Oral Answers to Questions Debate

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Department: Northern Ireland Office

Oral Answers to Questions

Alex Burghart Excerpts
Wednesday 23rd October 2024

(5 days, 11 hours ago)

Commons Chamber
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Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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I call the shadow Secretary of State.

Alex Burghart Portrait Alex Burghart (Brentwood and Ongar) (Con)
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The Executive’s draft programme for government acknowledges that policing numbers in Northern Ireland are at an all-time low, a situation that Chief Constable Boutcher has described as dangerous. The draft programme commits to increasing numbers in line with New Decade, New Approach. Is the Secretary of State convinced that the budget sustainability plan is sufficient to achieve that aim?

Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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Order. I am not sure that fits with the question.

Alex Burghart Portrait Alex Burghart
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I was intending to ask a supplementary to Question 4.

Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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Well, I think we will wait then. Let us move on. I call Dr Lauren Sullivan.

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Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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I call the shadow Secretary of State.

Alex Burghart Portrait Alex Burghart (Brentwood and Ongar) (Con)
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It is very generous of you to call me again, Mr Speaker. The Executive’s draft programme for government acknowledges that policing numbers in Northern Ireland are at an all-time low, a situation that the chief constable has described as dangerous. The draft programme commits to increasing numbers in line with New Decade, New Approach. Is the Secretary of State convinced that the budget sustainability plan is sufficient to achieve that aim?

Hilary Benn Portrait Hilary Benn
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The hon. Gentleman raises an important point, as we discussed just a moment ago. I recognise the pressures on the PSNI, but it falls to the Executive to decide how much to allocate, from the funds available to them, to policing and other public services in Northern Ireland. If they wish to allocate more, they are in a position to do so, but it involves making a choice.

Alex Burghart Portrait Alex Burghart
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The Secretary of State is of course right that policing in Northern Ireland is a devolved matter, but national security is not. If we look at policing numbers right now, which are at an all-time low, we are reminded that his party’s manifesto made explicit commitments to improving public services in Northern Ireland. Will the Government commit to ensuring that policing in Northern Ireland is sufficient to keep the people of Northern Ireland safe and maintain national security, and to protecting the additional security funding of £32 million a year that comes direct from His Majesty’s Treasury?

Hilary Benn Portrait Hilary Benn
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On the latter point, the hon. Gentleman just has to wait a week to see what the Budget produces. I simply say to him that the PSNI, the security services and others do an outstanding job in protecting the people of Northern Ireland from terrorist threats, and we should all support them in that endeavour.