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Department: Home Office

Oral Answers to Questions

Damian Green Excerpts
Monday 24th January 2011

(13 years, 11 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Jim McGovern Portrait Jim McGovern (Dundee West) (Lab)
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3. What assessment she has made of the effects on Scotland of the limit on immigration.

Damian Green Portrait The Minister for Immigration (Damian Green)
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A full impact assessment covering the whole of the UK will be published when we lay new immigration rules in March to implement the changes that will introduce the new limits from April. As the hon. Gentleman knows, immigration is not a devolved matter.

Jim McGovern Portrait Jim McGovern
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I thank the Minister for his response. In my constituency, there are two universities and a number of successful science and technology companies. I have been presented with cases at my constituency surgery in which promising employees and students have been rejected simply because the immigration limits have been reached. Those people are highly qualified and would be of significant benefit to the Dundee and UK economies. How can we simply turn them away?

Damian Green Portrait Damian Green
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As the hon. Gentleman knows, the purpose of the limit is to meet the need to control Britain’s immigration system in a way that enables businesses to bring in the skilled workers that they need. I remind him and employers in Scotland that the unemployment rate in Scotland is above the UK average, at 8.4% compared with 7.8% for the UK. We should have regard to the needs of Scottish workers when companies look to recruit.

Tony Baldry Portrait Tony Baldry (Banbury) (Con)
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When one of my great-grandfathers left the Gordon Highlanders as a pipe major, he could not find work in Scotland. Like many Scots, he came south to England. If there are job vacancies in Scotland, should people not be thinking of moving the other way? Is it not a bit strange for the Opposition to be on the one hand bemoaning unemployment levels, and on the other hand campaigning for higher immigration levels?

Damian Green Portrait Damian Green
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My hon. Friend makes exactly the right point. It was the previous Prime Minister who made the unfortunate point about British jobs for British workers at a time when British workers were not taking the majority of the jobs available in this country. This Government are determined to balance the economy better in many ways, in particular by ensuring that as many of the available jobs as possible are available to workers in Britain and, indeed, Scotland.

Pete Wishart Portrait Pete Wishart (Perth and North Perthshire) (SNP)
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I think that everybody in Scotland is getting tired of the complacent response on these issues. The Minister has managed to unite all businesses, all universities, the health sector and all employers in Scotland in opposition to the immigration cap, because of the damage it will do to the Scottish economy. When will he acknowledge that Scotland’s population issues are entirely different from England’s? Will he accept that one cap does not fit all when it comes to immigration?

Damian Green Portrait Damian Green
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There are indeed differences in Scotland, and one is that unemployment in Scotland is higher than in England, and higher than the average for the rest of the UK. I dare say that those who are complaining about this matter do not include workers in Scotland, and do not include the unemployed in Scotland.

Julie Elliott Portrait Julie Elliott (Sunderland Central) (Lab)
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4. What funding her Department plans to provide for youth services during the comprehensive spending review period.

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Andrew Selous Portrait Andrew Selous (South West Bedfordshire) (Con)
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11. What steps she is taking to control levels of student immigration from non-EU states.

Damian Green Portrait The Minister for Immigration (Damian Green)
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The Government launched a public consultation on proposed changes to the student visa arrangements on 7 December 2010. The proposals will result in a more selective system and reduce the numbers to support our aim of reducing net migration to sustainable levels.

Desmond Swayne Portrait Mr Swayne
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What importance does the Minister attach to student visas in his overall objective of reducing net migration to a sustainable level?

Damian Green Portrait Damian Green
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It is an extremely important part of the overall reduction that we need. Taking action on students is particularly important as they make up roughly two thirds of non-European economic area immigrants, and the number of student visas issued has been rising in recent years. Getting a proper grip on the out-of-control system that we inherited requires action on all the main routes of immigration, and that is precisely what the Government will do.

Andrew Selous Portrait Andrew Selous
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Will my hon. Friend reassure me that in future there will be robust checks on the departure of all foreign students whose visas have expired?

Damian Green Portrait Damian Green
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Yes, we are proceeding with the e-Borders system, which already manages to track the journeys of roughly 55% of those who come in and out of the country. By the end of the Parliament, that figure will be up to mid-90%. My hon. Friend identifies a key problem: it is not just a question of who comes but of how long they stay and whether they go at the end of their stay.

Barry Gardiner Portrait Barry Gardiner (Brent North) (Lab)
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In taking the action on students about which the Minister has spoken, will he acknowledge the importance of non-EU students to British institutions of higher education and learning? Will he ensure that he clamps down on the bogus colleges that have violated those students’ expectations?

Damian Green Portrait Damian Green
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I am happy to agree with both points in the hon. Gentleman’s question. Of course we want our universities to flourish and the brightest and best students to come to this country and study at good, genuine institutions. However, we are already cracking down on the bogus colleges and on those that do not provide a proper education. The significance of the distinction between those two things, which the hon. Gentleman rightly makes, is that more than 40% of those who come here on student visas study at below degree level. Often, the public perception of a student as somebody who studies at a university is simply wrong in the case of those who come here from abroad on student visas.

Gerry Sutcliffe Portrait Mr Gerry Sutcliffe (Bradford South) (Lab)
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But if, as the Minister says, 40% of students are on below-degree courses, his policy could have a major impact on the funding of colleges and universities. Has he had discussions with Government colleagues about the impact of achieving the 40% reduction that he is apparently looking for?

Damian Green Portrait Damian Green
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I welcome the hon. Gentleman to his first Home Office questions as the Labour party’s immigration spokesman. Yes, of course we have extensive discussions within the Government on the effects of the controls that we will introduce. He will have seen that very surprising numbers of people come here to do sub-degree courses not at public further education colleges but at privately funded colleges. He will be aware that there are many hundreds of those colleges, and that they are—frankly—of variable quality.

Baroness Keeley Portrait Barbara Keeley (Worsley and Eccles South) (Lab)
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8. What estimate she has made of the change in the level of crime since 1997.

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Kelvin Hopkins Portrait Kelvin Hopkins (Luton North) (Lab)
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15. What estimate she has made of the likely change in the number of UK Border Agency staff as a result of the outcome of the comprehensive spending review.

Damian Green Portrait The Minister for Immigration (Damian Green)
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The UK Border Agency has estimated that the number of UK Border Agency staff will reduce by about 5,200 during the spending review period.

Kelvin Hopkins Portrait Kelvin Hopkins
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We deal with hundreds of immigration cases in my constituency every year. While the situation undoubtedly improved under the previous Government, there are still substantial delays in the UK Border Agency’s dealing with cases. May I suggest to the Minister that we need an increase in staff, not a reduction?

Damian Green Portrait Damian Green
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I am interested to hear that those on the Labour Back Benches are still calling for public spending increases. It will be interesting to see what those on the hon. Gentleman’s Front Bench say about that. He is wrong in several respects. The UK Border Agency is getting better, and it will get better still. It will do that in two ways. First, we will replace the costly and outmoded paperwork that it depended on in the past with the appropriate use of new technology. Secondly, the very use of that technology will mean that we can better target our resources of people and money on those who are most likely to cause harm to the UK. So we will be able to provide a better service, even with fewer staff.

Julian Huppert Portrait Dr Julian Huppert (Cambridge) (LD)
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What estimates has the Minister made of the number of staff that would be required if the UK Border Agency got its decisions right the first time?

Damian Green Portrait Damian Green
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My hon. Friend makes a very good point. The higher the quality of the initial decision making, the fewer resources of money and people will be needed later. Part of the reason for having the new technology—new ways of applying for visas, for example —is that we will be able to use senior and more experienced staff to take the initial decisions, so that more of them can be got right first time.

David Crausby Portrait Mr David Crausby (Bolton North East) (Lab)
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16. What estimate she has made of the number of police officers in Bolton (a) on the latest date for which figures are available and (b) at the end of 2014-15.

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Karen Lumley Portrait Karen Lumley (Redditch) (Con)
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T5. I congratulate the UK Border Agency on its work. At the weekend, it caught five illegal immigrants on the French border who had been making their way to my constituency in a lorry. I welcome the increased border policing on the other side of the channel, but what further steps will the Department take to ensure that stronger measures are introduced to deter those who try to smuggle people into the United Kingdom?

Damian Green Portrait The Minister for Immigration (Damian Green)
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I am delighted to hear that the effective controls that we are reinforcing at the border are having a beneficial effect in my hon. Friend’s constituency. She asked about further measures. I am happy to tell her that only a couple of months ago, at the Anglo-French summit, I signed a new treaty with my French counterpart which commits both countries to increasing the strength of our existing controls in Calais and extending them to other parts of the French coast. That means that we will be equally tough on any activity that is displaced from Calais to other parts of France. We are ensuring that our borders are much better controlled than they were in the past.

Lord Watts Portrait Mr Dave Watts (St Helens North) (Lab)
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T8. Is the Government’s position that the number of police officers and community support officers in this country has no impact on crime levels?

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Fiona Mactaggart Portrait Fiona Mactaggart (Slough) (Lab)
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T10. Why are the Government—unlike the Governments of other European countries which are increasing the support for the victims of trafficking—proposing to reduce the period during which a victim of trafficking will not face deportation from 45 days to 30 days?

Damian Green Portrait Damian Green
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The hon. Lady knows that the United Kingdom is committed to working with others, including our European partners, to tackle human trafficking. She was present for the debate in which I said that later in the year we would announce a new strategy on trafficking as a whole. That strategy will enable us not only to build on the work of the last Government in relation to caring for the victims of trafficking—which I commend—but to become much more efficient at prevention, in particular by acting overseas, so that fewer and fewer people are trafficked in the first place. That is the most effective action that we can take to reduce the incidence of this dreadful crime.

Julian Smith Portrait Julian Smith (Skipton and Ripon) (Con)
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T9. How concerned is the Minister about the increase in family violence towards young women who adopt values that are contrary to the beliefs of their families?