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Department: Ministry of Defence

Oral Answers to Questions

Nick Harvey Excerpts
Monday 4th July 2011

(13 years, 5 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Robert Halfon Portrait Robert Halfon (Harlow) (Con)
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16. What recent assessment he has made of the security situation in the middle east and north Africa; and if he will make a statement.

Nick Harvey Portrait The Minister for the Armed Forces (Nick Harvey)
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As the Foreign Secretary has said, demands for greater political, social and economic participation will continue in the middle east and north Africa. We assess that the security situation will remain fragile unless Governments in the region work to fulfil the aspirations of their people.

Karen Lumley Portrait Karen Lumley
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Will my hon. Friend assure the House that the UK has sufficient resources in place to honour its commitment under UN Security Council resolution 1973 and continue operations in Libya for as long as is necessary?

Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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I am pleased to give precisely that confirmation. As the Chief of the Defence Staff has said, we can sustain the operation for as long as necessary. We have flexible and adaptable forces. That is not to say that sustaining operations will not put stress on people and assets, but we are perfectly capable of doing so, and nobody should be in any doubt about our determination.

Paul Uppal Portrait Paul Uppal
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It is as well to remind the House that the international community came together to avert an injustice and a massacre in Benghazi. Does my hon. Friend agree that it is essential that we keep that international community cohesion and effort on this most pressing issue?

Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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My hon. Friend makes a good point. The international community acted very speedily to deter the threat to civilian life in Libya. The sustaining of that effort in Libya is absolutely international in nature. It is essential to a successful outcome that all involved retain that cohesion and determination of purpose, and that all involved plan for what will follow, which was questioned a minute ago.

Robert Halfon Portrait Robert Halfon (Harlow) (Con)
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Does my hon. Friend agree that a Palestinian state with Hamas in part control is a major defence threat, not just to Israel but to the wider region? Does he also agree that there should be no recognition of a Palestinian state until Hamas recognises Israel’s right to exist, renounces violence and recognises existing treaties?

Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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John Bercow Portrait Mr Speaker
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Order. I am sure the Minister will answer with reference to the responsibilities of the Ministry of Defence.

Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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Those are pre-eminently matters of foreign policy which my hon. Friend should put to the Foreign Secretary, who will have heard the question and will reflect upon it.

Denis MacShane Portrait Mr Denis MacShane (Rotherham) (Lab)
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In terms of the killing of civilians, torture, repression, and the export and support of terrorism, does the Ministry of Defence draw any distinction between Colonel Gaddafi and Bashar al-Assad of Syria; and if so, what is it?

Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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Again, that is predominantly a question of foreign policy, but clearly the foreign policy circumstances are very different in the two countries. In the case of Libya, a regional power invited an intervention and a UN Security Council resolution authorised all necessary force. In the case of Syria, no regional body is inviting an intervention; more to the point, as yet, there has been no progress on a UN resolution, although the UK has a draft before the UN.

Keith Vaz Portrait Keith Vaz (Leicester East) (Lab)
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As the Minister knows, the situation in Yemen is now critical. Have the Government received any request from the acting President of Yemen for military assistance by way of advisers or any other assistance whatever?

Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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I can confirm that we have received no such requests.

Nick Smith Portrait Nick Smith (Blaenau Gwent) (Lab)
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Does the Minister recognise that new threats to the UK following the Arab spring make the national security strategy out of date? Will he update the strategy in the light of those recent events?

Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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The national security strategy anticipated a variety of threats from different parts of the globe throughout its 10-year time frame. It proposed that we should have flexible and adaptable forces that are capable of responding to different scenarios in different ways at different times. The momentum of activity following the uprisings in north Africa and the middle east has called us into action, but that action has so far shown to be perfectly manageable within the arrangement that the strategic defence and security review laid down. No reason has been provided at this stage for anybody to contemplate a different arrangement.

Jack Lopresti Portrait Jack Lopresti (Filton and Bradley Stoke) (Con)
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4. What steps his Department is taking to promote defence exports.

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Nick Harvey Portrait The Minister for the Armed Forces (Nick Harvey)
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As we set out in the strategic defence and security review, under Future Force 2020 the future surface Navy will have a world-class carrier strike capability, with 19 frigates and destroyers, including the state-of-the-art Type 45 destroyer; an amphibious fleet able to land and sustain a commando group from the sea; 14 mine countermeasures vessels; a global oceanographic survey capability; and a fleet of resupply and refuelling vessels. Work is also under way on the requirements and design of the Type 26 global combat ship, our next generation frigate.

Julian Lewis Portrait Dr Lewis
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I am encouraged by that response. Does the Minister remember when he and I sat on parallel Opposition Benches under the previous Government as the size of the frigate and destroyer fleet went down successively from 35 to 32 to 31 to 25 and then to 19? Will he specifically confirm that that figure of 19 frigates and destroyers will not be reduced to a pathetically inadequate baker’s dozen, as posited in some parts of the press?

Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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I can certainly confirm that the situation remains unchanged from the SDSR. The future force will comprise 19 destroyers and frigates. It was a matter of great regret that the Government had to make a range of cuts in the SDSR, but that was a result of the general economic climate and, specifically, of the defence black hole that we inherited.

Lord Beamish Portrait Mr Kevan Jones (North Durham) (Lab)
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On the size of the surface fleet, the First Sea Lord told the Defence Committee on 11 May:

“We would be challenged to find further platforms to rotate through, and to continue to maintain the overseas commitments that are standard operating requirements.”

Will the Minister tell the House exactly how the Royal Navy will sustain its operations in Libya, and what impact those operations are having on the Royal Navy’s ability to deliver what was set out in the SDSR?

Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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As I said in answer to an earlier question, there is no denying that the pace and longevity of operations in Libya put a stress on the fleet. However, the Libyan operation is a high priority, and we will ensure that it has the necessary resources. HMS Liverpool remains on task in the Mediterranean in support of the NATO-led operations. We have plans for her relief in due course but, for operational security reasons, I am not going to say which ship will be involved.

Philip Hollobone Portrait Mr Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con)
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7. What assessment he has made of the Typhoon and Apache platforms in Operation Ellamy.

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Simon Hughes Portrait Simon Hughes (Bermondsey and Old Southwark) (LD)
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13. What input his Department has had to the arms export review being undertaken by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

Nick Harvey Portrait The Minister for the Armed Forces (Nick Harvey)
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MOD officials have engaged with Foreign Office colleagues on the review of export licensing previously announced on 16 March by the Foreign Secretary.

Simon Hughes Portrait Simon Hughes
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Given the considerable interest that there has been in export licences in relation to the middle east and north Africa, and the desire of many of our constituents to see a change in the old regime and system and a reduction in arms sales abroad, will my hon. Friend tell us whether we are likely to have the results of the review before the summer recess, and whether we will have an opportunity to debate them on the Floor of the House?

Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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I understand that the intention is to publish the findings of the review before the summer recess, but whether there will be the opportunity to debate them in the House is not a matter for me. I assure my right hon. Friend, however, that we continue to operate on a case-by-case basis in the middle east in relation to fresh applications for export licences.

Duncan Hames Portrait Duncan Hames (Chippenham) (LD)
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The recent joint report by the Committees on Arms Export Controls recommended that the Government publish a full statement on how they apply criterion 8 relating to sustainable economic development when making decisions about arms export licences. Will the Minister give his commitment that the Department will follow and adopt that recommendation?

Nick Harvey Portrait Nick Harvey
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I must make it clear that the responsibility for defence export licences lies with the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, which consults the Foreign Office on specific criteria and the Ministry of Defence on other criteria. I assure my hon. Friend that, in so far as is relevant to the issues on which we are asked to advise, the Ministry of Defence agrees entirely with the points that he makes, but such matters are pre-eminently for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills.

David Rutley Portrait David Rutley (Macclesfield) (Con)
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15. What recent assessment he has made of the security situation in Afghanistan; and if he will make a statement.

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Neil Carmichael Portrait Neil Carmichael (Stroud) (Con)
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T5. My constituency is home to a large number of reserve armed forces members, who welcome the review of their role. May I ask the Secretary of State whether that review will recognise their capacity, capabilities and willingness to integrate with the regular armed forces?

Nick Harvey Portrait The Minister for the Armed Forces (Nick Harvey)
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I entirely agree with my hon. Friend about the excellent work done by our reserve forces. I have been thoroughly impressed with the commitment and skill that they have shown when I have met them, including in Afghanistan. As he knows, a review is being led by the Vice-Chief of the Defence staff and my hon. Friend the Member for Canterbury (Mr Brazier), and their report is in the process of being finalised. I expect them to deliver that report shortly and it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time.

Dan Jarvis Portrait Dan Jarvis (Barnsley Central) (Lab)
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Will the Secretary of State confirm whether he has any plans to reduce the size of the Army post-2015?