European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

Debate between Mark Garnier and Keir Starmer

Wednesday 13th June 2018 Commons Chamber

[Keir Starmer]

I am going to press on and then I will give way again.

The EEA has a number of real benefits with regard to shared regulations and shared institutions, but it also presents real challenges. I have taken this option very seriously. I went to Norway to discuss it with that country’s political leaders, trade unions and businesses, and I also visited an EEA border—the Norway-Sweden border—to see what it was like.

The EEA undoubtedly works well for Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein, but their economies are very different from ours, as is their size—Norway has 5 million people, Iceland has 300,000 and Liechtenstein has 37,000. Those countries chose not to be in a customs union with the EU. The European Free Trade Association is, after all, a free trade association, and those countries have struck trade deals in their own right as a group. I am sure that those trade deals work well for them, but I think that the 37 trade deals that the EU has struck work better for the UK than the EFTA trade deals would.

[Mark Garnier (Wyre Forest) (Con)]

Will the right hon. and learned Gentleman give way?

[Keir Starmer]

I will just complete this point.

The EEA excludes agriculture and fisheries, which presents a problem in relation to the solemn commitment to no hard border in Northern Ireland. When I went to the border between Sweden and Norway, there was infrastructure, checks and controls—not for people, but for goods. The EEA also provides very little flexibility on the four freedoms, including freedom of movement and the way in which single market rules are implemented. Some say that those challenges can be overcome. I will continue to listen to those arguments, because there is no doubt that, in addition to a customs union with the EU, we need a strong single market deal, but I do not think we can ignore those challenges.

Brexit and Foreign Affairs

Debate between Mark Garnier and Keir Starmer

Monday 26th June 2017 Commons Chamber

[Keir Starmer]

The Secretary of State knows very well what I said, and I said it carefully—

[The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for International Trade (Mark Garnier)]

Chaos!

[Keir Starmer]

I am not sure how I respond—[Laughter.]