Finance (No. 2) Bill (First sitting)

Karen Lee Excerpts

Tuesday 9th January 2018 Public Bill Committees

[Peter Dowd]

My hon. Friend makes an important point. The whole point of a social security system in tandem with a tax system is to ensure that those who can afford to pay do so, and those who cannot afford to pay do not. We are now in a topsy-turvy world, where things are being twisted around and the people who can least afford it pay and the people who can most afford it do not pay. That is the direction of travel, and it is affecting people day in, day out. I agree with my hon. Friend.

[Ms Karen Lee (Lincoln) (Lab)]

We hear a lot about the NHS; my hon. Friend has referred to it. I am a nurse, and I did a shift in my local hospital on Saturday. Last Wednesday, I went out for most of the day with the local ambulance service. The NHS is indeed in crisis, and until people pay a proper rate of tax and it is properly funded, that will remain the same. As a new Member, I am a little taken aback at the number of people who are simply not listening to this debate. They are on their iPads and phones. It would be good if people paid attention—

[The Chair]

Order. Peter Dowd, please stick to the new clause.

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[The Chair]

Order. If Members wish to intervene on the Minister, they should do so in the proper manner.

[Ms Lee]

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

[Mel Stride]

I will not, and the reason I will not is that we have a great deal of business to cover, as well as the fact that we might be straying slightly broader than the clause. I have given my reasons why I believe we should reject new clause 10—[Interruption.]