Employment Rights Bill (First sitting)

Anneliese Midgley Excerpts

Committee stage
Tuesday 26th November 2024 Public Bill Committees

[Michael Wheeler (Worsley and Eccles) (Lab)]

I also refer to my declaration in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests, and my membership of the Union of Shop, Distributive and Allied Workers and GMB.

[Anneliese Midgley (Knowsley) (Lab)]

I also refer to my declaration of interests. I am member of Unite and GMB.

[Alison Hume (Scarborough and Whitby) (Lab)]

I also refer to my declaration of interests and my membership of Unison and the Writers’ Guild of Great Britain.

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[The Chair]

Anneliese Midgley is next. If we are brief with the question and answers, we will have time for one more question after this.

[Anneliese Midgley]

Q My question is for Mr Hale. Can you confirm if the FSB has an HR service that it sells to its members, and if so, does that provide an incentive for you to talk up the impact of the Bill to your members?

David Hale: No, it is the opposite. FSB provides services to members, and one of the biggest services it provides is legal advice. One of the biggest things it provides legal advice for is employment relationships. Obviously, it is in the narrow interest of FSB as an organisation for employment law to be more complicated and less usable. However, we do not come here to argue for things that make FSB a more valuable product; we come here to argue for reasons why we do not have to exist—because the Government have made life easy enough for small businesses. We are owned and run by our members, and we are constitutionally required to act in the interests of small businesses.

Obviously, the more complicated employment law is made, the more likely we are to have people join and call an employment line. It would be irresponsible of us to try and change the law to make it more complicated and to make a bigger use case for joining FSB. We would never do that and we do not do that. It would be in the narrow interests of FSB for employment law to be complicated, but that is not what we are here to do.

[The Chair]

Dom?

Dom Hallas: I do not have a view.

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[The Chair]

I am going to move on to Anneliese Midgley for the last question very briefly, and with a brief answer.

[Anneliese Midgley]

Q Cathryn, earlier you identified that the CMI said that a lot of good employers and good businesses have already adopted a lot of the measures in this Bill, and other panellists have identified that as well. Could you say a bit more about why you think good employers and businesses already practise a lot of the measures in this Bill?

Cathryn Moses-Stone: I think it leads on from what Carly was saying. They see the direct benefits of creating happy, supported, trusting and inclusive workplaces. We have a lot of research that shows that really highly-trained managers and leaders create more inclusive workplaces, which has a really positive knock-on effect on both the business and people’s happiness. I think that everything I have said probably builds towards that same argument. It is better for the business as well as people.

[The Chair]

Thank you—that is a good point on which to finish. That brings us to the end of time allotted for the Committee to ask questions of the three witnesses before us in this sitting. I thank those witnesses for giving clear answers to the questions. The Committee will meet again this afternoon in the Boothroyd room.