Renters’ Rights Bill

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2nd reading
Tuesday 4th February 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Thurlow (CB)]

My Lords, I congratulate the two maiden speakers on their inspiring, eloquent and very interesting speeches. I want to inform the noble Lord, Lord Wilson, that he and I share something in common—I am sorry to see that he is not in his place. My grandfather was the vicar of Sedgefield more than 100 years ago. Furthermore, he also sat in this Chamber, so we have two special causes to celebrate together.

The Bill is big and ambitious, with far-reaching implications not only for occupiers and landlords but for the surveying profession—I should declare that I am, and was for decades, a chartered surveyor, working in this space to some extent. I also have two buy-to-let flats and advise a property development company that develops entry-level housing in England. The surveying profession will be involved; the Courts & Tribunals Service, as we have heard, and the ombudsman services will be dramatically affected. Social services will also be involved, as will, most of all in my opinion, local authorities. That said, I support most of the clauses in the Bill; it is a very welcome addition to the statute book.

Turning to those concerns, this Bill is going to frighten landlords. The noble Earl, Lord Kinnoull, informed us of what has happened in Scotland. That is an excellent market test of what is going to happen here in England and Wales. I too live in Scotland. A nationwide firm of estate agents which specialises in letting property closed its office nearest to where I live after Section 21 was abolished in Scotland. I spoke to them about this, and they said that they did it simply because the market dried up for landlords or they withdrew. They closed their department. All those landlords either sold their properties—most of which would have become second homes—or turned them into holiday accommodation and Airbnb-type alternatives. The only losers were the tenant community, and they have nowhere else to turn—there is a terrible shortage of housing. Do not let us fall into that trap and let that happen here.

Ending fixed-term leases is a mistake. They do not have to be long leases, but there are a lot of enterprising individuals who want to criss-cross the country: they are on secondment; they are on a consultancy project; they might be digital nomads, moving between centres of excellence in their field. They know they are going to be somewhere for three or four years. There is no reason why they should not have a fixed-term contract. The landlord would appreciate it and benefit, and, of course, they would, too—they could call it “home”.

I am concerned about, as we have heard from the noble and learned Lord, Lord Etherton, the courts and tribunal services and the delays likely to result from the logjam of huge increases in the numbers of referrals and complaints. We underestimate the pressure on the ombudsman’s services as these new rules come into play; there will be an awful lot of call on their services.

The impact on local authorities is principally one of resourcing. They have a big role to play in this Bill; there are going to be legions of surveyors having to be trained up in the decent homes standard and the implications of the ability to operate Awaab’s law. There is going to be a significant increase in the need for computers, IT and digital recording, which will include ongoing maintenance. We are a country of some 50 million people—we are not a country like the Nordics, New Zealand or others, where they are dealing with 10% of the size of our population—and these recording systems are immensely expensive to maintain. We are asking local authorities to become policemen, and that is not their role. They will have to enforce the new rules and regulations, which is going to be culturally difficult and will require a lot more employment, training and resourcing. Who is going to pay for it? We know that the local authority system is basically bust financially.

Finally, I do not think that it will work to prohibit rental bidding. Unless I have misread the Bill—I apologise if that is the case—I think that all a landlord has to do to prevent being caught out on rental bidding is to quote an unreasonably high rent, way above estimated rental value, and let the market do its work through a Dutch auction and gazumping, or whatever else it might be. But perhaps I have missed something in the Bill.

In conclusion, I support most of the clauses of the Bill. I am concerned that some will not work, and I am certain that others need review, but I look forward to Committee very much indeed and to discussing all these matters.

Renters’ Rights Bill

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Committee stage
Monday 28th April 2025 Lords Chamber

[Lord Marlesford (Con)]

I speak on this Bill from the rural perspective, which is very different from the urban perspective. The rural perspective is much more concerned with communities. In the fixing of rents, this is very much taken into account by most rural landlords. Affordability is one method: the 30%. Some return on capital is needed to keep the show on the road. However, taking account of individual circumstances is crucial.

Where there is talk about tying rents to inflation, it is very sensible that all leases make clear that, when rents are assessed annually—which seems to me a reasonable level—that should be on the basis of taking account of inflation. When the inflation is very high, it would be quite wrong to impose a full level of inflation on a tenant. We have had double-digit inflation in the last three years and those of us who were alive then will never forget 1975-76, when we had inflation of 25% per year, for goodness’ sake. Inflation is a dangerous animal. You should use it as a guide, but over a period. Also, you take account of individuals and their contribution to the community in which they live. After all, a rural community is about people in a much greater way than an urban community can be. I do not know whether the Minister has thought about this, but I would hope that she would make reference to what might work better in a rural community than in an urban community.

I very much agreed with my noble friend Lord Young, one of the liberators from a system which had almost destroyed the private rented sector. The other person who I have huge respect for is the noble Lord, Lord Best, who I have known for a very long time and whose judgment, knowledge and experience provide a very useful guide. I recommend that the Minister should have quiet, private discussions with people like that on the practicalities, because this Bill is getting knotted up in practicalities. It is easy to write it all down in clauses and subsections, but how it works will depend on human beings. Governments have a role. As a Burkean Conservative, I believe that the role of a Government is to hold the ring, to prevent people from being ill-treated in the community. It is people who matter.

[Lord Thurlow (CB)]

My Lords, this is my first contribution in Committee, so I declare my interests as the owner of a residential property in receipt of rent and as a practising chartered surveyor for some 35 years. I would like to stop for a moment and consider why rents are so high. Well, it is simple. It is supply and demand; we have not got enough, because there has not been sufficient building since the evolution of the AST regime that we heard about, which began to encourage investors back into the market.

British institutions—life companies, pension funds, insurance companies—used to own millions of pounds-worth of private rented accommodation in the UK. The post-war rent restrictions made it uneconomical and they dumped it, as we have heard from the noble Lord, Lord Young. It took many years for that to come back. The investors returned slowly with the AST and now we are interfering with it all again.

I am not objecting to that interference; I think ASTs needs updating. But the important thing to remember, or point out to the Committee, is that there is a vast amount of institutional money lying in the wings waiting to invest in private rented property. It is there, it is identified, some of it has been spent, and it is going to create tens of thousands of units of private rented accommodation. We are talking not about tens of millions but billions of pounds, and a lot of it is foreign investment. Institutional investment is the holy grail of generating high-volume addition to the inventory.

Renters’ Rights Bill

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Committee stage
Wednesday 14th May 2025 Lords Chamber

[The Earl of Lytton (CB)]

I will make just a couple of comments on the two amendments tabled by my noble colleague, the noble Lord, Lord Best. I start with Amendment 220 and the point made in support of it by the noble Baroness, Lady Thornhill, because what is proposed here is clearly, in effect, a public register. I was not absolutely sure that I understood whether that was delimited in certain ways by the reference to “other interested stakeholders”, whoever or whatever they might be in any given circumstance, but a public register is what we are dealing with.

If I may, I link this across to the next group of amendments, because it is appropriate to mention here that the noble Baroness, Lady Thornhill, has Amendment 222, which has an extensive list of requirements. I simply say that some of what she sets out there might need a rethink as to whether it is appropriate for that degree of detailed information to be on a public register, bearing in mind who else may have access to it and for what purposes.

I have a question on Amendment 225. I absolutely agree with the functionality point, and I add to that by saying that there must absolutely be an email communications option in any database of this sort. Given the state of the normal, regular postal service, having an email option and being able to flag up an alert system of some sort would be absolutely essential for any landlord, their agent or, for that matter, any renter using the database.

My question is to do with the way the database is applicable to local authority schemes. The noble Baroness, Lady Thornhill, confirmed what I believed to be the case: namely, that local authority schemes might vary considerably. If we have a national database, I simply ask how that deals with strictly local things on a per local authority basis. The rules of the game must obviously apply nationally, but the property concerned, the landlord and the renter in particular may be local. I simply flag up how that will function or whether there will be a subsidiary local authority subset on a per local authority basis.

If we have approach, and given the amount of data that the noble Baroness’s later amendment suggests, then, in terms of the amendments previously spoken to by the noble Lord, Lord Hacking, I suggest that we are looking at quite a considerable lead-in period in practical terms to get this database in place. If it is to be of use, it needs to start off as some sort of cut-down version in order to enable the essential information to be there, even if it is then expanded. I therefore see this being achievable by some sort of rollout over time. Trying to put it in place from day one would be a recipe for something approaching chaos.

[Lord Thurlow (CB)]

My Lords, I will briefly comment on two amendments in this group: Amendment 233 in the names of the noble Baroness, Lady Scott of Bybrook, and the noble Lord, Lord Jamieson, and Amendment 243 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Thornhill, about databases. I feel that we are overlooking the need to ensure that the rogues in the system are identified and banned or punished for bad behaviour. They riddle the rented sector, I am afraid.

The database is a great attempt to give transparency and clarity to mortgagees, as in one of these amendments, to tenants and to potential tenants to check on their potential landlords. It is not responsible landlords who are the problem; it is the rogues. Rogues like to be invisible. They do not want to be detectable. They certainly do not want enforcement proceedings served against them. Enforcement must have teeth. Without real teeth, there is little point in trying to catch the rogues. The database would go a long way towards achieving that, but I fear that there is not enough determination in the Government to really punish those who are determined to cheat.

Rogues can hide their properties under the names of shelf companies. They can be registered abroad. They can have a tangled web of subsidiaries and further subsidiaries. They will make themselves as invisible and undetectable as possible. I close by simply saying that these are good amendments, but I would love to see sharper teeth in the enforceability.

[Baroness Scott of Bybrook (Con)]

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Hacking, for opening this group, as it marks the beginning of three vital debates on the database, which is an issue of great interest to stakeholders across the sector. There are 16 amendments in this group dealing with a range of quite complex issues relating to the database so, with the leave of the Committee, I will try to fully address the issues raised, but I might take a little extra time.

Before turning to our specific amendments and those in the wider group, I start by saying that the creation of a private rented sector database is a major change for landlords and tenants in this country. It is an opportunity to seriously improve transparency and outcomes for renters. We have expressed concerns on previous Bills about the overuse of regulation-making powers to deliver the statutory powers that the Government seek. Ministers should, we believe, set out clearly their plans in this Bill as far as is practically possible. Given the lack of detail in the clauses relating to the establishment of the database, we take this opportunity to ask the Minister to clarify the Government’s plans. If she cannot answer today, we will be very happy to have it in writing after today’s debate.

I start by addressing Amendment 228A, tabled in my name. This is a simple amendment that would ensure that the Secretary of State is required to make regulations to ensure that the database entries are regularly updated and maintained. It is essential that the accuracy, completeness and timeliness of the data be maintained if it is to be a useful resource for both tenants and for landlords. This is common sense, and this should be a requirement. I hope the Minister will agree to that. If the Government cannot accept this amendment today, will she please take this opportunity to explain why the Government feel that the Secretary of State should have discretion in this area?