Debates between Steve Barclay and Toby Perkins during the 2017-2019 Parliament

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Debate between Steve Barclay and Toby Perkins
Tuesday 23rd October 2018

(5 years, 6 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Toby Perkins Portrait Toby Perkins (Chesterfield) (Lab)
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The service from the East Midlands Ambulance Service NHS Trust has been a considerable disappointment for many of my constituents in recent months. When I met them about the service, they told me that on a huge number of occasions they have ambulances sat waiting outside accident and emergency departments, rather than getting to the next call. What more can the Government do to make sure we get these A&Es cleared?

Steve Barclay Portrait Stephen Barclay
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The hon. Gentleman is right to say that we need to improve those handovers. We have improvement programmes in place at 11 hospital sites in the east midlands, alongside which we are making a £4.9 million investment in 37 new ambulances. Part of this is also about the length of stay and addressing the pathway.

Derbyshire CCGs’ Finances

Debate between Steve Barclay and Toby Perkins
Tuesday 4th September 2018

(5 years, 8 months ago)

Westminster Hall
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Steve Barclay Portrait Stephen Barclay
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I was just about to come on to the voluntary sector, because that is where the hon. Lady’s speech started, but in her remarks she talked about the four CCGs coming together as part of the “efficiencies of scale”—her precise phrase—so I shall come back to the voluntary sector later.

Toby Perkins Portrait Toby Perkins
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I am probably in the position of largely agreeing with the Minister. I remember that, back in 2010, we had the Derbyshire primary care trust, but then the Lansley reforms came in, broke up the PCT and turned it into five different organisations in North Derbyshire. Can he imagine how galling it is for us to hear that those organisations, which went from a very strong financial position back in 2010, are now in utter financial chaos, so the Government are going to undo the Lansley reforms and to get those economies of scale that we were telling them about back in 2010?

Steve Barclay Portrait Stephen Barclay
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There seems to be a slight contradiction in the hon. Gentleman’s argument. He is arguing that, on the one hand, the financial position was strong in 2016—I remind him simply that the Lansley reforms were in 2012—and, on the other hand, that the issue is with the Lansley reforms.

Toby Perkins Portrait Toby Perkins
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May I make a point of clarification, because the Minister is misquoting me? I said that the financial position was strong in 2010, not in 2016.