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Health Bill (Second sitting) Debate
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(3Â months ago)
Public Bill Committees
Jo White
I was talking about bed-blocking in hospitals and how neighbourhood health plans can work more cohesively with hospital trusts.
Councillor Wright: I think we can answer this together. The whole point of neighbourhood health is to bring in everyone in the voluntary sector, your patient transport and all that, so that your joint strategic needs assessment has a good understanding of what is available to someone in the community when they come home. We talked before about having a strong single patient record so that good communication is there, and neighbourhood health is able to strengthen that. Neighbourhood health should be not just about shifting the need from hospital to community, but about reducing that need in the first place so that fewer people need to go to hospital. At the same time, we are seeing some good developments in the NHS, such as frailty teams and hospital at home teams, all of which help to prevent people from being admitted to hospital in the first place, and to ensure that when people come home, there is a team to visit them.
You are right about the communication issue, although it has not been an issue where I am, as we have very good communication with our local ICB about the people being discharged, to make sure that someone is there to meet them and that nurses come out to see them when they come home—I cannot remember the word for that. We have the right systems in place and they are working. I do not know how neighbourhood health will work everywhere, but in our borough we have a step-down unit called Heathlands, which people quite often go to when they come out of hospital and which does quite a lot of rehabilitation. That already starts the plan to get them home: to go from hospital, to the step-down place and then to home. It is about having good systems in place, all of which should hopefully be supported by neighbourhood health, which should have a good knowledge of what is available locally.
Sally Burlington: It should definitely help, if it works well; we should see more capability and capacity available in the community, closer to where people live, to help them when they come out of hospital. There is a lot of good practice and understanding about good discharge and how you plan from the point that somebody is admitted to when they come out of hospital. The emphasis on integrated neighbourhood teams will be important. It would be helpful if we could all remember that those must include social care and wider local government services and connections in to those, not just integration within NHS teams. It is definitely a positive step forward and, if we can try to make sure that the relationships between health, social care, public health and wider services are brought to life in neighbourhood health, that will help us in this way and in lots of others.
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Sally Burlington: As I understand it, the safeguards around data sharing remain in place under the Bill—they do not change. The part of the single patient record that is really attractive to our world is that people will not have to repeat themselves to every professional they meet; they will not have to tell their story again and again or be retraumatised by explaining the detail of what they have been through.
The potential advantages are there, but there are obviously concerns about data protection and how data is used. It is incumbent on us all to take those seriously, think them through and make sure that safeguards are appropriately implemented locally and in all the institutions that have access. That is probably a matter less for the Bill and more for the implementation and supporting regulations, but we and other partners will be keen to be a part of that process to make sure that the safeguards are appropriate.
Laura Kyrke-Smith
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Maria Higson: I think we are all agreed that working at the neighbourhood level is absolutely the right way to go about that. That is where health inequalities can best be addressed, because that can be most nuanced and tailored. Working on that smaller footprint is really important. You mentioned voluntary, community and social enterprise organisations, and I think that is a hugely important part that has broadly been missed out from the conversation around these changes. We work closely with VCSE partners and we know they deliver huge amounts for the communities and understand the communities in which they are embedded very well, so making sure that the VCSE voice is part of those neighbourhood teams will be important for that nuance and tailoring in the local element.
Councillor Wright: I agree entirely. Local authorities are in a good position to engage the voluntary and community sector. But again, we are fighting for a voice with the NHS and they are fighting for a voice with us, so we need some honest conversations with ICBs, and a real strategy looking at those health inequalities and what is driving them. It will not purely be access to hospitals; it will also be access to meaningful employment, housing, transport, mental health or social isolation—there will be so much driving those wider determinants of health that are affecting healthy life expectancy. Local authorities are in a prime position to do that, and they need to be listened to. I think the challenge will be how we collectively say, “What needs to be done, other than implementing the Bill? How do we look at the whole health inequality picture and address it?”
Sally Burlington: I would agree with the others: tackling health inequalities is really difficult. Doing it the same way in every area would not work, particularly in a world where there is not enough resource to do everything we would all like to do. You have to tailor how you approach local service delivery and what is needed locally according to local needs, the local community capability, how people work and what their preferences are locally, and the neighbourhood health agenda is our best shot at tailoring in that way.
I think you will come on to Healthwatch, but we would have concerns that, in separating the Healthwatch duties to look at NHS and social care, we risk missing some of those who are most likely to need both, and that that could exacerbate health inequalities rather than make them better.
Health Bill (Twelfth sitting) Debate
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(2Â months, 2Â weeks ago)
Public Bill CommitteesClause 59 provides for the abolition of the Health Services Safety Investigations Body and the transfer of its functions to the Care Quality Commission.
Under the new arrangements, the Care Quality Commission will assume responsibility for carrying out investigations into incidents that have or may have implications for patient safety. It is really important to stress that the core purpose of that function remains unchanged: to identify systemic risks, support learning and drive improvements in the safety of health services, rather than determine blame or liability. It is a central measure in strengthening the framework for patient safety investigations and ensuring a more coherent and effective system for learning from incidents across health services.
With more than 70 types of channels or organisations through which patients or users can share feedback, the current landscape has led to fragmentation between investigation, regulation and improvement activity, thereby diluting the impact that insights from investigations might otherwise achieve. HSSIB has been isolated, undermining its efficacy. We will bring HSSIB into the mainstream as a core but distinct part of the CQC. That will enable HSSIB to use its functions more strategically, working in partnership with the national quality board. Clause 59 achieves that by conferring responsibility for those investigatory functions on to the Care Quality Commission through the provisions set out in schedule 8. In doing so, it embeds a comprehensive investigatory framework with an established statutory regulator.
The CQC will be one organisation with separate functions—a regulatory function and an investigative function—to preserve the integrity of each. Within the CQC, HSSIB will continue to operate as a discrete unit and retain its independence from providers, allowing it to identify learnings and take a no-blame approach.
The Minister will recall that in evidence, Dr Rosie Benneyworth, interim chief executive officer of HSSIB, spoke about the vital work of the organisation, especially with regard to investigations where vulnerable staff and workers do not feel confident about coming forward for fear of reprisal. HSSIB did great work in that area, and I am wondering whether the CQC will carry it on and take on board that learning.
Janet Daby
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(2Â weeks, 1Â day ago)
Commons ChamberMy right hon. Friend is absolutely right: the Government are spending millions of pounds and there is no plan. The measure was announced without working that out, it came as a surprise to many within the system, and it has had a chilling effect on many decisions.
That is not isolated. Just today, we had the complete shambles of local government reorganisation. On the last day before the summer recess, the then Secretary of State rushed to the House to push through an announcement, which the new Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government is now reversing, while the Chief Secretary to the Treasury is contradicting her by saying that the Government want to have a higher legal appetite for risk and fewer consultations. There is confusion across Departments, and the issues with clause 1, which a number of Members have spoken to, illustrate that.
Given the time limit, I will turn to clause 6. I do not doubt for a minute that the Health Minister and the Secretary of State—anyone in the Department—want to promote innovation. My right hon. Friend the Member for Godalming and Ash (Sir Jeremy Hunt) spoke a lot about capital to revenue switches in his book, and the pressure that takes away from innovation. As Health Secretary, I used to have a wry smile at the battles I had with him, when I was pushed by the Treasury to do exactly the same thing. The issue is not the lack of will; the issue is the alignment between procurement, regulation and clinical leadership, particularly in the colleges, as well as the ability to scale innovation—it is not about having more ministerial pilots.
Finally, because I am almost out of time, I will pick up on the Chair of the Health and Social Care Committee’s good points around data. When I was in the Department, my frustration was that I often had to go on open-source dashboards to get information that should have been available to me as a Minister, and I suspect that that is still the case. We should make data dashboards a common theme—the CSV files that the Department publishes are extremely difficult to access. Make data more transparent; it will help the debate in Parliament and, I dare say, it will help Ministers get more support.
I thank the Minister for the Bill. I put it on record that I am chair of the all-party parliamentary group on sickle cell and thalassaemia. I rise to speak to new clause 162. It is well known that the NHS commissions specialised services unevenly across England. I am confident that this Government’s ambition is to end the postcode lottery of specialised services, and I would like to hear more about that. New clause 162 is designed to do something simple: to ensure that Parliament can identify where inequalities exist, measure where they are improving and hold the Secretary of State to account when they are not.
I will make the case for the provision through the experience of people who live with sickle cell. Sickle cell disorder is the fastest growing serious genetic condition in England. It causes episodes of serious chronic pain, spasms and a crisis that will continue if left untreated. It can damage organs and frequently requires hospital care. When the crisis strikes, patients have to attend A&E and wait for hours, often only to be seen by medical staff who may have little or no familiarity with their condition. Due to past experiences, many sufferers do not trust the NHS to meet their needs, and stories of sufferers who have died in hospital due to complications, such as Evan Nathan Smith, are well known.
In 2021, the “No One’s Listening” report demonstrated that people with sickle cell need to be listened to. That report prompted NHS England to act. It initiated the sick cell and thalassaemia quality improvement programme, from which came seven pilot emergency department bypass units. These dedicated facilities allow sickle cell patients to avoid A&E and receive immediate care to bring a crisis under control. The service works, but there is a problem, which brings me to the new clause. When the APPG met last week, we heard from stakeholders that this progress is fragile. There are only seven bypass units across the country, and with the transfer of commissioning responsibilities under the Bill, there is a real and legitimate fear that what has just begun to be built will not be protected to continue.
Ben Coleman
I am also a member of the APPG, and I was also at that meeting. On the Health Committee, we raised the point about these short-term pilots, and we managed to get an extra year’s funding. I have to say—I will say this as the person I am—that I feel that if this was a problem that predominantly affected white people instead of black people, it would be taken a lot more seriously. I think that the Government need to reflect on that when they are deciding whether to accept this amendment and whether they wish to give sickle cell sufferers the full support that they need, which they are not getting.
I thank my hon. Friend. He could not have said that more clearly. This is absolutely about inequalities in the health service. He has explained and expressed that extremely well. I know that he, like me, will continue to advocate for people from ethnic minority and diverse backgrounds.
New clause 162 would require the Secretary of State to do two things: first, to lay an annual report before Parliament on the performance of specialised services against national standards; secondly, to ensure the regular publication of data on quality and outcomes of the kind currently captured in the specialised services quality dashboards, which NHS England has maintained on a non-statutory basis. Without legislation, those dashboards could quietly disappear when NHS England does, and that must not happen. The new clause would make their continuation, or the continuation of something equivalent, a legal requirement.
I want to be clear about the modesty of this ask. We are not asking the Government to build new services, ringfence budgets or second-guess local commissioning decisions. We are asking them to measure, publish and report, in order to ensure basic accountability for patients with rare conditions, and for geographically dispersed people, predominantly from black and minority ethnic backgrounds, so that they have services that work.
The patients who rely on specialised services are often marginalised twice over: once by their condition, and again by a system that does not always see them clearly. New clause 162 would require the Secretary of State to identify them, and to report back to this House on what they find. I urge the Government to take this new clause seriously and to respond appropriately.
Steff Aquarone (North Norfolk) (LD)
Amendment 19 closes a dangerous gap in the Bill and commands the support of Members from across the House. It is right that clause 4 calls for the Health Secretary to reduce inequality of access to health services, but the Bill must explicitly cover rural and coastal health inequalities, or else less densely populated communities will always lose.
At face value, it makes sense to measure success by the greatest number helped; however, in the long run, that is a false economy, as delayed diagnosis and treatment ultimately cost the NHS more. It is a little bit like access to high-speed broadband—we rolled out the first phase to the places where the most people could be connected, which rewarded the Government and providers with some impressive-sounding numbers while disguising failure in the margins. Rural and coastal communities are literally and politically at the end of the line, and are therefore reached last.