Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill (Fourth sitting)

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Committee stage
Wednesday 29th January 2025 Public Bill Committees

[Sean Woodcock (Banbury) (Lab)]

Q My question is to Dr Griffiths and Chelsea. We have had almost two days of evidence. Yesterday afternoon, we had practitioners from the States and, this morning, we had practitioners from Australia. The message they gave seemed to be very clear that coercion essentially does not happen in voluntary assisted dying. The message also was that those who went through it were people who wanted to—it was very appropriate for them and there were almost no issues. Can you explain why they are wrong, if you believe they are?

Dr Griffiths: That goes back to my previous point around how coercion can manifest in various different ways. One can be exposed to the societal pressure to feel that your life is no longer tolerable because of the struggles that you have in terms of accessing services, provision and support. We know from data that we have people in the community who are struggling to see their GPs or consultants associated with their conditions and changes in their conditions. The coercion, I feel, will come from how society is organised, and does not respond to the injustices faced by disabled people.

Also, there is a broader, slightly different issue, which is that there is nothing in the Bill, in my view, that satisfies the concern that—if it were to pass—you would create a network of practitioners who are sympathetic to the principles of assisted dying, and therefore, when somebody comes forward to say, “I want to die”, they will be more receptive to those ideas that the individual has. They will therefore facilitate their process through that, which I think undermines any attempts to have objective scrutiny of coercion that may occur. There is nothing that stops you from saying, “I know that there are these certain people I can go to who have either been public or have supported others to have access to this service. Therefore, that is my best chance of gaining access.” That then collapses all attempts to address issues of coercion.

Chelsea Roff: To add to what Miro is saying, we have seen in our study a more subtle form of influence, and sometimes it actually comes, tragically, from the clinicians themselves. We saw 95% of clinicians tell the patient and their family that they had an incurable, irremediable illness with a prognosis of six months or less in some cases. That has an influence on a person and does not cohere with the evidence on eating disorder recovery— in fact, we have no good ways of making prognosis in eating disorders. The only good prognostic indicator we have is weight restoration.

I would also highlight—relevant to here, where we live —that the all-party parliamentary group on eating disorders just put out a brilliant report on huge gaps in the care system. I am working with a person and a family right now, who has been to the Court of Protection, whose eating disorder team presented her and used the term “not treatable” to the judge, as well as the term “in the end stage of her illness”, and predicted that she would die within six months. Eighteen months later, she and her family are still fighting for treatment and are being denied services. That is the kind of coercion I am worried about, which happens within a healthcare system that I know many of you were elected to fix. That is what so many people have called for—to fix a broken NHS. That is not my choice in terminology—I love the NHS, but I think that is what we need to be worried about.

Clause 4(4) especially to me reads like a formula for coercion. A physician could say to a young woman with an eating disorder, “You have a severe and enduring eating disorder”, which you will not find in any diagnostic text, but is used frequently in these cases and in the Court of Protection. They could say, “We have done all we can. The treatment options are exhausted”—again, you will find that in the Court of Protection—and, “Your prognosis is poor”. It leaves you with a feeling that you have nothing left to choose from, especially if you are struggling to access services.

[The Chair]

I mean no discourtesy to the Committee, but we have 20 minutes, and 10 Members wishing to ask questions, so we have to move this on I am afraid.

NHS: Independent Investigation

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Thursday 12th September 2024 Commons Chamber

[Wes Streeting]

I am not sure that is a fair characterisation of Sir John Bell’s position. I have a huge amount of respect for him. I am grateful to Lord Darzi for writing the diagnosis. Given that the Conservative party was in government for 14 years, repeatedly promised to rebuild Hillingdon hospital and left my Department in a position where the money for the new hospitals programme ran out in March, the hon. Member has some brass neck to point the finger at us while he is in opposition.

[Sean Woodcock (Banbury) (Lab)]

In 2016, the Horton hospital in my constituency lost its consultant-led maternity unit—a temporary downgrade that ended up being made permanent three years later. Is it not about time that someone from the Conservative party apologised for the damage done to Banbury’s hospital, as well as to the NHS as a whole?

[Wes Streeting]

I am delighted to see my hon. Friend here. His constituents can already see that he is not backwards in coming forwards. He will stand up and champion their interests in this House as a great constituency MP. When it comes to the Conservative party, sorry seems to be the hardest word.

Oral Answers to Questions

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Tuesday 23rd July 2024 Commons Chamber

[Karin Smyth]

The hon. Gentleman makes a really important point about mental health support in that critical period. We will absolutely make sure that is looked at.

[Sean Woodcock (Banbury) (Lab)]

12. Whether he plans to hold discussions with NHS staff and patients on his plans for reforming NHS health and social care services.

[The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health and Social Care (Andrew Gwynne)]

I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Banbury—words I did not think I would ever say—and welcome him to his place. The answer to his question is yes. We do not just want to discuss with patients and staff; we want them to help shape the 10-year plan for the next decade of reform, which will take our NHS from the worst crisis in its history and make it fit for the future. Social care also needs to change. We will work with care workers and care users to build consensus for and shape a new national care service.

[Sean Woodcock]

Does the Minister agree that the voices of frontline staff, whether in hospitals such as the Horton general hospital in Banbury or carers like my mum, are still often ignored when it comes to whistleblowing? More worryingly, those voices are silenced by threats to report them to regulatory bodies. Does he agree that we need to level the field of accountability for managers who ignore whistleblowers, and that there should be a regulatory body with oversight of medical managers?

[Andrew Gwynne]

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. We have previously said that bank managers are more regulated than NHS managers. This Labour Government will pursue an agenda of greater accountability, transparency and candour when it comes to those making managerial and executive decisions in our national health service.

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[Wes Streeting]

I warmly welcome the hon. Member to her place. She is absolutely right to raise the plight of unpaid family carers. They are part of the team, as far as this Government are concerned, so as we set out our 10-year plan for social care as part of our ambition to build the national care service, we will make sure that unpaid family carers are very much at the centre of our thinking, in no small part thanks to her representations.

[Sean Woodcock (Banbury) (Lab)]

T4. The Keep the Horton General campaign in my constituency has recently catalogued the poor experiences of tens of Banbury-based mothers who gave birth at the John Radcliffe hospital in Oxford. Will the Secretary of State or a member of his team meet me to discuss these concerning reports of poor maternity care?

[Wes Streeting]

Of all the issues that keep me awake at night, maternity safety is top of the list. We have already heard about the staffing shortages and the actions we will take to address that, but I also want to reassure people that, as we build our 10-year plan for the NHS, patient voices, including those of recent and expectant mothers, will be part of that process.