Great British Energy Bill

Lord Ashcombe Excerpts

Committee stage
Monday 13th January 2025 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Noakes (Con)]

My Lords, I want to offer a slightly different perspective on this group of amendments. All the amendments in this group, and indeed some later groups, involve a series of rather worthy things—for which there are to be reports or other consequences—to be achieved by giving a direction to Great British Energy. While I support the amendments on the basis that they are probing amendments, I find it difficult to support the structure of the amendments themselves.

It seems to me that, by using the power of direction in Clause 6, the amendments would undermine the nature of that power and subvert the effectiveness of the power of direction, which is a long-standing feature of the control framework for public corporations. Powers of direction for nationalised industries were commonplace when nationalisation took hold from the 1940s onward. I do not know whether they existed before that, but they certainly have a pedigree of nearly 80 years. The first one of which I am aware is in relation to the Bank of England Act 1946, which nationalised the Bank of England. They have been a feature of public body legislation ever since, except in relation to bodies which are created as regulatory bodies.

The power of direction was never conceived as a mechanism for giving routine instructions to public bodies, which is what all the amendments in this group and the subsequent groups are trying to do. In fact, throughout the history of nationalised industries, the power of direction has almost certainly not been used. In relation to the Bank of England, I asked the previous Government fairly recently whether they would like to give up the power of direction over the Bank of England and whether they had used it since 1946; the answer was that they had never used it since 1946, but they definitely wanted to keep it. The fact that a power has not been used does not necessarily have any meaning, because it is designed as a backstop power for use in extreme circumstances. The mere fact of its existence can be a powerful weapon in the hands of the Government of the day.

It should be an uncontested fact that the Government ultimately call the shots in relation to public corporations, however much operational independence they claim to be handing over to them when they set the bodies up. The board of a public body should be very wary of not following the wishes of the Government of the day, unless those wishes conflict with their legal and statutory objectives.

I will always defend the ability of the Government to give directions to a public body, because public bodies should not be above the Government of the day. I think there are far too many public bodies, but if we have to have them, we must have an effective power of telling them what to do when necessary. I would definitely not want that core power to be diluted by being cluttered up with a lot of more day-to-day matters, which is partly what the amendments in this group and subsequent amendments do.

The concerns of my noble friend on the Front Bench and indeed other noble Lords who have drafted these amendments would be better met by placing specific requirements in the Bill, rather than by cluttering up the power of direction which has a very special place in the control framework for public bodies.

[Lord Ashcombe (Con)]

My Lords, I support my many noble friends in their amendments in this wide-ranging group. I declare my interest as an insurance broker in the energy industry for Marsh.

In the Labour manifesto under the section entitled “Make Britain a clean energy superpower”, its second mission to rebuild Britain, there is a plan to create 650,000 jobs by 2030. This will obviously need to include the supply chain, as the number of jobs required for running energy projects will never reach this amount.

In the Great British Energy Founding Statement, we learn:

“Backed by a capitalisation of £8.3 billion of new money over this Parliament, Great British Energy will work closely with industry, local authorities, communities and other public sector organisations to help accelerate Britain’s pathway to energy independence. That means installing thousands of clean power projects across the country, crowding in investment for next-generation technologies, and providing vital support to accelerate large-scale projects”.


For new money, we can read taxpayers’ money.

When taxpayers’ money is being spent, it simply cannot be thought of as a blank cheque, in this case with a large upper limit. It is imperative that there are checks and balances in the system to ensure that money is spent wisely to the benefit of the country. I suggest to the Minister that some of these measures might include the following: the need to demonstrate the benefit in each venture towards the £300 saving so heavily touted in the run-up to the general election; the need to demonstrate the benefit in each venture towards the creation of 650,000 jobs on the back of this clean energy drive and again touted in the run-up to the general election; and the need to ensure that grid connections, as have been mentioned, to connect the new generating assets are available as and when needed, something that has been very difficult to achieve in the past. That would also prevent ludicrous curtailment payments. The costs from NESO to do this are enormous—I believe I am right in saying some £40 billion a year until 2030.

The measures also need to show the net effect of carbon emissions and the reductions being made as the years progress, which is what this Bill is all about. However, it is especially important to consider not only scope 1 emissions, being direct greenhouse gas emissions that occur from sources that are controlled or owned by an organisation, and scope 2 emissions, being indirect greenhouse gas emissions associated with the purchase of electricity, steam, heat or cooling but also—and possibly most importantly—scope 3 emissions, being the greenhouse emissions resulting from activities from assets not owned or controlled by the reporting organisation but that the organisation indirectly affects in its value chain. My noble friend Lord Hamilton talked about one specific example. In my opinion, this has specific reference to solar panels, which are manufactured predominantly—some 85%—in China, and wind turbines, of which 60% are manufactured in China, which has certainly not demonstrated any restraint in curbing emissions. Then, there is the subsequent voyage to the final destination. Let us not forget what the noble Lord, Lord Alton, said.

There is also the need to show a reduction in imported energy—both via electrical interconnectors and hydrocarbons as LNG or by pipe from Norway and the continent—balanced against the production of our own North Sea gas and being allowed to continue to search for more off our abundant coasts.

Further, there is the need to show that a significant percentage of the materials used in any work done is generated in the UK and the need to demonstrate that we are becoming more self-sufficient in power generation—something we have not got to yet. Finally, but of no lesser importance, there is the need to demonstrate financial return to the benefit of the taxpayer.

In a number of these amendments, various timeframes have been suggested to produce a fair audit trail for Parliament and the taxpayer. Without them, who will know the real benefits of all this expense? Does the Minister agree that measurement provides results and therefore helps to determine the way forward?

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[The Earl of Caithness (Con)]

My Lords, I apologise to the Committee for missing the first bit of my noble friend’s introduction to his amendments. I take this opportunity to ask the Minister whether he could update the Committee on where we are with the land use strategy. Like the noble Lord, Lord Cameron, I, too, have been banging that drum for some time.

As the noble Baroness, Lady Young of Old Scone, gently chided my noble friend for the length of his introduction, I say to her that he is perfectly entitled to speak for 12 and a half minutes when introducing an amendment. That would not be the case if he were just one of the rest of us.

[Lord Ashcombe (Con)]

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Fuller’s group of amendments. Significant construction projects inevitably bring competing interests. In this case, the clash is between renewable energy development and agriculture, as well as other environmental considerations beyond decarbonisation. Land use, particularly on a densely populated island, must be approached with great care. Currently, we import approximately 40% of our food. While today’s discussions may focus on volatile oil and gas prices, tomorrow’s may shift to the cost and availability of food. This creates a fundamental dilemma. What should take precedence: food or energy?

Food security highlights the need to prioritise high-grade land for agriculture. However, the Government’s plan to build 1.5 million homes—typically on the edge of towns and villages—threatens this priority. Settlements have historically been sited on fertile land, and expanding housing developments will inevitably consume some of it. Essential services such as schools and shops will require further land use, compounding the problem.

Designating renewable energy as part of the nationally significant infrastructure plan risks bypassing legislation designed to protect communities and high-grade land. Restricting onshore renewable projects to grade 4 and 5 land would safeguard high-quality agricultural land and reduce the impact on the more heavily populated areas. According to Solar Energy UK, currently solar installations take almost 20 times the amount of grade 1 land available as opposed to grade 5. I seriously question whether this is the right ratio and ask the Minister whether he believes that it is.

With the Government’s ambitious housing targets, should it not be mandated that all new building, including homes and commercial premises, be fitted with solar panels, as mentioned partially by the noble Earl, Lord Russell? This would make better use of land already out of agricultural use and reduce the pressure while advancing renewable energy goals.

Great British Energy should refrain from developing high-grade agricultural land, nor is there any justification for it to acquire such land unless Amendment 104 is adhered to. Once agricultural land is repurposed for construction, it is rarely restored. At the end of their operational life, renewable projects will leave behind brownfield sites that will probably be redeveloped, permanently altering the land’s use, leading to unintended consequences for the environment.

I draw attention to the potential conflicts between decarbonisation and other environmental concerns—for example, the low-level but persistent noise from onshore wind and solar farms, generated by inverters and transformers, which can disturb rural communities. Biodiversity loss is another critical concern, also highlighted by my noble friend Lord Fuller.

I strongly support the amendments and urge the Committee to carefully balance food security, environmental protection and renewable energy expansion.

[Viscount Goschen (Con)]

My Lords, I remind the Committee of my interests in that I own a farm in Devon.

My noble friend Lord Fuller has done the Committee a service by raising the issues of planning and land resource allocation more generally in the context of the Bill. I listened carefully to the remarks of the noble Baroness, Lady Young of Old Scone, and I think she is right: this is a very much broader issue than this relatively narrow Bill. None the less, this is an important moment to raise such issues. I very much hope that we will get a substantive response from the Minister when he addresses these considerations.

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[Lord Murray of Blidworth (Con)]

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 85D and 85E in my name. I regret that I was unable to speak at Second Reading, but I am pleased to be able to take part in this debate in Committee.

My amendment seeks to address a lacuna in the Bill. As many noble Lords before me have observed, the Bill lacks a vital detail. Parliament is being asked to approve the establishment of a vehicle for the investment of £8.3 billion of taxpayer money, and yet we have no clarity on how this money will be spent. All these decisions will be for Great British Energy to make under the direction of the Secretary of State. We believe that this is a most unsatisfactory way to proceed, and my amendment seeks to probe the Government’s intention on energy storage, as well as giving the Government the opportunity to improve the Bill with a clear statutory duty to invest in energy storage.

Just last Thursday we had a debate in this House on the importance of energy storage, and I agree with the amendments that my noble friend Lord Lilley has tabled. Improvements in energy storage infrastructure will be crucial if we are to continue on our journey to greater reliance on renewable sources of energy. I am pleased that the noble Baroness, Lady Gustafsson, has recognised the importance of energy storage as part of our path to clean energy, as she did last week when she said the Government

“recognises the value of strategic energy reserves as a source of energy resilience and security of supply, balancing system flexibility, particularly during periods of energy supply shortage”.—[Official Report, 9/1/25; col. 845.]

Given the importance of investing in energy storage as part of our long-term strategy, we should surely put this at the centre of this Bill. In fact, the objects of GB Energy, as outlined in Clause 3, include

“facilitating, encouraging and participating in … the … storage … of clean energy”.

It is therefore deeply concerning that the Bill makes no provisions to effect that objective.

Amendment 85E in my name complements Amendment 85D. It is a simple amendment and merely requires an annual report from Great British Energy on the overall cost to the taxpayer of curtailing the supply of renewable energy. This will principally apply to offshore wind, which frequently produces excess supply. Under the current arrangements, the taxpayer pays offshore energy producers to reduce their supply and this has been extremely costly, driving up energy prices for consumers.

In December 2023 the think tank Carbon Tracker estimated that wasted wind power would add £40 to consumer bills, and predicted that this figure would rise to £150 in 2026. Clearly, consumers have a direct interest in us getting to grips with this problem, and the Government would surely agree that the establishment of Great British Energy presents an opportunity to do this. It is therefore critical that GB Energy looks to invest in long-duration energy storage, which would mitigate the increased cost to consumers resulting from wasted energy.

With this said, can the Minister clarify whether the Government anticipate that the Secretary of State will give a direction to GB Energy to invest in energy storage, to ensure we are prepared for what the Germans call Dunkelflaute periods, such as we had just last week when several gas power stations were fired up at great expense to the taxpayer? Do the Government see a role for Great British Energy in helping to improve planning for energy supply deficits in the future? Finally, do the Government agree that improved energy storage infrastructure will reduce our reliance on gas-powered power stations in the future? I beg to move.

[Lord Ashcombe (Con)]

My Lords, I speak in support of these two important amendments, proposed by my noble friend Lord Murray of Blidworth. Thanks to the Library research team, I have gained greater knowledge of the size of constraint payments to the power producers for either constraining production or to rebalance the system. These payments are not insignificant, and I would like to advise them to your Lordships. The years that I am about to cite run April to March. In 2020-21, the amount was £1,070 million; in 2021-22, it was almost £1.5 billion; in 2022-23, it was £600 million; in 2023-24, it was £1.3 billion; and, in this year from April to October, it was £960 million. This gives a total of £4.78 billion. As mentioned by my noble friend, these amounts get added to the bills of consumers, businesses and households.

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[Viscount Trenchard (Con)]

My Lords, I support Amendment 85F, tabled by my noble friend Lord Murray and Amendments 85G and 85H tabled by my noble friend Lord Fuller. As I explained in an earlier group, it is very clear that the price of electricity is presently adversely affected by the pricing mechanism applied by NESO, which is the price being determined by the last price of gas as used. If you are using gas only as a balancing item—that is, when the wind is not blowing and the sun is not shining, you fire up a gas power station to make sure the lights do not go out—it is much more expensive. The electricity generated by that last switch on of a gas power station determines the price of electricity, and that has a huge negative effect on the consumer, obviously. That is why these amendments are so necessary.

I would like to ask the Minister if he thinks that it is right that the electricity price is determined by the last firing up of a gas power station, which is being used simply as a balancing item when the wind does not blow and the sun does not shine. As we have seen over the last few days, there have been many days when the proportion of our electricity generated from wind is under 10% and that generated by gas goes above 50%, which means that power stations that are used only occasionally are being fired up, and that is very expensive.

[Lord Ashcombe (Con)]

My Lords, it is worth stating what is going on out there on the national grid right now. Gas and wind are supplying between 42% and 43% each; therefore, it is the gas price that is driving the price for everything. We are in the unusual position right now where we are exporting electricity to the continent because they need it more than we do. To have 42% driven by gas, with the price at over £100 a megawatt hour at the moment, seems worrying, and what we can do to curtail that must be important; but gas is not going away any time soon, and we have to be careful about how we moderate the reduction in it.

[Lord Offord of Garvel (Con)]

My Lords, I whole-heartedly support Amendments 85G and 85H in the name of my noble friend Lord Fuller, as well as Amendment 85F in the name of my noble friend Lord Murray of Blidworth. The objects of GB Energy, as outlined in Clause 3, state that they are restricted to

“facilitating, encouraging and participating in ... the production, distribution, storage and supply of clean energy”.

The Minister has made a virtue in this House that the Bill does not focus on any one particular technology or solution, but would it not be correct to assume that GB Energy has actually been set up in an effort to boost the production of renewable energy in the UK? Otherwise, what is the investment of £8 billion to be spent on? The Government say that GB Energy is part of their mission to make the UK a clean energy superpower, but how can we ensure that it delivers on these promises? I have seen in both the previous days of debate in Committee that the details in this Bill are at best scarce, and the Bill makes no provisions to report on the impact of each investment that GBE makes on renewable energy production. How, again, are we supposed to measure its success in delivering for the British people, as promised throughout the election campaign?

It is in the public’s interest to disclose the impact of GBE’s energy investments and activities on the level of energy produced from renewable sources, whether that be solar, wind or hydrogen. It seems incredible that this Bill, which establishes a so-called clean energy company, does not include a means by which GB Energy is required to report on the generation of clean energy. Indeed, this is an alarming oversight.

My noble friend Lord Fuller has rightly outlined an additional reason as to why the reporting on the impact of GB Energy’s investment on the levels of renewable energy generated is so critical. As has been mentioned many times, Europe has recently experienced another dunkelflaute. Just last month, for three consecutive days, more than 60% of electricity generation in the UK had to come from gas, as wind output dropped. At the same time, our partners in Germany paid the highest average price per megawatt since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, with a lack of wind being the main factor behind this escalation.

It is essential that renewable energy generation associated with GB Energy’s functions is closely monitored, if we are to maintain our energy security. The Secretary of State has said that one of the aims of GB Energy would be to improve our energy security— this, too, is mentioned in Clause 3. However, I am deeply concerned that the Government’s tunnel-visioned focus on green energy alone risks threatening our energy security. I am sure the Minister will want to see the successes, maybe even the failures, of GB Energy in helping to generate renewable energy. If this is true, he will have no problem in offering support to the amendments in my noble friends’ names. Ultimately, these amendments require the most basic and necessary levels of reporting.