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Department: HM Treasury

Oral Answers to Questions

Mark Hoban Excerpts
Tuesday 24th January 2012

(12 years, 10 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Seema Malhotra Portrait Seema Malhotra (Feltham and Heston) (Lab/Co-op)
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5. What assessment he has made of the Office for Budget Responsibility’s most recent forecast of levels of unemployment in 2012.

Mark Hoban Portrait The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Mr Mark Hoban)
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In line with the weaker outlook for gross domestic product growth, the OBR has revised up the projected level of unemployment over the near term, peaking at the end of this year before falling. In the autumn statement, the Government committed to important new steps to support private sector job creation and reduce unemployment, such as nearly £1 billion for the youth contract; an initial £1 billion for the regional growth fund; and a £21 billion package of credit easing to support firms and encourage job creation.

Seema Malhotra Portrait Seema Malhotra
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I thank the Minister for his answer. The youth claimant count last year in my constituency of Feltham and Heston rose 25.2%. The long-term claimant count for over-50s rose 48%. Both statistics are more than twice the UK average. What measures have the Government taken to tackle unemployment in Feltham and Heston, and when does he expect the number of unemployed to fall?

Mark Hoban Portrait Mr Hoban
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The hon. Lady makes an important point, but let me be clear: as she will know, youth unemployment in her constituency peaked in December 2009—it is actually lower today than it was then. No one should be complacent about youth unemployment, but she should recognise, as the right hon. Member for South Shields (David Miliband) did, that youth unemployment is not a problem that this Government created, and that it is a long-term challenge and grew even when the economy was booming. We are taking steps—such as the youth contract and boosting the number of apprenticeship places—that will benefit every constituency in the country, including hers.

John Redwood Portrait Mr John Redwood (Wokingham) (Con)
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When will we see more of the details of the credit easing scheme and what is the Minister’s forecast of the monthly draw-down for the rest of this year?

Mark Hoban Portrait Mr Hoban
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We are working with banks on the details behind the national loan guarantee scheme. We have set aside £20 billion to enable the rates that are charged to small businesses to fall by up to 1%. The utilisation of the scheme will very much be driven by the demand from businesses for debt finance.

Owen Smith Portrait Owen Smith (Pontypridd) (Lab)
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Yesterday the Chief Secretary appeared not to know too much about what the Work programme was going to do to deal with unemployment. This morning, the National Audit Office tells us that the programme will fail to get a third of the people the Government are targeting back into work. Can Ministers now tell us how much extra this latest failure to tackle unemployment will cost the Exchequer?

Mark Hoban Portrait Mr Hoban
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The NAO’s report this morning was based on guesswork. The scheme has not been fully implemented and there are no published figures as yet on the out-turn for the scheme. Let me just say that private sector providers expect that this scheme will be more effective than the schemes put in place by previous Governments.

Matt Hancock Portrait Matthew Hancock (West Suffolk) (Con)
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Given the increasing private sector employment levels, have the Government made any assessment of the impact on those levels if we lost all credibility of economic policy by having the sort of incoherence proposed by the Opposition?

Mark Hoban Portrait Mr Hoban
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The levels of interest that businesses in this country pay are determined by the credibility of our fiscal policy. If interest rates rose as a consequence of diverting from the fiscal plan the Government have set out, we would see higher interest rates and that would have a huge impact on families and businesses across the country.

Sheila Gilmore Portrait Sheila Gilmore (Edinburgh East) (Lab)
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6. What estimate he has made of the likely effect on the level of child poverty of the fiscal measures in his autumn statement.

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Neil Parish Portrait Neil Parish (Tiverton and Honiton) (Con)
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7. What steps he is taking to encourage banks to charge competitive rates for loans to small and medium-sized businesses.

Mark Hoban Portrait The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Mr Mark Hoban)
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At the autumn statement the Government announced the launch of the national loan guarantee scheme. The scheme will provide up to £20 billion of Government guarantees for bank funding, which will lead to a reduction in loan interest rates to smaller businesses of up to 1%.

Neil Parish Portrait Neil Parish
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I thank the Minister very much for that statement, but businesses in my constituency of Tiverton and Honiton are being held back by the banking sector, which is charging interest rates of up to 20% to financially sound businesses. When and how are we going to get much more competition into the banking sector?

Mark Hoban Portrait Mr Hoban
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My hon. Friend makes an important point. We need to see a more competitive banking system. At the moment we are seeing, for example, the acquisition by Santander of businesses from RBS, which will create a challenger. We have also seen the outline decision by the Co-op to buy branches from Lloyds bank. Those measures, together with the sale of Northern Rock to Virgin Money, point towards a more competitive landscape for banking and will lead to better outcomes for consumers and businesses.

Stewart Hosie Portrait Stewart Hosie (Dundee East) (SNP)
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It is not only the cost and availability of bank lending that is the problem; it is what the nationalised banks are doing with that debt. They are selling it to private equity firms for discounts of 40% to 50%, which reflects a net loss to the taxpayer-shareholder and fundamentally changes the relationship between the business and the bank. Let me ask the Minister, first, whether he is aware of that; and, more importantly, whether he has any information that would tell him that equity funds have had access to bank records on individual companies that would allow them to cherry-pick the assets they are buying.

Mark Hoban Portrait Mr Hoban
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As the hon. Gentleman will know, the responsibility for commercial decisions is a matter for the management of RBS and Lloyds. He has flagged up a concern, and if he brings forward details of those matters, I will raise them with the chief executives concerned.

Viscount Thurso Portrait John Thurso (Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross) (LD)
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Following on from that question. Given that banks can lend only if they have capital and that 80% of financial transactions take place within the financial services industry, so that only 20% result in an end user, can the Minister say what steps the Government are taking to look at the marginal utility of the financial services industry, or what Lord Turner described as its “social usefulness”?

Mark Hoban Portrait Mr Hoban
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My hon. Friend makes an important point. It is vital that banks and other participants in the financial services sector play their full role in supporting growth across the economy and meeting the aspirations of families across the country. It is vital when banks are faced with difficult decisions about how to use their capital that they should focus their efforts on securing lending and boosting economic growth.

Chris Bryant Portrait Chris Bryant (Rhondda) (Lab)
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The thing that my constituents who work for Peacocks do not understand is why there seems to be plenty of money in the banks, including RBS, to pay exorbitant bonuses to senior executives, when there is not enough money to keep the company afloat. What will the Government do to try to ensure that those jobs, in a company that is still making money, are protected?

Mark Hoban Portrait Mr Hoban
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I do not want to comment on particular decisions. I am well aware of the concerns that people in the hon. Gentleman’s constituency have about the prospect of Peacocks closing. It is vital that banks are in a position to lend to viable businesses. That is why we entered into Project Merlin, which has led to an increase in bank lending compared with last year. That is the right thing to do, and I would encourage the management of Peacocks to engage with the banks and other investors to get the right outcome for them and for their business.

Annette Brooke Portrait Annette Brooke (Mid Dorset and North Poole) (LD)
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9. What steps he plans to take to ensure that the burden of taxation is fairly distributed.

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Peter Bone Portrait Mr Peter Bone (Wellingborough) (Con)
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12. What recent estimate he has made of the level of the UK’s current account balance with the EU.

Mark Hoban Portrait The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Mr Mark Hoban)
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In 2010, the UK had a current account deficit of £49 billion. That deficit results from a deficits of £48 billion with the EU and of £1 billion with non-EU countries.

Peter Bone Portrait Mr Bone
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That was a most incredible figure of a deficit of nearly £50 billion to the EU. Does the Minister agree that the Deputy Prime Minister is quite wrong to go around to the television studios claiming that the EU creates 3 million jobs for British workers when it is quite clear from those figures that the EU costs millions of British jobs?

Mark Hoban Portrait Mr Hoban
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My hon. Friend should bear in mind that the deficit on traded goods between the UK and the EU is £43.9 billion but that the deficit outside the EU is even larger at £54.7 billion. We should be encouraging businesses across the UK to invest more and to export more to places in the EU, as well as to Brazil, Russia, India and China. I encourage him to talk to businesses in his constituency and encourage them to export more to close that gap.

Geraint Davies Portrait Geraint Davies (Swansea West) (Lab/Co-op)
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Does the Minister accept that, unlike some other EU members, we have flexible exchange rates, flexible interest rates, market access and very limited exposure to the euro bail-out? Is it not time that we invested in a growth strategy to take advantage of those opportunities and build Britain so that it is strong again, getting rid of the deficit to growth and not cutting?

Mark Hoban Portrait Mr Hoban
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The key thing is to have a credible fiscal and economic policy. The Conservative party and this Government have that credible economic policy, whereas the Labour party has no idea where it wants to take the economy. The measures we are taking to tackle the deficit which keep interests rates low are providing the biggest benefit we can give to businesses to help them grow in future.

Lord Hanson of Flint Portrait Mr David Hanson (Delyn) (Lab)
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13. What assessment he has made of the likely level of economic growth in 2012.

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Naomi Long Portrait Naomi Long (Belfast East) (Alliance)
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15. On what basis HM Revenue and Customs calculates surcharges levied for handling payments made by credit cards.

Mark Hoban Portrait The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Mr Mark Hoban)
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Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs is able to levy a reasonable charge for the use of credit cards for payments. There are many other ways in which people can pay their tax bill without paying a surcharge. HMRC also flagged up quite early in the process how much it would cost to pay by credit card. HMRC adopts best practice, and that is why we have decided to extend these practices across business. We are launching a consultation paper later this year on banning unreasonable credit card surcharges.

Naomi Long Portrait Naomi Long
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I thank the Minister for his answer. We know that the amount charged by different credit card companies varies depending on the transaction amount and the size of the institution receiving the money. Will he undertake to keep this issue under review to ensure that individuals pay only the charge that is levied by the company, and that there is no benefit to HMRC from its making additional charges?

Mark Hoban Portrait Mr Hoban
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The hon. Lady makes an important point. It is absolutely vital that HMRC looks carefully at the costs it incurs in processing credit card transactions and that it charges taxpayers only what are reasonable costs. We want that same approach to be adopted in the private sector as well, as that would bring huge benefit to consumers.

Lord Jackson of Peterborough Portrait Mr Stewart Jackson (Peterborough) (Con)
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16. What steps he is taking to maintain the UK’s triple A credit rating.

Mark Hoban Portrait The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Mr Mark Hoban)
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The Government’s macro-economic strategy is designed to protect the economy through this period of instability, and to lay the foundations for a stronger, more balanced economy in the future. The autumn statement set out a comprehensive plan to return the public finances to a sustainable position and meet the Government’s fiscal targets. In recent months, the major credit rating agencies have reaffirmed the UK’s sovereign credit triple A rating, with a stable outlook.

Lord Jackson of Peterborough Portrait Mr Jackson
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Does the Minister agree that the systemic risk to our triple A credit rating is unlikely to be ameliorated by a form of state-sponsored laundering of UK taxpayers’ money through the International Monetary Fund to the failed eurozone, which hitherto has not received the confidence of the bond markets?

Mark Hoban Portrait Mr Hoban
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My hon. Friend raises an issue about resources for the IMF. It is absolutely vital that the IMF has the resources it needs to play its part in ensuring that there is a stable global economy, which is in our economic interest. My right hon. Friend the Chancellor has said that if there is a request from the IMF for more resources, he will look at it carefully. If he agrees to the request, and the amount requested exceeds the limit in place at the moment, we shall seek parliamentary approval, but it is absolutely vital, and in our interest, to ensure that there is a stable global economy, because that is of benefit to the UK economy. I hope that the Opposition have changed the approach they adopted last year of opposing increases in the IMF subscription.

Steve McCabe Portrait Steve McCabe (Birmingham, Selly Oak) (Lab)
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With borrowing set to grow by £158 billion more than the Government planned, how many more miscalculations can the Minister afford before the precious credit rating goes the same way as all the other economic indicators?

Mark Hoban Portrait Mr Hoban
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Let me just tell the hon. Gentleman what Moody’s said in December last year:

“The currently stable outlook on the government’s Aaa rating depends in part on the assumption that the government will stay on track with its fiscal consolidation programme.”

We will stay on track. The Opposition, with their policies on debt and borrowing, would throw this country off course, leading to higher interest rates that would hit families and businesses. We will stick to our course.

Baroness Morgan of Cotes Portrait Nicky Morgan (Loughborough) (Con)
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T1. If he will make a statement on his departmental responsibilities.

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Jessica Lee Portrait Jessica Lee (Erewash) (Con)
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Does my hon. Friend agree that local enterprise partnerships, such as Erewash Partnership in my constituency, play a vital role in advising SMEs on the difficulties with the availability of credit and can provide an overview for banks and the Government on the current concerns?

Mark Hoban Portrait The Financial Secretary to the Treasury (Mr Mark Hoban)
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My hon. Friend makes an important point. It is absolutely vital that businesses and banks engage together to understand the challenges businesses face. We have taken a number of measures through the seed enterprise investment scheme, relaxing the rules on venture capital trusts and enterprise investment schemes, to encourage more equity funding for business. We are working closely with the banks to ensure that we do all we can to reduce the cost of funding to SMEs.

Jim McGovern Portrait Jim McGovern (Dundee West) (Lab)
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Yesterday I found myself again agreeing with a Government Minister, at least in part, when the Under-Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, the hon. Member for Basingstoke (Maria Miller) said in answer to a question from my hon. Friend the Member for Midlothian (Mr Hamilton) that the most sustainable way to reduce child poverty is through parents going to work. GMB, my old trade union, today published a study showing figures suggesting that, on average, eight jobseekers are chasing every vacancy in Scotland, and unfortunately in Dundee the figure rises to 12 jobseekers for every vacancy. What are the Government doing to address this scandal, and are they working with the Scottish Executive on the matter?