Oral Answers to Questions Debate

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Department: HM Treasury

Oral Answers to Questions

Stewart Hosie Excerpts
Tuesday 7th February 2023

(1 year, 10 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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I call SNP spokesperson.

Stewart Hosie Portrait Stewart Hosie (Dundee East) (SNP)
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I have a constituent with a number of shops. He has seen his four-weekly energy costs rise from £12,000 last October to £27,000 today. Moving on to lower tariffs, but with the reduced energy support, he will still see that £12,000 every four weeks doubled, to £24,000. What advice would the Minister give to my constituent? How would he find the £140,000 off the bottom line in a business already operating on tight margins?

James Cartlidge Portrait James Cartlidge
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With great respect to the right hon. Gentleman, he was there when I gave the statement about the new scheme. I was clear with him about the fiscal position overall. He is welcome to write to me on that specific case. Obviously, I cannot comment on the detail of that individual case. What I can say is that we continue to put in place up to £5.5 billion of support with the energy bills discount scheme. That is a significant intervention and it remains a universal scheme with targeted support for the most energy and trade-intensive sectors.

Stewart Hosie Portrait Stewart Hosie
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Therein lies the problem: this will go to high energy users. The Federation of Small Businesses described the changes as “catastrophic” and

the beginning of the end for tens of thousands of small businesses”,

the British Chambers of Commerce said that

“an 85% drop in the financial envelope of support will fall short for thousands of UK businesses who are seriously struggling”,

and UKHospitality criticised the sudden and sharp drop in support, estimating the move would cost that sector £4.5 billion in the next 12 months. Why does the Minister think they were all wrong and he is right?

James Cartlidge Portrait James Cartlidge
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As I said to the hon. Member for Airdrie and Shotts (Ms Qaisar), we were clear when we created the scheme to support businesses with their energy bills that it had to be time limited because of the generosity of the support—£18 billion over six months. We were absolutely transparent about that. But we have maintained a universal scheme covering businesses, charities and the public sector. Yes, it is less generous, but it remains significant. As I said, he is welcome to write to me with the specific case he raised.