve access to perinatal mental health services? The Minister will appreciate the urgency, given that suicide remains a leading cause of maternal death.

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

It is particularly appropriate that the noble Baroness raises this issue, as it is Maternal Mental Health Awareness Week. Yesterday I was very glad to attend an event organised by the Maternal Mental Health Alliance, where I spoke to women about their experience and what has made—or not made—a difference to them. I know we are looking forward to a debate on this later in the year, but 41 maternal mental health services have already been set up to provide care for women with moderate, severe or complex mental health difficulties, and more than 62,000 women are reported to have accessed a specialist community perinatal mental health service or a maternal mental health service. Additionally, 165 beds have now been commissioned across England in 20 mother and baby units, providing in-patient care to women. But yes, we need to do more.

[Baroness Gohir (CB)]

My Lords, in some NHS trusts, autistic patients with learning needs and poor mental health are automatically opted into video and phone appointments, despite their communication needs. It feels as if the needs of the NHS and doctors working from home are prioritised over patient care. I know this from experience, because my son was repeatedly given video and phone appointments, even though I kept saying I wanted him to be seen in person. What can the Government do to ensure that there is a uniform approach across trusts, that patient care is prioritised and that guidelines are adhered to?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I thank the noble Baroness for raising her experience with her family. It is clear that patients are individual people and they need to be cared for and communicated with in the way that is appropriate to them. So I am sorry to hear what she reports; that is not what we expect. If she has not already provided the details, I will be pleased to look into the matter she raises, because it has repercussions across the whole system, as she rightly says.

[Baroness Berger (Lab)]

My Lords, the overwhelming majority of mental health conditions start in childhood and adolescence, and we need to do everything to give those children and young people the very best start in life. Yet, regrettably, we know that there are 35,000 children in this country who have been on a waiting list for two years or more. I listened closely to my noble friend on the excellent work that this Government are doing with the support teams in schools, but for those children and young people who have met the threshold for services, what more can be done to alleviate these unacceptable waits?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

I pay tribute to my noble friend for her contribution in supporting awareness and improved mental health, not just for young people but in maternity settings and across all mental health services. This morning I was at Alexandra Park School, where I saw what I regard as the exemplar for what my noble friend is talking about, because we need to prevent mental ill-health in young people. That is why we are extending the mental health support teams to ensure that every school has that available. While that is being developed, funding is available for mental health leads in schools. We are also working with local areas to ensure that they meet their obligations to the local community, which of course includes young people. I also feel that our Young Futures hubs will make a big difference. I agree with her: we have inherited a difficult position, but I assure your Lordships’ House that we are working to make progress, particularly for young people.

[Baroness Blackwood of North Oxford (Con)]

My Lords, what assessment has the department made of the benefits and risks of the growing trend that is being reported of those who are unable to access affordable mental health care therefore turning to AI platforms such as Grok and ChatGPT, which are of course unverified for this use?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

As the noble Baroness says, it is very important that people use the right support. Otherwise, there is immense danger in going for what is perhaps less suitable. To my knowledge, we have not made a particular assessment, but I will pick up the noble Baroness’s point, because it is very right. On a more positive note, we are—and I am particularly—looking at what support we can develop in a digital and online sense to support people, not just on waiting lists but to prevent ill health and assist in their recovery.

[Lord Kamall (Con)]

My Lords, given that there is a waiting list for mental health care, including community-based services, and given the many competing demands on public finances, what can the Minister tell the House about conversations that her department and local ICBs may well be having with local community non-state civil society organisations, including those that offer music, art, talking drama, dance and other therapies, to help those on the waiting list?

[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

As the noble Lord is aware, I regard the contribution of the community sector—the third sector—as absolutely crucial here. I personally work very closely, like the department more generally, both to improve our practice and to recognise the difference that the creative arts, for example, can add to people’s mental well-being, as the noble Lord says.

[The Lord Bishop of Leicester]

My Lords, in my own city of Leicester, some excellent work is being done with minority-ethnic communities in particular to help with access to mental health services. Nevertheless, significant inequalities remain. What more is being done to address those inequalities, particularly as they relate to people whose first language is not English?

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[Baroness Merron (Lab)]

What the right reverend Prelate raises is absolutely key: tackling inequalities in mental ill-health is so important. We know that some groups are more excluded than others, and this is taken into account in the preparation of the 10-year plan, which will be published over the next few months. I hope the right reverend Prelate will, like me, find that the 10-year plan addresses how we will tackle inequalities over the coming years—it will do so—because that is a key point.

Medical Devices (Amendment) (Great Britain) Regulations 2025

Baroness Merron Excerpts

Thursday 8th May 2025 Lords Chamber

Moved by

[Baroness Merron]

That the draft Regulations laid before the House on 3 March be approved.

Considered in Grand Committee on 6 May.

Motion agreed.