(4 months ago)
Lords ChamberMy Lords, I fully support this amendment and hope that it will tease out from the Minister a little more about what the underlying purpose of the general legislation is, as I am not too enamoured of this becoming a fully nationalised industry with the ability to acquire all sorts of other steel interests.
I felt that the Government’s policy arose out of the circumstances of British Steel at Scunthorpe and the question of blast furnace-produced steel, where we are down to our last two blast furnaces. I did not think that the intention was to build an electric arc furnace set of businesses when progress has already been made in establishing these in the private sector and where there are plans in certain cases for government grant aid to achieve an electric arc steel additional business by that combination of subsidy assistance and private capital.
I hope that the Government will accept this quite substantial narrowing of such a broad piece of legislation, because there are many with general interests in steel whom we would not like to get caught up in this. I would also like clarification on whether there is any possibility that the Government might want to build a nationalised electric arc steel set of businesses. This would be an expensive and difficult proposition.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, I thank the Minister, his team, the department and the two experts who came all the way from Coventry in 35-degree temperatures to educate the noble Lord, Lord Hampton, and me on the technology of steel. It has been very co-operative and I thank them.
I am slightly confused by how narrowing these words are: “of or including” versus “predominantly”. What is predominantly? Is it 60:40? Is it 55? I do not know. You have to look upon it with the body language of the Government. The Government have shown no tendency to go on a nationalisation rampage through all businesses that have ever touched a piece of steel. It is very clearly focused in one area, as the noble Lord, Lord Redwood, alluded to. Also, I remind noble Lords that there is a sunset clause in here which closes it after two years. So the talk of subsequent Governments does not have particular purchase and I am much more relaxed than the noble Lord, Lord Sharpe, on this.
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their constructive engagement in advance of Committee, and for all the amendments and valuable contributions that they will make during it.
Amendment 1 in the names of the noble Lords, Lord Sharpe and Lord Hunt, seeks to introduce a narrow definition of a “steel undertaking”. I fully understand the purpose of the amendment, but the Government have no desire for these powers to extend beyond what is necessary. They are exceptional powers for exceptional circumstances and should be exercised only where Parliament intends.
I respectfully suggest that the amendment would not provide greater certainty; instead, it risks introducing greater ambiguity into the Bill. The proposed test, that a business must be “predominantly” involved in steel, immediately raises difficult questions, as alluded to by the noble Lord, Lord Fox, on how “predominantly” is measured. Is it turnover, assets, employees, production, profit or some combination of these? The amendment provides no answer. That uncertainty would inevitably invite legal challenge, precisely when swift and decisive action may be required. Businesses with significant steel operations could argue that they fall outside the definition, because steel is not their primary activity. Equally, complex corporate structures could be organised to make the test easier to avoid altogether. In seeking to narrow the definition, the amendment risks creating loopholes that undermine the legislation’s very purpose. The Government’s drafting avoids these difficulties; it provides a clear and workable definition that gives legal certainty, while ensuring that powers are used only when genuinely needed to protect the public interest.
For those reasons, while I appreciate the spirit in which the amendment was tabled, I cannot agree that it improves the Bill. I know this is not what the noble Lords intended and I can accept that the current drafting is broad, but this definition follows closely that used in the Steel Industry (Special Measures) Act and it ensures that there can be no disputes about its meaning. In practice, we do not expect many companies to fall within the current definition, so the amendment would have minimal effect.
I will repeat the Government’s position expressed throughout the Bill’s passage so far: we are strongly minded to use the powers to acquire British Steel if it is in the public interest to do so, and we do not have any plans to acquire any other steel undertakings. It is therefore very unlikely that this would be used for any other company, let alone one that is engaged primarily in non-steel activity. I hope this helps clarify the matter and respectfully request that the amendment is withdrawn.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, one of the things that the briefing from the high value catapult team confirmed is the enormous difficulty there will be in creating a viable business from what His Majesty’s Government intend to take control of in Scunthorpe. There is the age of its blast furnace, the potential cost of any replacement of a blast furnace, the expense of conversion to an electric arc furnace—if that is what is intended—and the hugely competitive landscape of the global steel markets. These are just the headlines of the complexity, but the choices go beyond blast furnace or arc furnace.
If investment is found to install a new electric arc furnace, what will it produce? Will it aim to produce the full range of steels that we need—longs, flats, rebar—or will it specialise in particular steels that perhaps are more strategic and less easy to source? If it goes down the specialisation route, the UK will probably need access to much more direct reduced iron, or DRI. It is likely that this would have to be imported, and these would be very high CO2 emission imports from most countries, because making our own DRI would need a whole new bit of kit which is very pricey. Choices and making the right calls will determine whether Scunthorpe has a long-term future and what that future looks like. It will determine whether it is indeed an investable prospect and whether it can attract the private sector.
When the Government begin—assuming this Bill becomes an Act—to use the terms of the Act to take ownership of this plant, that will change the focus of these choices. Of course, there will be a new board and management to run the plant, but the cost of the choices will rest with UK taxpayers, at least at first. We will be providing the capital. As we have heard, we have already made available £555 million in working capital, but clearly these sums could increase massively at scale. It is the scale of risk that the Government are taking on that is guiding my approach and our approach, because this Bill needs more scrutiny from Parliament at all levels. From these Benches, we will be pushing those buttons.
These three amendments start at least to open up that point around accountability. I am a bit intrigued because while I do not always agree with the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, he is normally internally consistent. However, the noble Lord started out by saying there should be no expansion of the terms of Clause 2 and then put forward two pretty reasonable ones about growth and expanding the economy. I have one that I think the noble Lord, Lord Redwood, would agree with, which is cost. We should have a clear understanding of the cost before the public interest test. I completely disagree with Amendment 2 because there needs to be a broader discussion around “public interest”. We need to understand the numbers around it, otherwise we do not know whether it is interesting to the public. I do not agree with Amendment 2. I have some sympathy with the other two amendments, and I am sure we will talk more about public interest tests as we deal with other groups.
My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Hunt, Lord Redwood and Lord Fox, and the noble and right reverend Lord, Lord Sentamu, for their contributions to this group. There are several amendments to the articulation of the public interest test in Clause 2. This is a key clause in the Bill; it is a necessary safeguard to ensure that the powers are used proportionately in response to a clear need.
Amendment 2 would limit the public interest factors that the Secretary of State may consider to those set out in the Bill. The Government agree that the three factors of national security, critical national infrastructure and support for the economy are likely to be the most relevant to the steel sector. Accordingly, the current approach ensures that they are given particular weight when assessing whether to pursue an intervention. However, circumstances may arise in which a case for intervention may not be clearly made on the basis of these three factors, yet it would clearly be in the public interest to take action. It is therefore pragmatic to build some flexibility into the Bill to address this issue.
I turn to Amendment 3. It has been suggested that the third public interest factor should refer specifically to
“economic growth and international competitiveness”,
rather than “supporting the economy”. With respect, this is a distinction without a meaningful difference. It is largely a matter of drafting rather than substance. The phrase “supporting the economy” is deliberately broad. It clearly encompasses economic growth and international competitiveness but also recognises that the economy is more than growth figures alone. It includes strengthening economic resilience, protecting strategically important industries, supporting employment, safeguarding supply chains, encouraging investment and ensuring the long-term productive capacity of the United Kingdom. By contrast, narrowing the text to
“economic growth and international competitiveness”
could unintentionally exclude other legitimate public interest considerations that any responsible Government should be able to take into account.
There may be circumstances where intervention is necessary to preserve critical industrial capability or economic resilience, even where the immediate effect on growth or competitiveness is less direct. The Government’s intention is to provide Ministers with a sufficiently broad framework to consider the full range of economic factors that may arise. The existing wording achieves precisely that: it is flexible, comprehensive and future-proofed, while fully capturing the objectives that the amendment seeks to emphasise. For those reasons, I do not believe that the amendment would improve the Bill. The Government believe that protecting our sovereign capability in what is a foundational sector for the economy will help to underpin our resilience and leave us less exposed to volatile international trading conditions. The Government therefore cannot support the amendment.
I turn to the amendments tabled by the noble Lords, Lord Sharpe of Epsom and Lord Hunt of Wirral, and by the noble Lord, Lord Fox. In different ways, all three noble Lords seek to require the Secretary of State to consider value for money or the impact on the public finances before exercising the principal transfer powers.
I am referring to the noble Lord’s later amendment.
I fully agree with the principle that taxpayers’ money must be spent wisely. Any decision to bring a steel undertaking into public ownership would be among the most significant interventions that a Government could make. Such a decision should never be taken lightly, and it would not be. However, these amendments seek to place into statute an obligation that already exists as a fundamental principle of government. Every significant spending decision is subject to the rigorous disciplines of managing public money—as stated by the noble Lord, Lord Hunt—Treasury approval where appropriate, and the established accounting officer framework. Ministers are already required to demonstrate that public money is being used properly, proportionately and with due regard to value for money.
The question, therefore, is not whether value for money should be considered—it absolutely should—but whether it is necessary to restate an existing, well-established constitutional obligation in the Bill. I do not believe it is. Doing so would add no new safeguard, create no new accountability and impose no duty that does not already exist. More importantly, this legislation is intended to ensure that, where a vital national interest is at stake, the Government can act decisively. Decisions of this nature will always involve weighing immediate fiscal costs against the far greater economic and strategic costs of inaction. The loss of sovereign steel-making capability, thousands of skilled jobs and critical supply chains, and industrial resilience could ultimately impose a far greater burden on the taxpayer than timely intervention would. The Government will continue to ensure that every decision made under the Bill is subject to the highest standards of financial discipline and accountability. Those safeguards already exist; they are robust and will continue to apply.
Lord Wigley (PC)
My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 4 standing in my name and to speak to Amendment 36, which is also in my name and which is grouped with it—as is Amendment 29 in the name of the noble lord, Lord Fox, and Amendments 30, 31, 43, 44 and 46 in the names of the noble Lords, Lord Sharpe and Lord Hunt.
I quote Amendment 4, just to bring it to everyone's mind. It would add, at the end of line 20 on page 1, a new subsection:
“(d) supporting the local economy of any steel-making location which may be adversely affected by this Act”.
I would have thought that those words would commend themselves very much to this House. All these amendments have to do with the impact of the Bill when enacted—an impact which may be so significant to various aspects of the economy, and indeed on the communities which may benefit or may suffer directly or indirectly from this legislation. I shall look forward to hearing the Opposition Front Bench when they speak, particularly on Amendment 43, on the possible impact of this Bill when enacted on inward investment—a subject close to my heart, as the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, will recall, from prior incarnations. But I digress. Amendment 4 in my name would specifically impose a duty on the Secretary of State, in relation to his responsibilities regarding the public interest, to broaden that responsibility to include, via the proposed new subsection (d),
“supporting the local economy of any steel-making location which may be adversely affected by this Act”.
I have deliberately drawn this new subsection widely and not confined it to Wales, as I know from our experiences in Wales how badly steel-making communities across these islands can be hit when steel-making is ended or run down, wherever those communities may be located. I saw this with my own eyes when I was living in Merthyr Tydfil in the 1970s, at the time of the rundown of the steel manufacturing in nearby Ebbw Vale. The economic decline of the Blaenau Gwent area has been staggering, as the noble Lord, Lord Murphy, mentioned in the Second Reading debate of this Bill. It is now amongst the poorest areas, economically speaking, not only in Wales but throughout Britain. Decisions arising from the operation of this Bill, when enacted, could have far-reaching consequences for communities that have depended on steel in the past, and which may be facing dire consequences of specific and deliberate action undertaken by the Government through this Act. A duty surely lies on us to help safeguard those communities.
There will inevitably be winners and losers as a result of actions taken under this legislation. Hard-working, skilled industrial communities may be undermined through no fault of their own. Indeed, the decisions taken by the UK Government may be, in some regards, for the good of the industrial base of these islands, but do not tell me that, to an unemployed skilled steel-worker in Margam or Shotton or Llanwern—or, for that matter, in Teesside or Sheffield or Doncaster—this does not matter. If the actions of the Government in consolidating steel-making in a limited number of locations has that knock-on effect, then the Government surely have a responsibility to support those local economies hard hit. I cannot believe that a Labour Government will not readily acknowledge this. I invite them to accept Amendment 4 or at least to undertake to return with their own amendment on Report to secure the objectives I have outlined.
Amendment 36 in my name is also in this group. It would provide a vehicle, via Clause 58, whereby the financial aid outlined in Amendment 4 could be channelled through local authorities in steel-making areas hard hit by this Bill so that they were compensated for the adverse effects on local communities arising from the exercise of the powers in the Bill relating to steel-making in their area. As I stated at Second Reading, I support the objectives of this Bill but, with all the good will in the world, there will inevitably be losers as well as winners. As such far-reaching changes will be triggered by Act of Parliament, surely it behoves Parliament to safeguard those who may be adversely hit as a direct consequence. I beg to move.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, this is a mixed bag of amendments. I will speak primarily to Amendment 29 in my name but also to some of the others.
Amendment 29 highlights the potentially distorting effects that CBAM—the carbon border adjustment mechanism—would have on various elements of the steel industry, from supplier to steel user. On the one hand, if applied fairly, CBAM could and should deal with the currently distorting global steel market, whereby Chinese steel, with a high carbon investment, is competing unfairly with greener steel in Europe and the United Kingdom. So far, so good, but the effects of CBAM on other steel users and manufacturers could, if applied wrongly, be very detrimental. That is why the international picture, particularly our future agreement with the EU, will be so important in ensuring that manufacturers do not have one hand tied behind their back.
The way that CBAM interacts with tariffs, which has not been discussed terribly much, is important and issues around energy costs have been put in this group, but in truth CBAM, the EU and energy costs fall outside—or at least at the very edges of—the scope of this Bill. However, Amendments 4 and 36 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, and Amendment 44 from the noble Lords, Lord Sharpe and Lord Hunt, are front and centre within it. Tata, for example, is making considerable investments on its own account and should not be disadvantaged by any publicly owned business. Similarly, the communities in which the industry is located are vital and must be a key part of decision-making.
The nature of the amendments in this group is almost a snapshot, whereas in reality it will be a long-term issue. That is why, later in Committee, I have proposed a stakeholder advisory committee in Amendment 22 and an explicit role for Select Committees in Amendment 38. This will be an ongoing issue and we will need ongoing parliamentary review of it. While I support elements of this group and the intentions within it, I think the heavy work will be done in a different way going forward.
I am very glad that my noble friend raised the issue of an impact assessment, because if the Government press ahead with the acquisition of British Steel under the legislation, that could be the first opportunity we have for a realistic impact assessment. Yet, the taxpayer has been responsible for the losses in working capital and investment funds for over a year now, with the lack of clear reporting that we have commented on before.
We have an impact assessment for this piece of legislation. Understandably, it says that there are not any costs or benefits to report, because there is not a transaction. These are enabling powers, which would enable the Government to undertake and complete a transaction. But it would only be at that point that officials tasked with the difficult question “What is the impact?” would be able to come up with some numbers, because we would then presumably have some visibility on the cost of acquisition, if any, the operating costs and working capital costs that will go forward. That would be very helpful, in connection with the difficult investment at Scunthorpe, where, as we heard earlier, the NAO reported that there has already probably been £642 million of taxpayer expenditure up to the current month, with a very high run rate going forwards. So, I hope that the Government will offer us reassurance—if not a new clause in the Bill—to say that there will have to be a proper and timely impact assessment.
That, too, would clearly require proper due diligence, which I trust has been under way, now that the Government are responsible for the business. We would need to know that there had been a proper study of Anne and Bess, the two blast furnaces, which were either built or last substantially modified in the early 1950s. These are ageing assets. They have had deep maintenance in this century, but we would need a condition statement on that, so that the Government are reassured that however long they think they can run these blast furnaces for is feasible in terms of the condition of the plant. In order to sustain the employment for the next month, year or whatever it may be, we would need to know that there will not be major maintenance required or no question of having to cool the furnaces down, because that is a dangerous and expensive process and would raise issues about how easy it would be to spend enough money to reinstate these particular assets.
Of course, it would also require proper reporting to the Government—not supplying all the detail to us, but proper reporting on market prospects and how the steel product produced at Scunthorpe is perceived, and what the market opportunities, in general terms, might be and other supporting documents. It will require a serious impact statement, for the benefit of democratic accountability. More importantly, that would prove that the Government have done their homework, because the Government should not be taking on a plant like this unless they have a condition report, a marketing report, a proper cost examination and so forth, which I and my noble friends have been referring to.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, I do not want to be the bringer of bad news to the noble Lord, Lord Redwood, but I suspect that it is pretty clear that the condition of the blast furnaces is poor and whatever happens, either to reinstate them to the level that would take them forward or to invest in electric arc, will take a lot of money. That is the point that we are focusing in on, and that is why we are focusing in on the public interest test. We have not yet gotten past Clause 2 yet, because this is the crunch.
I have a group of amendments in the next group, so I will reserve almost everything I have to say. The noble Lord, Lord Hunt, has already disobeyed his Amendment 2, because we are seeking to broaden the scope of the public interest test. With respect to the noble and right reverend Lord, Lord Sentamu, there is such a number of issues that have to be addressed within the particular field of potential investment that the public interest really requires focus. I will leave it at that for this group and then come back to these in the next group.
My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Redwood, Lord Fox and Lord Hunt, for their contributions.
The noble Lords, Lord Hunt and Lord Sharpe, tabled Amendments 5, 6, and 42 to provide for an independent person to assess the public interest. Further amendments tabled by the noble Lords would require the Government to publish both the criteria used to assess the public interest and their assessment on how those criteria are met, before exercising the principal transfer power. Amendment 42 would require an impact assessment to be published before any intervention or the exercise of any power under the Bill. As these amendments deal with similar issues, I will address them together.
I start by saying that I understand and sympathise with the desire for the greatest parliamentary and stakeholder scrutiny of a decision to intervene under the powers in the Bill. Stakeholder engagement is a key part of the Government’s policy approach to the sector, with Ministers regularly meeting key industry groups and representatives through the steel council and other forums. The Government have published an impact assessment alongside the Bill, explaining how the public interest test will be considered. A further impact assessment will be published alongside any secondary legislation exercising the transfer of power.
The framework for decisions to intervene will stem from what has been included in Clause 2, with regard to the three public interest factors. There is no attempt on our part to obfuscate or hide the criteria that will be applied in practice. The Government will not only consider whether a steel undertaking is engaged in activity that serves the public interest; they will also consider whether the activity is at risk of not receiving government intervention.
The Government cannot support these amendments as each would create additional hurdles and process pre-intervention. In the kinds of situations that the Bill envisages, speed will be crucial. Likewise, commercial and market sensitivities mean that swift action will, in most circumstances, be necessary to avoid uncertainty.
None the less, I am aware that there are strongly held concerns about this issue, and I can confirm that the Government will consider options for Parliament to scrutinise decisions taken either at the time of or after the exercise of the transfer of powers ahead of Report stage. I hope that this offers some reassurance to noble Lords, and I look forward to continuing further conversations with the noble Lord, Lord Fox, ahead of Report. With that, I ask that the amendment be withdrawn.
Lord Fox
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 10 and 11 in my name.
Agreement appears to have broken out. The noble Lord, Lord Hunt, the Minister and I all agree that the wording of Clause 2 is central to how we move forward. I always suspected that the public interest test element would be the hardest bit to resolve in this Bill. We are beginning to see that this might be true.
My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Fox and Lord Sharpe, for their contributions. I also thank the noble Lord, Lord Fox, for his constructive engagement over the past few weeks. I understand that he is trying to support the steel sector and the Bill while ensuring value for money, which is the Government’s objective as well.
Amendment 10 would require the Secretary of State to take into account the impact on the public finances when applying the public interest test. Of course, any decision to nationalise a steel undertaking should not be taken lightly, given the significant costs that could be incurred. However, the principle of securing value for money for the taxpayer is already well established and embedded in government decision-making, as I said on an earlier group. Any decision to exercise the powers in the Bill is subject to the usual Managing Public Money governance and the framework of accounting officer checks, which includes consideration of the impact on the public finances. I therefore respectfully suggest that incorporating the amendment into statute would not serve any particular purpose, but we are mindful of ensuring that costs associated with the Bill are well managed.
The noble Lord, Lord Fox, also proposes, in Amendment 11, that the Secretary of State should take into account the short-term and long-term investability of a steel undertaking when considering whether to intervene in the public interest. I understand the sentiment behind the amendment, but I do not think that investability should directly inform the public interest test.
If a steel undertaking is an investible prospect in the short term, it is unlikely that there would be a case for government intervention, as the need could be met by the private sector. The intention behind the Bill is not to crowd out private investment but to act where private ownership has failed. Whether a steel undertaking is investible in the longer term is highly speculative, so I do not think it would be particularly helpful for it to form part of the statutory framework for the decision. By intervening, the Government would hope to turn a steel undertaking that is not investible into something that may become investible. To the extent that this is what the noble Lord hopes to achieve, we share his ambition, but I do not think that the amendment is workable.
Amendment 7 would prevent the Secretary of State exercising the principal transfer powers until a statement explaining how the public interest test is met has been provided to Parliament. I am sympathetic to the desire for greater parliamentary and stakeholder scrutiny of any decision to intervene under the powers in the Bill.
As I said previously, the Government have published an impact assessment alongside the Bill, explaining how the public interest test will be considered. Any further impact assessment would be published alongside any secondary legislation exercising the transfer powers. The framework for the decision to intervene will stem from the three public interest factors included in Clause 2. The Government will consider not only whether a steel undertaking is engaged in activity that serves the public interest but whether that activity is at risk without government intervention.
The Government cannot support this amendment, as it would create additional hurdles and processes pre-intervention. In the kinds of situations that the Bill envisages, speed will be crucial, as I said previously. Likewise, commercial and market sensitivities mean that swift action will, in most circumstances, be necessary to avoid uncertainty; I take note of what noble Lords said about speed. None the less, I am aware that there are strongly held concerns about this issue and I confirm that, ahead of Report, the Government will consider options for Parliament to scrutinise decisions taken either at the time of or after the exercise of the transfer powers. I hope that this of some reassurance to the noble Lord and ask that his amendment be withdrawn.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Sharpe, for his support for these amendments and I was pleased to hear the closing part of the Minister’s statement. We all want the costs of any nationalisation to be well managed; we are looking for those costs to be well understood in advance of any commitment by the Government on behalf of the people of this country. We look forward to those discussions and I beg leave to withdraw Amendment 7.
Lord Wigley (PC)
My Lords, the amendment proposes inserting a new subsection (2A), which provides that:
“In assessing the ‘public interest’”—
which is the whole dimension underpinning the Bill—
“in regard to the exercise of transfer powers relating to a steel undertaking located in Wales, the Secretary of State must consult the First Minister of Wales before exercising such principal transfer powers”.
This is surely basic common sense, since many, if not most, of the responsibilities impacted by such transfers in Wales rest with Senedd Cymru. These powers include economic development, town and country planning, roads, education and training, and the environment. Each one of these may, and almost certainly will, be impacted by the consequences of transfer decisions.
To those who argue that responsibility to co-operate already exists, I say that, if that responsibility is spelled out in the Bill, it would trigger an earlier and more thorough approach. Otherwise, it would be so easy to treat such dialogue and mutual action as an afterthought when it should be a cast-iron statutory requirement.
This brings me to the associated Amendment 19. Clause 50 provides powers to the Secretary of State
“to modify law in connection with … property transfers”.
Clause 50(3) is very serious as it provides for retrospective legislation. This should always trigger alarm bells, in whatever context it arises. As many of the legislative responsibilities that might be impacted by this are fully devolved to Senedd Cymru, any such regulations must be made only with the prior agreement of Senedd Cymru. This must be included in the Bill, otherwise it would be open to a Pandora’s box of utter chaos.
Amendment 19 specifically provides a route to avoid such consequences by requiring the prior agreement of Senedd Cymru to any such regulations that involve devolved powers. Including this in the Bill would avoid misunderstanding and unhelpful polarisation, so I beg to move Amendment 9 and would like to hear the Minister’s response to both it and Amendment 19.
Lord Fox (LD)
I will be very brief and speak with some support for the noble Lord, Lord Wigley. As far as I can tell, the Bill does not require legislative consent from either Cardiff or Edinburgh. Perhaps the Minister could confirm that. If it does not, the principle set out by the noble Lord, for both Wales and Scotland—I know that there may be industrial differences, but the two things apply—would be very important. I look forward to hearing what the Minister says in that regard.
My Lords, I very much echo what the noble Lord, Lord Fox, has just said, and I thank the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, for his amendments, which raise very important points. There are considerable concerns about what is happening at steel plants in Wales and the consequences for the workers, their families and the much wider community. It is right that, where these powers may affect a Welsh steel undertaking or devolved responsibilities, Wales should be properly involved. I urge the Minister to respond positively to the concerns so rightly raised by the noble Lord.
My Lords, I hope that this outbreak of agreement means that the Government will accept my Amendment 12. The Government have repeatedly spoken of a long-term plan for steel—securing private investment, increasing domestic production, safeguarding jobs and creating a viable future for the industry. Against that background, Clause 3 comes as something of a surprise. Earlier, the noble Lord, Lord Fox, indicated that he was somewhat reassured by its presence, but I suspect that its actual terms have escaped his usual vulpine scrutiny. A sunset clause is intended to place a clear limit on exceptional powers, but the Bill allows the Secretary of State to substitute, by regulations, a different period for the two-year limit.
Subsection (4) makes it clear that this can be done more than once. Therefore, in practice, the powers could be extended again and again, which gives no reassurance at all. Two years could become five years, 10 years or longer. That is not a meaningful sunset clause; it is a potentially perpetual sunset clause. It is an indefinitely renewable power.
What does that say about the Government’s confidence in their own ability to secure a viable private sector-led future for British Steel? If Ministers genuinely expect these powers to be exceptional and temporary, why do they require the ability to extend them without any stated final limit? This goes directly to the concerns raised throughout our debates—the risk of open-ended liabilities for taxpayers, uncertainty for investors and a lack of clarity about the Government’s intended endpoint.
The Constitution Committee of your Lordships’ House has considered this point and has been unequivocal. It said:
“The use of delegated powers to bypass sunset clauses undermines their purpose, and sets an unusual and unwelcome precedent”.
It recommended either that the final period of extension be set out in the Bill or that there should be a statutory time limit each time the power is used. This would not prevent the Government seeking additional time when there is a compelling case, but it would require Ministers to return to Parliament with a clear final boundary rather than retaining power capable of perpetual renewal.
Will the Minister accept the Constitution Committee’s recommendations and bring forward amendments before Report? Will the Government set a final limit on these powers and demonstrate that they have genuine confidence in securing a thriving, investible and private sector-led future for British Steel? I beg to move.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, I see the point that the noble Lord, Lord Sharpe, has made, and I commend him for getting past this amendment before 9.21 pm, which is of course sunset.
I thank the noble Lord, Lord Sharpe, for his contribution. I note the Constitution Committee’s comments on this clause in its recently published report on the Bill. The inclusion of the sunset provision demonstrates the Government’s commitment to ensuring that powers remain on the statute book for as long as necessary to serve their purpose. Ultimately, we want to see the domestic steel sector return to a more sustainable and stable state in which government intervention is unnecessary.
As we have said, we do not currently see another use case beyond the possibility of British Steel. Therefore, we hope that noble Lords get their wish and there is no need to extend the sunset period. However, the current geopolitical landscape creates a volatile backdrop for this sector, making it difficult to anticipate what may transpire in the coming months and years. We have therefore built in some flexibility to extend or shorten the two-year sunset timetable if circumstances change. We consider this a reasonable precaution to take.
The drafting ensures that there will be full parliamentary scrutiny of any change to the sunset period through the affirmative procedure, meaning that parliamentarians will be able to test and debate any regulations brought by the Government to extend the sunset period. We anticipate needing to use this extension power only in extenuating circumstances. I therefore request that the amendment be withdrawn.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, I have to say I was a bit grumpy when the Conservative Party tabled these amendments that we had tabled in the Commons, but in retrospect I am very pleased. No joking—that was a tour de force from the noble Lord, Lord Hunt. This is his specialist area, and that was his best speech on Henry VIII that I have heard. All the points were points that I would have made except that I am not good enough to have made them, so in that respect I am glad that he was the person proposing this, rather than I. The only thing that stops the noble Lord from being risen to the pantheon is that, having won affirmative powers, he and his colleagues never actually exercise them through fatal Motions. Frankly, that is the only flaw in what we have just heard.
I countersigned Amendments 13 to 15 and 18 but my pen ran out when we got to Clause 50 stand part. All the points that the noble Lord made are valid. I hope the Government are able to take on board both what he said and what your Lordships’ committees have said about the shortcomings in this draft.
My Lords, before I turn to the amendments in this group, I thank the members of the Select Committee on the Constitution for their report on the Bill, which relates to this grouping. The report recommended that in Clause 47 the provisions for dispute settlement should be set out more fully in the Bill. The approach to drafting here is in line with existing precedent under the Banking Act 2009 and reflects the approach taken for similar powers, such as enforcement powers. We think it is appropriate to provide for dispute settlement on a case-by-case basis through regulations.
Noble Lords have tabled a number of amendments relating to parliamentary scrutiny of and procedure on the transfer regulations. In particular, the noble Lords, Lord Sharpe and Lord Hunt, have tabled amendments which would change the parliamentary procedure for the principal share and property transfer powers, continuity obligations and enforcement powers from negative to affirmative. I understand the concern expressed by the noble Lords. From the outset, I reassure all noble Lords that the Government take parliamentary scrutiny extremely seriously. For that reason, we have ensured that a number of substantial powers in the Bill, such as the compensation and tax powers, are subject to the affirmative procedure. However, the Government consider that changes to the procedure for transferring powers would adversely affect the Government’s ability to effect a smooth transfer where necessary in the public interest.
Steel is fundamental to the UK’s industrial base and our national resilience, making it critical to secure supply. Any delays, especially in a non-consensual transfer, would prevent the transfer from taking place, particularly if the transferer was unco-operative. I draw noble Lords’ attention to the recently published report from the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee, which did not raise any cause for concern about these powers, including the level of parliamentary scrutiny attached.
To set out the necessity for the negative procedure for these powers, I will discuss them in turn. I will address Amendments 13 and 14 together as they seek to amend the procedures for the share and property transfer powers respectively. It is important that the principal transfer powers can be exercised with speed and operational and legal certainty. The Government expect that, if these powers were exercised, it would be in a fast-moving, commercially sensitive situation. The affirmative procedure would introduce a substantial delay, creating a vacuum in ownership. Such uncertainty would significantly affect the business, particularly the supply chains and third-party contracts.
Amendment 15 seeks to amend the procedure for continuity obligations. The continuity obligations in the Bill are essential to ensure that the company continues to operate as normal following the transfer, minimising disruption and maintaining operations at the steel undertaking. This is achieved by imposing obligations on residual steel undertakings and their group companies to ensure that all services and facilities required by the transferred business continue to operate as normal. Any changes to the procedure would affect the effectiveness of the transfer. The Government’s primary objective with this provision is to ensure a smooth transfer of ownership. As I have set out, it is imperative that there be no delay to any transfer of a steel undertaking into public ownership.
Amendment 18, in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Sharpe, aims to amend the procedure for enforcement regulation. Clause 45 gives the Secretary of State the power to make provision in regulations for the enforcement of obligations under the share and property transfer regulations. As with the other amendments, if the Government consider it necessary to enforce obligations, they must do so at pace. Any delay in using these powers risks interrupting the transfer process and reducing its effectiveness.
For those reasons, the Government do not consider these amendments necessary. However, I have reflected on the argument made by the noble Lord, Lord Hunt. While it is critical that the Government are able to preserve their ability to enforce as necessary, there is a reasonable rationale for further parliamentary scrutiny. I cannot accept this amendment but I will consider this issue further, ahead of Report.
The noble Lords, Lord Sharpe and Lord Hunt, have given notice indicating their intention to oppose Clause 50 standing part of the Bill. That would remove the modification power in Clause 50. This power is not taken lightly, but it is a necessary measure to ensure that the transfer powers under the Bill can be used effectively. The clause has precedent because the same power was used in the Banking Act 2009 to resolve complex companies in the financial sector. Given that the transfer powers would be used only in circumstances where a public interest test was met, it is crucial that the Government have the necessary tools to ensure that any such transfers can be implemented effectively to deliver the intended outcome.
The powers in Part 1 of the Bill interact with commercial, company and insolvency law. This is the law that normally governs the consensual acquisition of companies or of their businesses. The legislative environment is therefore varied and complex and, because general legislation was not designed with compulsory transfers in mind, as the Bill envisages, there will be some tension between applying the Bill’s powers to a steel undertaking and the highly complex private law that it will inevitably cut across. The clause therefore provides a necessary power to modify other laws that may ordinarily interact with a transaction of this nature in order to integrate the Bill’s powers into the existing legislative and commercial landscape.
The use of the modification power is limited to the purpose of enabling the transfer powers to be used effectively. It is not a general power to amend legislation; it is targeted and limited. It cannot be used in isolation from the use of powers in respect of a particular steel undertaking to amend or disapply laws, and it cannot be used to amend the Bill—or Act—itself. In the absence of these powers, there is a real and significant risk that the Secretary of State could not fully and effectively implement a transfer. This could result in an ineffective or incomplete transfer to public ownership, affecting a company’s ability to continue operation. If a smooth transfer is not achieved, the public interest aims could be undermined.
I turn to the potential retrospective effect of the power. The Bill permits it to be applied retrospectively but does not require it. Preserving the possibility of applying this power retrospectively anticipates circumstances in which the transfer powers may need to be exercised at pace and in which there may be limits on the ability to conduct the level of due diligence necessary to support acquisition. Similarly, it may not be possible to identify all legislative interactions in the transfer scenario before making a transfer. This may mean that any secondary legislation made under the transfer powers may not fully affect the transfer that was intended. In such circumstances, it would be necessary to address this through the modification power, with the modification backdated to the time of transfer. The use of the power will be subject to the affirmative procedure unless there are particular circumstances that justify the Secretary of State proceeding on an affirmative basis, likely due to time pressures.
I hope that I have provided some clarity on the need to include the provision, and its retrospective effect. For these reasons, I respectfully ask that the amendment be withdrawn.
Lord Fox (LD)
On a number of occasions, the Minister has painted a picture of a breathless process, where all the organs of government have to operate at breakneck speed. Taking the Government at face value, we are talking largely about a particular asset that we have been talking about for around 15 months, since the discussion at Easter last year. At some point, perhaps not at the Dispatch Box but when we are having our meetings, the Minister will explain why there is this predisposition to putting everything in place to have things moving at the speed of light when, in reality, they have been moving relatively slowly.
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Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, for getting the old team together. I was missing the Employment Rights Bill, which had been such an important part of my life, so it is always good to get a refresh.
On UK employment tribunal waiting times—a point that the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, touched on—a 2026 analysis based on published decisions estimated an average of about 17 months for unfair dismissal cases in England and Wales, and a slightly better 14 months in Scotland. In some cases, the BBC reports that claimants in England and Wales have had to wait much longer than that. Tribunal delays vary a lot by case type and whether a case is single or multiple. Simpler unfair dismissal cases are obviously faster than discrimination or whistleblower cases, which tend to have longer hearings and require more evidence.
There is also regional diversity. As I have pointed out, Scotland appears to be materially faster than England and Wales. Can the Minister explain why that is the case, and what Scotland is doing that is significantly better, although still taking longer than it should?
The noble Lord asked whether the system is resilient and able to sustain this change. It is fair to say that this does not look like a resilient system; it looks like a system that has been stretched to or beyond breaking point. I am very pleased to hear the Minister say that the joint task force is beginning to offer some measures —he did not go into details as to what those measures are. The noble Lord, Lord Hunt, talked about triage. Triage would be a sensible way of sifting cases and filing them in the right way to improve the workflow through the tribunals that we have. Has analysis of the current waiting list been done to identify the sticking points and how they might be relieved? Are some tribunals better than others? Is there a league table? What extra resources have already been allocated, and what can be allocated? The Minister said that the task force was working “at pace”—a phrase that we all know we should avoid. I am sure that it was accidental.
Overall, this regret amendment is less about the measures it is seeking to regret and more about concern about the tribunal. As the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, pointed out, we talked a lot about the tribunal during the passage of the Employment Rights Bill. At that time, I said that once a case goes to a tribunal, both the employer and the employee are already in a losing position. Justice delayed, and delayed a long time, is justice denied, both for the employer and for the employee. I hope the Minister can address the issues we have raised, which, I would say to your Lordships, have very little to do with the statutory instruments in front of us. The regret amendment is merely a device that the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, has deployed to make sure that we miss the football—I point out that the England team are still 0-0; I wish them the very best, and I wish the Minister speed in his response.
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Fox. We are speaking, as we did several times during the passage of the Employment Rights Act, with one voice, and that voice tonight has met with a response from the Minister that still requires a whole range of actions to be taken. I join the noble Lord, Lord Fox, in recommending that everything possible should be done to resolve disputes at an earlier stage. This is the key, rather than overloading an already existing system that is creaking under pressure, although I know that tribunals are determined to try and meet the problems of overreliance and overcapacity.
I will say just two things about early resolution. I am troubled that discussions are taking place about the lack of resources for ACAS. ACAS could provide a great deal of opportunity for early resolution. I will also just say that I recall the noble Lord, Lord Fox, I think it was, or one of his colleagues, pressing for a review of Section 10, including the right to be accompanied at disciplinary and grievance hearings. Given the pressure on the employment tribunal system, does the Minister not agree—perhaps he might write to me about this—that better support for employees at an earlier stage might prevent some workplace disputes escalating unnecessarily? Will he at least indicate to us at some stage, perhaps in correspondence, how a review of that whole mechanism could proceed? There will be lots of opportunities, I hope, to resolve this.
Lord Fox (LD)
I was planning to write a letter on that very subject, because I felt that it was not necessarily due in this debate, so there is a letter heading in the Minister’s direction on the right to accompany. I appreciate the noble Lord raising that.
That is another demonstration that the Opposition speak with one voice. It is now up to the Minister to answer, but in the meantime, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
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Lords ChamberMy Lords, I thank the noble Lord for that question. While calls for delay are totally understandable, our existing steel safeguard will expire and cannot be extended under WTO rules. Without replacement measures, the UK risks becoming a destination for diverted, subsidised steel, as other jurisdictions act. We have carefully designed the regime and we are consulting extensively with producers and downstream users. Ministers are considering changes based on downstream feedback. We will continue engaging with industry and finalise the measures ahead of implementation on 1 July.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, in responding to the last point made by the noble Lord, today I forwarded to the Minister a very detailed list of the categorisations of steel that will not be available in the UK but which will be subject to tariffs, and I would appreciate a response on that. Further, he mentioned 1 July. Most of the steel under consideration is imported from the EU, and negotiations are under way with the EU around a mutual tariff system. It is unlikely that those negotiations will be concluded before 1 July. It makes no sense to implement a tariff regime and then come to an agreement with the EU which will necessarily change that regime, so will the Minister go back to his colleagues and suggest that no change is made to the UK tariff regime until the EU agreement has been concluded?
My Lords, I will address the noble Lord’s first point. Following extensive engagement with downstream importers, we have introduced a transitional arrangement, as the noble Lord knows, so that the new tariff will not apply to goods contracted before 14 March and imported between 1 July and 30 September of this year. Quotas will be administered quarterly, with unused allocations carried forward within a quota year to provide greater flexibility.
To address the point about the EU, the United Kingdom and the European Union share a unique trading relationship, with highly integrated steel supply chains that support jobs and industry on both sides. We are, as all noble Lords know, engaging closely with the European Commission to secure a solution that protects the vital EU-UK steel trade. While I cannot comment on live discussions, we have made it clear that restricting UK access to the EU market would disrupt supply chains, increase costs and harm businesses in both the UK and the EU.
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Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
I thank the noble Baroness for her advocacy for the importance of paternity leave and parental rights. We have already delivered real change through the Employment Rights Act. On 6 April, paternity leave and unpaid parental leave became day-one rights. Alongside these changes, we are undertaking this comprehensive review of the system to consider whether further reforms are required. We have engaged with a broad range of stakeholders, alongside evaluating other sources of evidence. We have received almost 1,500 responses to the call for evidence, and it is important that we consider these carefully before deciding what further reforms are required.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, we thank the noble Baroness, Lady Penn, for bringing this question up; it is really important. However, it is not just about rights that do not exist; current rights and their take-up is also a really important issue, and I hope the review will look at that. According to the 2025 Unison parental leave survey, there was an 86.3% uptake of maternal leave but only a 31.8% uptake of paternal leave. Paternal leave is just as important—in fact, even more important—because fathers are an important influence. Will the review look at the take-up of existing rights, as well as developing rights of the sort the noble Baroness, Lady Penn, talked about?
Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
The noble Lord is right to draw attention to the importance of fathers and mothers, the whole family unit and kinship carers in nurturing families, and the role of families in our communities. The review is wide-ranging. It is considering all existing entitlements and is looking at the implications for economic growth, labour market participation, maternal health and the best start in life. I am sure it will also look at the uptake of existing measures as well as potential extensions to entitlements, on top of what is already in place.
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Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
My noble friend is absolutely right to highlight the role of the south-west. Last week, the Secretary of State announced during a visit to Agratas in Somerset a £380 million government grant, which will support the construction of one of Europe’s largest gigafactories, notably built using 100% British steel. But if I get the chance, I would very much like to take up his suggestion.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, notwithstanding the developments that the Minister just spoke of and her Answer to my noble friend’s Question, it is clear that significant elements of battery vehicles will not be made in this country in time for the 2027 review of the rules of origin requirements, nor will they be there to meet the “Made in Europe” requirements which are likely to come in. Can the Minister tell your Lordships’ House what the Government are doing in advance of those negotiations to make sure that British electric cars will be able to be sold in the European Union?
Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
The noble Lord is right to highlight the importance of the EU as the largest market for UK-manufactured cars. The EU remains the UK automotive sector’s largest trading partner. We are talking closely with the EU on all aspects of regulatory developments in respect of EU battery rules, the EU digital battery passport and the “Made in Europe” content rules, because we want to continue to press the EU to avoid any detrimental impact on the UK and EU’s automotive sectors, given the integrated UK-EU supply chains.
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Lords ChamberMy Lords, only last year Ministers were forced to rush through the Steel Industry (Special Measures) Act, which was an emergency nationalisation of British Steel in an industry that they had helped to destabilise. That Act told us everything we need to know—socialists must seize the means of production because they are utterly incapable of creating, maintaining or managing it. Unfortunately, this strategy is a testament to that.
Since the intervention at British Steel, the National Audit Office has now reported on the actual cost. The taxpayer has been paying £1.28 million to British Steel every single day. This strategy was meant to be published last year but has been delayed many times because the Government have said that they needed to get it right. What they needed, it appears, was time to construct a protectionist nightmare—a scheme that throws up tariff walls of potentially up to 50% and showers subsidies on a narrow set of domestic producers, while leaving the downstream industries that depend on affordable steel to fend for themselves.
The Government tell us that this strategy is necessary because British steel producers face crippling energy costs and unsustainable labour costs. Whose fault is that? This Government have driven energy costs higher through the contradictions of their own net-zero agenda. This Government have loaded employers with higher national insurance contributions and the cumulative regulatory burden and costs of the Employment Rights Act. They now arrive with subsidies, presenting themselves as the saviours of the very sector they have helped to cripple.
We have seen this pattern before. It is the logic of the youth jobs subsidy: the Government manufacture hostile conditions then spend taxpayers’ money papering over the consequences of their own failure while the underlying damage festers untouched. It is always the taxpayer who must bear the full weight of this Government’s incompetence. Even after subsidy, the UK’s energy prices in the steel sector will be almost two and a half times those of the US, 15% above France and 25% above Germany. There was no mention at all of any Asian producers in the steel strategy. I wonder why.
On net zero, the Government cannot have it both ways. They have banned new domestic coking coal production in the name of environmental responsibility, but the United Kingdom now imports coking coal from abroad: 47% comes from the United States and 38% from the European Union. We are not, therefore, reducing emissions. We are offshoring them, and paying a premium to do so, while simultaneously claiming to be building a strong domestic primary steel industry on the very raw material that we have made it illegal to produce ourselves.
We are told that this strategy is a response to global overcapacity and that the world is awash with cheap foreign steel, undercutting our producers at every turn. I invite the Government to explain precisely what they mean, because some might recognise what they describe as overcapacity as competitive pricing. Cheap steel is not a threat to the British economy; it is a benefit to it. Lower input costs for our manufacturers, our construction firms and our aerospace and automotive sectors mean that those businesses can invest, grow and employ more people.
The Government propose to eliminate that benefit artificially in order to protect a narrow band of domestic producers, and the bill, as ever, falls to the taxpayer. We have already seen £377 million consumed by the emergency nationalisation of British Steel in under a year. Now, the Government are announcing another £2.5 billion. The consequences of this decision will be felt most immediately by the industries that depend on steel as an input. Consider, for example, the automotive sector. There is, on average, 900 kilograms of steel in every vehicle manufactured in this country. The sector supports over 150,000 jobs and is already under severe pressure. When President Trump imposed 25% tariffs on passenger vehicles, UK car exports to the United States fell 55.4% year on year.
Construction tells a similar story. It is the largest single consumer of steel in the United Kingdom, accounting for about 53% of all domestic steel demand, and it is already suffering its fourth consecutive quarter of falling output. I ask the Minister directly: have the Government assessed the cost that these tariffs will impose on the construction sector? If they have, that assessment is conspicuously absent from the strategy.
There is a deeper contradiction that the Government must answer. They offer two arguments for these tariffs. The first is overcapacity: too much foreign steel flooding the market, creating supply so abundant that it undercuts our producers at every turn. The second is national security: we are dangerously exposed to unstable foreign supply and cannot afford dependence on it. But these two arguments cannot coexist: if the world is drowning in cheap steel then supply is, by definition, abundant; if foreign supply is genuinely precarious and could be disrupted then the overcapacity does not exist. Which is it? Is there too much steel in the world, or too little? Until the Government can answer that question honestly, this strategy has no coherent foundation whatever.
The national security argument also deserves further scrutiny on its own terms. The Government’s own data reveals that direct defence procurement requires around 36,000 tonnes of steel per year. Total domestic steel demand runs between 9 million and 11 million tonnes. Defence procurement represents less than 1% of total demand. The notion that we require up to 50% import tariffs and billions in state subsidy to secure that supply is a protectionist canard. Genuine strategic resilience is achieved through diversification—sourcing from the widest possible range of allies and partners. A supply chain built across allied democracies will be far more resistant to even the most radical geopolitical events.
If the Government wish to understand how world-class industries are built, they need look no further than some of our own. Financial services, life sciences and Scotch whisky between them are worth tens of billions in exports and, in many cases, are the envy of the world. Not one of them was built through the protectionism of the state. They were built through open markets, accumulated capital and the freedom to compete.
The Government have set a target of 50% steel production. Can the Minister commit today to providing the House with regular updates on progress toward that target? Will the Government tell us what the exit strategy from public subsidy is and when private sector investment is expected to replace it? What does the future of British steel-making actually look like, and who will build it? Any new entrant to the British steel market today will still face high and rising electricity costs, banned domestic coking coal, import quotas raising the cost of scrap metal inputs and a market dominated by subsidised incumbents with the full backing of the state.
This side of the House is not indifferent to the communities whose livelihoods depend on steel, nor to the genuine strategic importance of manufacturing in this country. But we do British industry no favours by raising input costs for every sector that depends on steel, and we do this country no favours by abandoning the open, competitive, capital-generating approach that made us a strong economy in exchange for a protectionism that serves the few at the expense of the many.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for the Statement and welcome that there is a strategy here, although, as the noble Lord, Lord Sharpe, said, we were expecting it for some time. However, given what is happening in the world, reading this document conjures the image of someone trying to put up a tent in a howling blizzard, and at the heart of the blizzard are the energy market ructions caused by the Iran conflict.
The UK’s industrial energy costs were already at least twice those of the EU and four times those of the USA. The noble Lord, Lord Sharpe, and I have different multiples, but they are all very large. It is not clear to me whether these distortions that are already there in the UK energy pricing system will increase the gap as a result of the Iran issue as it bites. I doubt the gaps will narrow.
As the strategy sets out, the British industry supercharger scheme helps those companies that benefit from it. However, the steel industry comprises very many businesses, large and small, that do not qualify for the supercharger, although some may qualify for the British industrial competitiveness scheme—BICS. Can the Minister say how many steel-related businesses will benefit from BICS? However, BICS does not kick in until 2027. Given what is happening internationally, will the Minister undertake to speak with her Treasury colleagues about bringing forward the implementation of BICS? In any case, we should note that while the supercharger scheme exempts recipients from network charges, BICS does not, and those network charges are set to increase by a staggering 60%.
These are just a few of the reasons why, unless the Government revisit the energy costs issue, the steel strategy will quite simply be blown away.
Among the more eye-catching and concerning parts of the strategy are the new trade measures to introduce tariff-rate quotas and the possibility of, in future, raising most favoured nation—MFN—applied tariffs to 50%. Late last year, the Trade Remedies Authority ran its rule over imports of rebar from Vietnam and made recommendations to the Secretary of State. This was an entirely appropriate use of that body; indeed, it is what the body was created to do. Having worked on the Trade Act, which established the TRA, at the start of this decade, I see that it clearly has an important role, particularly given the wider scope of the potential actions set out in the strategy. But I do not see any reference in the strategy to the role of the TRA. Have the Government asked the TRA for its recommendations? When could we expect its report? It seems inappropriate to act without that authority.
Next, in his answer to questions in the Commons, the Secretary of State confirmed that there has been discussion with his EU counterparts and that the discussion would continue when they meet at the WTO. Can the Minister confirm that for the purposes of these discussions, steel’s treatment in the TCA—the trade and co-operation agreement with the EU—is equivalent to its treatment in an FTA; in other words, from a WTO perspective, is the TCA equal to an FTA? Furthermore, can the Minister say how, for the purposes of these discussions, the Government are treating the MoU with the USA regarding steel? I assume it does not have the status of an FTA, so how will this modify what we can legally do under the WTO with the United States?
I turn to the local impact of this strategy, which means that there remain question marks for a lot of our communities. My honourable friend in the Commons, David Chadwick MP, spoke very forcefully about the importance of steel to Wales and its economy. He also reinforced the need for faster action in ensuring that the electricity used, for example, to power the arc furnaces is green energy. I strongly commend his comments.
In geographical terms, I would like to highlight the South Yorkshire area, including Sheffield, where there is a host of important steel businesses. It is not just down to the headline firms; there are many other important businesses further down the supply chain that make up this vital steel ecosystem. These kinds of ecosystems are echoed all over the country. The Statement says the defence growth deal will be established in five areas, including South Yorkshire, as part of the defence industrial strategy. Can the Minister tell us when full details will be published? When will a defence growth deal be operational?
To support the effectiveness of a growth deal, a colleague of mine from Sheffield Council, with a strong steel background, suggests that a defence manufacturing supply chain database be built to include the hundreds of thousands of smaller tier 2 and tier 3 suppliers that are critical to our sovereign capability. In this way, the whole sector can be explicitly brought into the realm of the defence growth deal. Noble Lords will be surprised, I think, to know that there is no such survey and no such data available.
I was able to see how the Aerospace Growth Partnership worked effectively with its supply chain, and perhaps the Minister might like to look at how that operated and try to put the same principles into practice for steel. We on these Benches share the Government’s ambitions for a robust and growing steel sector, and we believe that this strategy makes some steps in the right direction. However, the already significant headwinds just got a whole lot worse. That is why success will depend on further action on energy, clarity on tariffs and a truly inclusive growth strategy.
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Business and Trade and Department for Science, Innovation and Technology (Baroness Lloyd of Effra) (Lab)
I thank noble Lords for their rich contributions. They have raised many matters that are covered in the steel strategy and are of vital importance to the future of steel-making and its centrality to the UK’s economic success.
This steel strategy is the first one to be set out. It explains the vision and sets out bold measures across the business environment, trade, electricity costs, carbon leakage and public procurement, and it is that which distinguishes it from what has gone before. We do not believe that, although the sector does face challenges, it is inevitable that it will decline. The steel strategy’s aim is to stabilise and rebuild our existing strategy, as the noble Lord opposite mentioned, with an aim to sustain 40% to 50% of domestic demand, which of course will be tracked over the coming years. We can see the benefit of moving with this vision to a greener, high-production steel model. Sheffield Forgemasters’ electric arc furnaces have the technical capability that we need to produce steel of the highest standards.
On the question of energy prices, businesses are naturally worried about the impact of the situation in the Middle East. The Prime Minister chaired a meeting of COBRA this afternoon and the Secretary of State is meeting business organisations to look at the impact on energy prices and the supply chain. We have a diverse and resilient energy system, but we are monitoring it extremely closely. If there is a lesson, it is that reducing dependence on externally produced fossil fuels and moving to clean, green, home-produced energy has to be the way of the future. That is exactly what we are doing with the clean energy mission to increase our energy security and reduce electricity bills over the long term.
However, as noble Lords have mentioned, there are measures in place right now, including the supercharger, the energy-intensive industries compensation scheme for steel producers and, as the noble Lord mentioned, the British industrial competitiveness scheme, which will reduce bills for other businesses in the sector more widely. As I mentioned, the Prime Minister, the Chancellor and the Secretary of State are looking very closely at what needs to be done in the current context so that our businesses can be supported through this tumultuous time.
On the question of the trade measure, it is designed to shield steel-making from the damaging effects of overcapacity. This is not something that is unique to the UK. The US, Canada and the EU all apply their own similar measures to tackle overcapacity. We want to do this so that the British steel industry contributes fully to Britain’s crucial national security and defence, and to shore up the UK’s resilience to global shocks. Without this action, the UK steel-making capability faces real jeopardy, leaving us reliant on overseas suppliers. We do not want to let that happen.
I stress that this measure follows the expiry of the UK steel safeguard measure on 30 June this year, but it is a different measure and it has been carefully calibrated, following engagement with downstream importers, to get the right balance between measures to support our domestic steel industry and ensuring that those who use steel in the national economy can manage their businesses well. Following engagement with those downstream importers, we are exploring a transitional arrangement under which the new tariff would not apply to goods under contracts agreed before 14 March and imported between 1 July and 30 September 2026. We are finalising those details to ensure it provides genuine support to firms facing unexpected costs, while still protecting the UK market from excessive imports. We will also review the measure after 12 months to ensure it remains effective.
On the question of how it fits with other international agreements, with regard to the TRA, this measure is distinct from the steel safeguard and is not a replacement. It is separate from trade remedies, such as the current safeguard, which it is the Trade Remedies Authority’s role to review, so the TRA does not have a role in reviewing the new measure. On the TCA, I say that the TCA is the same as an FTA in the eyes of the WTO. I fear I have not addressed all the questions, but I am sure I will come back to them shortly.
Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
I thank the noble Lord. I will be happy to meet with the industry representatives he talks about and to explore this in more detail. As he knows, we have changed the steel procurement guidance more generally, updating it to ensure that UK-made steel is regularly considered in public projects, and we are requiring procurers to consult a digital catalogue of UK-made steel products. But, specifically in the realm of defence, I would be very happy to take that further with the noble Lord.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, the answer that the Minister gave me on the Trade Remedies Authority was a little confusing—or it confused me, anyway. Can she set out in some detail in writing why the TRA is not involved in this? When you look at the Vietnam case, it is exactly analogous, only much less significant than the case we are looking at now. If it was good for the Vietnam rebar, why is it not good for the much larger and more important issue that we are discussing here? Perhaps a detailed letter would be helpful.
Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
This measure is distinct from the steel safeguard. It is distinct from trade remedies, which is why it is not the role of the Trade Remedies Authority to review it, because the TRA does not have a role in reviewing this measure.
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Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
We are putting this forward in the modernising corporate reporting consultation to clarify the legal situation for fully virtual AGMs, as I mentioned, to bring the certainty into line with other international jurisdictions. We are engaging with investors on what those shareholder rights and safeguards might look like, so that if shareholders and businesses want to move to fully virtual AGMs, we will know what they might be. Examples could include five-year shareholder votes or best practice or guidance of that kind.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, if it is the Minister’s prediction that it is left up to shareholders to make the decision, the institutional shareholders will always outvote the individual shareholders. That is why individual shareholders should have their day at an AGM. When I organised AGMs for the three FTSE companies that I worked for, the chairman and I worked very hard on preparing for the questions that the awkward squad would be coming up with at those AGMs. To remove the proximity of the shareholder from the chairman is to lose that important check. Will the Minister go back and make sure that this is a firm part of the consultation?
Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
All noble Lords and the noble Baroness have raised the importance of AGMs. They are incredibly important. They are important for engaging shareholders, large and small, but particularly, as has been mentioned, those who perhaps do not have an institutional voice. We are engaging with investors and the shareholder representative organisations on what the shareholder safeguards should be, so that will be taken into account in the consultation.
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Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, the Minister called for wisdom and expertise. It is a great pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Alexander, who displayed both of those, but I am afraid the Minister now has me.
The Minister set the scene in his admirably concise introduction, but I want to look at some of the numbers. They are big numbers—not quite as big as our trade deficit with China, but big numbers none the less. We have heard that the Bill increases the Government’s ability to provide financial support to industry and exporters by raising long-standing limits. It boosts the cap on selective industrial financial assistance under the Industrial Development Act 1982 from £12 billion to £20 billion, which is a big increase. The maximum amount by which the Secretary of State can raise this limit has been increased from £1 billion to £1.5 billion, reflecting inflation over the period since it was last adjusted in 2009.
As we have heard, the Bill also significantly expands UK Export Finance’s statutory commitment limit under the Export and Investment Guarantees Act 1991, increasing it from the current equivalent of around £84 billion to £160 billion, converting the limit from special drawing rights to sterling to create some simplicity, and allowing further rises of up to £15 billion through secondary legislation without restricting the number of times such increases can be made. It will be helpful if the Minister can confirm that those numbers are correct. He did not use them in his introduction, but it is important for the record that we have them.
These changes are intended to maintain uninterrupted support for investment, exports and jobs, ensuring that the Government can back key sectors such as advanced manufacturing, life sciences and defence, without hitting the old limits. By raising these thresholds now, the Government say that the Bill prevents constraints on viable projects at a time when businesses are making critical investment and export decisions, providing necessary headroom to offer support only where justified, while safeguarding taxpayers and sustaining the UK’s credibility. On the face of it, this is a sensible uprating, which we support. However, its passage through the Commons was not without query and I will raise some of those queries again for the Minister to perhaps recap the answers.
In the Commons, MPs from several parties highlighted that the Bill authorises very large increases in industrial assistance and export guarantees with relatively light ex ante control. There are weak safeguards, limited transparency and scrutiny over what are, or could be, very large sums, and there are potential ethical and risk concerns around how export finance could be used. Critics argued that this scale of contingent liability exposes taxpayers to significant risk, with Parliament largely limited to retrospective annual reports rather than regular, detailed scrutiny of which firms and sectors are being supported—I think that was the point the noble Lord, Lord Pitkeathley, made about updates as to where the money is going.
In the Commons, cross-party amendments sought to block support where there is reason to believe that modern slavery or human trafficking are present in the supply chains. We on these Benches believe that it is unacceptable for any taxpayer-backed finance to underwrite that sort of exploitation, so it would be useful to know from the Minister how that will be overseen. Other amendments aimed to prevent UK Export Finance supporting goods which are likely to be re-exported to sanctioned destinations. It is very important that those safeguards are strengthened and any loopholes removed.
There are also questions about how all this fits in with the industrial strategy. The Bill certainly expands financial capacity, but what is the Government’s plan for which sectors and regions should benefit, particularly concerning steel, which is an ongoing issue, and other strategically important industries? Can the Minister confirm how the applications will be managed? Are they on a first come, first served basis? Does it stop when we run out of money, or will some sort of strategic overlay be put on to applications for drawing down on these funds? If it will, who will manage this overlay, and how will it be overseen and reported back to your Lordships’ House?
While we are talking about industrial assistance, I have spent the last eight years on the replumbing of the United Kingdom post Brexit. One of the many Acts I worked on was the Subsidy Control Act 2022. We would be very interested to know how industrial assistance will be managed within the Subsidy Control Act. The noble Baroness, Lady Alexander, also brought up the UK Internal Market Act, which was also part of the replumbing, and she asked some really important questions around that. There are constraints around what can and cannot be done, not least our own constraints, which were built looking at GATT and other things in the outside world.
Additionally, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Empey, for his really knowledgeable input on SMEs. I also have an observation that historically, the bulk of export finance money goes to larger firms; it does not go to SMEs. Although the Bill is being pitched as helping SMEs, there is no real indication in the Bill as to how that will be done. Experience shows that they will not be the major recipients of this uprating, so, like the noble Lord, I await the Minister’s views on this.
There is also this issue about government finance crowding out other finance, and how the process will be managed so that it is crowding in, not crowding out. It is really important that investment that would have come in any case is not being displaced. We really need to know that public money is going to be used genuinely as additional rather than substitutional. I look forward to the Minister’s response on these issues, but notwithstanding that, we support the changes being brought forward.
In conclusion, it is important to support investment, exports and jobs in sectors such as manufacturing, life sciences and defence, and it is vital that this support is extended to SMEs. On a broader note, a huge lever for UK exports would be to be included in the EU’s Security Action for Europe—so-called SAFE—financial instrument. As the Minister knows, this would give access to up to €150 billion of finance. Can the Minister update us on where we are on attempts to find our way into that programme? Of course, the looming threat of “Made in Europe” will do the opposite of what we are seeking to do here. It will exclude our businesses, our automotive businesses in particular, from exports. Clearly, the closer the UK is to the EU, the easier this will be to resolve—but, as the Minister knows, in this case, time is of the essence. The Bill is important, but sorting out our relationship with the European Union should be the priority. That said, we support the Bill.
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Lords Chamber
Lord Stockwood (Lab)
The reason I have come into government is to try to balance the need to grow our economy with making sure that our economy works for all sectors and parts of our country. Creating an economy that delivers for businesses and for working people requires some changes. To put these into perspective, total annual employment costs in the UK were £1.4 trillion in 2024, and the costs associated with the Act that the noble Lord mentioned are equivalent to an increase of less than 0.1% of that. Those reforms are not about burdening businesses for the sake of it; many employers already offer good terms and conditions that go well beyond what the law requires, and will consequently be less impacted by this package. The Act is designed simply to help level the playing field, so that responsible businesses and employers cannot be undercut.
Lord Fox (LD)
My Lords, the Minister is no doubt aware of recent research published by King’s Business School late last year which estimates that foreign direct investment is 12% to 18% lower than it would have been had the United Kingdom not left the European Union. Does the Minister agree with me that the best way to make his job to attract investment into this country easier is for us to eliminate from our economy many of the bad things that Brexit brought, as quickly as possible? We could start by negotiating a customs union.
Lord Stockwood (Lab)
Hold that thought.
In the seven months I have been doing this job, the UK has clearly been redefining its position in the world, post Brexit and Covid. I am proud to be part of a Government who are out there doing trade deals, whether with India, the Gulf states or the US—ours is its first deal globally. Undoubtedly, renewed engagement with our closest trading partner, which represents 41% of exports from the UK and high figures for our direct investment, is critical to our long-term success. I would not go as far as the noble Lord suggests, but I agree that we are now in a position to have constructive and equitable conversations with our European partners.
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Lords Chamber
Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
My noble friend is right to ask about mandate and risk appetite. This is the direction that the British Business Bank is taking, guided by its new strategic mandate. It is increasingly taking bigger bets to enable innovative British companies to scale and stay in the UK. The Government have provided a one-third uplift to the BBB’s financial capacity to help it to do so. It is able to leverage deep industry expertise across its investment activities, including both direct investments and investments made through funds.
Lord Fox (LD)
My lords, as has been alluded to, as well as operating on a commercial basis the British Business Bank is expected to fill structural gaps in the capital market. As the sponsor of the British Business Bank, how does the Minister see its role in scaling up the UK defence supply chain? How will the British Business Bank help us to deliver the defence industry that we absolutely need?
Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
The British Business Bank’s new strategic mandate explicitly talks about supporting businesses in the industrial strategy priority sectors, which, as noble Lords will know, includes defence. One of the things that we will be doing is looking at where the financing gap is, whether that is for R&D intensive or deep-tech companies, and at investing behind specialist fund managers or investment strategies that specifically support particular sectors. Using its mandate, and with the increased financial capacity, the British Business Bank will be able to support our defence industry supply chain here in the UK.