Cancer Medicines: Appraisals

Debate between Siobhain McDonagh and Tracey Crouch

Tuesday 13th June 2023 Westminster Hall

[Tracey Crouch (Chatham and Aylesford) (Con)]

I think this is my first time speaking under your chairmanship, Mrs Harris; I am sure it will be a great pleasure. I congratulate the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon) on securing this important debate, and on his excellent speech setting out the issues with the new NICE methods and processes for cancer drugs. The hon. Member for Mitcham and Morden (Siobhain McDonagh) described him as a national treasure. As a Minister, I was once in charge of national treasures; I feel I lost the opportunity to enshrine his legacy in a Bill before Parliament, during whose passage I am sure he would have intervened.

The hon. Member for Strangford set out an interesting problem, and, like him, I am grateful for the briefing I have received on the matter. I am humbled to follow the hon. Member for Mitcham and Morden. I have been on the cancer treadmill, and I think that, as patients, people become incredibly compliant; they do as they are told. It is often much harder for those who love someone who has cancer. They fight for better treatment and care on behalf of their loved one because it is all that they feel they can do, as the hon. Lady set out.

We need to do so much more on rarer cancers, particularly brain cancers. I quickly googled global survival rates for glioblastoma; the survival rate in the US is 26%, compared with 10% in the UK as the hon. Member for Mitcham and Morden set out. That shows that factors such as access to drugs can make a significant difference to outcomes. I am sure that the Minister heard very much what she said, and many people who are suffering from brain tumours will be grateful for her contribution.

I have no intention of becoming the poster girl for all things cancer. In some cases, I still find talking about my experience of the disease quite hard, but I wanted to speak in this debate because I also find it infuriating that we lag behind so many countries on many cancer-related areas, including access to medicine. However, I want to give some good news on cancer targets from my area. It is extremely worrying for anyone to read front-page news of missed targets, backlogs, delays and so on at the start of their cancer journey, but in Kent and Medway we are fortunate to have one of the top performing alliances in the country for meeting the 62-day standard, with both Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust and Medway NHS Foundation Trust reaching 85%. In fact, MTW, which is where I was treated, has consistently met its targets for the last three years, having kept all its cancer services open during the pandemic. The improvements are generally down to achieving more rapid diagnoses by triaging referrals and sending as many patients as possible straight to their diagnostic test.

A lot of evidence links early diagnosis with better outcomes. Despite having top-notch treatments available on the NHS, the UK still lags behind Europe and the US. There may be many reasons, but my view and that of many others is that the main push should be for diagnosing patients as early as possible to improve outcomes. However, we really cannot afford to get into a situation where we do not have access to the latest treatments; otherwise, outcomes may worsen. There is a conundrum, which can be summarised as: methods and processes versus cost versus data—and it is really hard to squish that triangle into a circle. I met two pharmaceutical companies to learn about this issue. Although I am not naive to its aims, I was struck by the disadvantage that the changes to NICE’s methods and processes could leave UK cancer patients with.

The hon. Member for Strangford outlined the background to the changes so I will not repeat them in great detail, but in summary, in 2022 NICE changed the way it reviews disease severity as part of its assessment process. It introduced the severity modifier and removed the end-of-life criteria, which gave a higher value weighting to medicines for terminal illnesses. That change is likely to negatively impact cancer medicines in particular. Capacity issues, cost containment measures and other commercial environment factors are steadily combining to create a life sciences sector that is disincentivised to focus on cancer innovations or invest in the UK. That in turn will pose challenges to achieving the Government’s ambitions to accelerate access to oncology medicines and meet the policy targets set out in the “Life Sciences Vision” and the NHS long-term plan.

What worries me is that big, global oncology conferences take place—like the recent American Society of Clinical Oncology conference in Chicago—which are brilliantly reported in our newspapers, with references to breakthrough drugs for x cancer sending shivers of hope down the spines of people like me and many others, when the truth is that very few of those drugs will reach our NHS due to NICE methods.

That is when I see the other side of the argument, at least to some extent. We should really be congratulating whoever does the procurement negotiations with pharma to drive down the cost to the NHS so that investment can be made in other areas of cancer, such as diagnostics, although that can be stretched only so far before companies pull their drugs from the market. It is about finding a sweet spot that works well for both.

Data is another challenge. There is a lack of outcome data available to NICE in the full assessment of some medicines. The problem for pharmaceutical companies is that this data is hard to come by. Outside of a clinical trial, they have little or no access to outcome data from the use of the drug in the real world, and if it is expensive, it is hard to prescribe it without a NICE recommendation in the first place—thus we have come full circle due to a lack of evidence and, of course, the increasing cost.

[Siobhain McDonagh]

Does the hon. Lady agree that it seems crazy that in a system as universal as the NHS there should not be access to outcome data? To give just one example, South West London Elective Orthopaedic Centre at Epsom Hospital is the largest hip and knee replacement centre outside of America. It is the lowest for blood risks, and has the lowest infection rates and quickest turnaround. It has its own small charity and keeps the data, making £1 million a year from it. That could go some way towards paying for the latest cancer drugs.

[Tracey Crouch]

I entirely agree. Data sharing will help cancer outcomes full stop, not just in the example she gives. If my GP sent me for a breast screening, for example, the person doing the screening could not currently see whether I have had a cervical screening. Having the conversation about screening for other cancers while having some form of cancer screening is an important aspect of long-term survival rates, so I completely agree with the hon. Lady.

It appears that NICE, through changes to its methods and processes, has probably got stricter on the level of evidence it requires before it will make a recommendation, so that it ensures that there is a survival benefit to the things it recommends, all of which is a potential reason that we should collect and share data better across the NHS. We could allow pharma better access to anonymised NHS data, and some trusts already do so with strict governance in place. Working together in this way would allow us to access the actual impact of a drug when it is used outside of a trial and allow NICE to make a real-world evidence-based recommendation, which would be particularly helpful for rarer cancers such as glioblastoma.

We have to get over the clinical reticence of not using a drug before it has a NICE recommendation, otherwise we will never get the real-world data. Some 80% of cancer drugs recommended by NICE were only recommended if the price to the NHS was reduced, so, given that in the UK clinicians tend not to prescribe without a positive NICE recommendation, the pharmaceutical companies essentially have to drop the price to get the recommendation for the drug to be on the market. In all those points, it is forgotten that at the centre of this is a cancer patient just wanting to get the best possible treatment to live for as long as possible.

We all want positive outcomes for cancer. NICE has committed to keeping its new methods under review. During this time, it is essential that flexibility is maintained when considering disease severity so as to ensure timely and ongoing patient access. Pharmaceutical companies want to be at the forefront of developing life-enhancing, cancer-beating drugs for the market. There has to be a sensible way forward, but at the moment it feels like the changes may have made things worse for current and future cancer patients hoping for breakthrough life-enhancing treatments.

I know the Minister to be a sensible and reasonable person. I hope he will take renewed vigour from what he has heard so far in the debate and will sit down with all the interested parties to see how we can go forward, because without doing so, I fear that on this issue—coupled with others around screening, diagnosis and access on to pathways—we will continue to lag behind other countries in beating cancer.