Oral Answers to Questions

Lord Herbert of South Downs Excerpts
Tuesday 15th June 2010

(13 years, 11 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Lord Herbert of South Downs Portrait The Minister of State, Ministry of Justice (Nick Herbert)
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May I congratulate my hon. Friend on his election as deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats?

The Government believe that more can be done to cut reoffending by overhauling the system of rehabilitation. We are exploring how sentencing and treatment for drug use can help offenders to come off drugs once and for all. We are also exploring how we can do more with independent providers, including the voluntary sector, to reduce reoffending.

Simon Hughes Portrait Simon Hughes
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I welcome the Minister and all his colleagues to the Front Bench to consider such an important subject. May I encourage them, as they work out the plans to deal with reoffending—as has been said, it is a serious issue, which the previous Government did not address adequately—to take the advice of people such as the previous governor of Brixton prison, who were clear that, if secure housing and continuing support to deal with addictions are provided when people are released, the chance of immediate reoffending, which often starts in days, is hugely reduced?

Lord Herbert of South Downs Portrait Nick Herbert
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I could not agree more with my hon. Friend. We must improve the multi-agency approach to tackling reoffending. That means bringing together the police, probation, prisons and local authorities, and ensuring that they work together more effectively. The key is to get offenders off drugs and into work, and, in particular, as he says, into housing. If we can do that, we have a chance of reducing the unacceptably high reoffending rates that we currently experience.

Fiona Mactaggart Portrait Fiona Mactaggart (Slough) (Lab)
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But how will the cuts that have just been announced to the future jobs fund, which provides employment for ex-offenders in my constituency—a third of a million pounds comes from Connexions and an equal sum from Positive Activities for Young People—contribute to reducing reoffending in Slough?

Lord Herbert of South Downs Portrait Nick Herbert
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Clearly, the Opposition still have not grasped the scale of the fiscal deficit that the country faces or their responsibility for creating it. Reoffending costs the criminal justice system and wider society billions of pounds a year. If we can succeed in reducing reoffending and capture some of that money to invest in rehabilitation services through a payment-by-results model, which we proposed in our rehabilitation revolution, we have a chance of producing the rehabilitation services that the previous Government lamentably failed to provide.

Lord Beith Portrait Sir Alan Beith (Berwick-upon-Tweed) (LD)
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12. What assessment he has made of the balance of expenditure between (a) prison building and (b) community sentences and restorative justice schemes.

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Esther McVey Portrait Esther McVey (Wirral West) (Con)
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19. What steps he is taking to ensure that the interests of victims of crime are effectively represented in the criminal justice system; and if he will make a statement.

Lord Herbert of South Downs Portrait The Minister of State, Ministry of Justice (Nick Herbert)
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The coalition Government’s aim is to establish a criminal justice system that rebuilds public confidence in the system and ensures that our streets are safe. The rights and welfare of the victim are vital to this. The Government are dedicated to ensuring support for victims and witnesses. We want to involve voluntary sector victims groups more and harness their ideas and innovation to help us to improve support.

Esther McVey Portrait Esther McVey
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A constituent of mine, Jean Taylor, set up the charity, Families Fighting for Justice, after the murder of her son and daughter. Can the Minister assure her, and many others in similar situations, that these charities, which are filling the gaps in the justice system to provide support for victims of crime, will have sufficient transparency and lines of communication open to his Department in order to carry out their work?

Lord Herbert of South Downs Portrait Nick Herbert
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I am happy to assure my hon. Friend of that. Charities and voluntary groups set up to promote the interests of victims are immensely important, and I would be delighted to meet the group concerned. Consistent with the proposals for a big society that we have been setting out for some time, we want to find ways to ensure that such groups have a voice, and give victims a voice, in the criminal justice system.

Jack Straw Portrait Mr Jack Straw (Blackburn) (Lab)
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What are the Minister’s plans for the future of the National Victims Service?

Lord Herbert of South Downs Portrait Nick Herbert
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We are reviewing all these arrangements to promote the interests of victims. I welcome the appointment of the Victims Commissioner and the work she will embark upon. We are aware of the important work that the National Victims Service is planning to do.

Andrew Rosindell Portrait Andrew Rosindell (Romford) (Con)
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T1. If he will make a statement on his departmental responsibilities.

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Lord Herbert of South Downs Portrait The Minister of State, Ministry of Justice (Nick Herbert)
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I am aware of the operation of the community court up in Liverpool, which I have visited, and the community court in Red Hook in New York, which pioneered this system of community justice. They are indeed interesting, and we should look at their success carefully. I am afraid that I cannot give the hon. Gentleman any commitment on Nottingham, but we are interested in and aware of the importance of community courts.

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering Portrait Miss Anne McIntosh (Thirsk and Malton) (Con)
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T6. May I congratulate the Justice Secretary on his new position? Can he explain what the coalition Government’s position is on self-defence in the event of burglaries in one’s own home and the level to which we can defend our properties? I understand that we have undertaken a review of the position, and people would like clarification, following a number of Back-Bench Bills from Government Members.

Lord Herbert of South Downs Portrait Nick Herbert
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I can tell my hon. Friend that we are reviewing the law and its interpretation carefully, and we will explore all the options before bringing forward proposals. We must ensure that the responsible citizen acting in self-defence or for the prevention of crime has the appropriate level of legal protection.

Ian C. Lucas Portrait Ian Lucas (Wrexham) (Lab)
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T4. Will the Lib Dem-Tory Government be legislating to give prisoners the vote?

Stop-and-Search Authorisation

Lord Herbert of South Downs Excerpts
Thursday 10th June 2010

(13 years, 11 months ago)

Written Statements
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Lord Herbert of South Downs Portrait The Minister for Police (Nick Herbert)
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My hon. Friend the Minister of State for Security, Baroness Neville-Jones, has today made the following written ministerial statement:

I wish to inform the House of errors relating to those periods in the past which have recently been identified following an internal review of the authorisation process for the stop-and-search powers under section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000.

The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) has undertaken work in relation to a request for information under the Freedom of Information Act concerning authorisations for the section 44 stop-and-search powers. In the course of reviewing their section 44 records, the MPS identified an authorisation from April 2004 which had not been confirmed by a Home Office Minister within the statutory 48 hour deadline for confirmation. Subsequent investigations revealed that approximately 840 were stopped and searched in the relevant area during the period of the invalid authorisation. The MPS are urgently considering what steps can reasonably be taken to contact those individuals involved.

As a result of this discovery, the Office for Security and Counter Terrorism (OSCT) in the Home Office undertook a review in May 2010 of all section 44 authorisations since the Terrorism Act came into force on 19 February 2001, in the course of which a number of other errors came to light. I have to inform the House that it appears that stop-and-search powers have been used unlawfully by a number of police forces on a number of occasions. The Home Office has written to each of the police forces concerned to alert them to these errors and those forces are now in the process of assessing how many individuals were stopped and searched in the periods of invalid authorisations. They will do their best to contact those involved. To summarise these errors, on 33 occasions authorisations were specified to be for 29 days, and two occasions when the authorisations were specified to be for 30 days, whereas the statutory maximum period is 28 days. In addition, there was one further case (as well as the MPS incident in April 2004) where ministerial confirmation for the authorisation was not provided within the statutory 48 hour deadline. All of these cases appear to have been as a result of administrative errors which were not identified at the time by either the police or the Home Office. A full breakdown is included in the attached table.

Lord Carlile, the independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, has been informed.

Three episodes of errors taking place in the section 44 authorisation process have previously been brought to the attention of the House. For completeness, these are also included in the attached table bringing the total number of such cases to 40. Home Office officials are working closely with the National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) and the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) with the aim of ensuring there are no incidents in future. Officials will keep Lord Carlile and me informed and I will report back to the House as necessary.

I am aware that there is considerable concern about the operation of section 44 stop-and-search powers going beyond these authorisation errors. The Government are committed to a wider review of counter-terrorism legislation, including the operation of the section 44 stop-and-search provisions. While I take some re-assurance from the fact that no errors have occurred since December 2008 when the authorisation process was tightened, I want to assure the House that there will be utmost vigilance in future. It is with the need for this in mind that I have instructed Home Office officials unconnected with the administrative process to conduct the internal review of procedures.

Table of Erroneous Authorisations

Authorisations Over the Statutory 28 Day Period

Authorisation Date

Authorisation Time

Statutory End Date

Actual End Date

Kent Constabulary

19 February 2001

08.00 hrs

18 March 2001

19 March 2001

11 April 2001

08.35 hrs

08 May 2001

09 May 2001

Sussex Police

05 March 2001

11.50 hrs

01 April 2001

02 April 2001

07 September 2001

12.00 hrs

04 October 2001

05 October 2001

19 December 2001

15.30 hrs

15 January 2001

16 January 2001

15 January 2007*

09.15 hrs

11 February 2007

12 February 2007

12 March 2007*

14.21 hrs

08 April 2007

9 April 2007

Durham Constabulary

03 April 2001

09.30 hrs

30 April 2001

01 May 2001

Cleveland Police

02 April 2001

10.30 hrs

29 April 2001

30 April 2001

City of London Police

29 April 2001

12.00 hrs

26 May 2001

27 May 2001

21 June 2001

12.00 hrs

18 July 2001

19 July 2001

20 July 2001

11.20 hrs

16 August 2001

17 August 2001

17 August 2001

12.00 hrs

13 September 2001

14 September 2001

Thames Valley Police

29 April 2001

12.00 hrs

26 May 2001

27 May 2001

25 May 2001

12.00 hrs

21 June 2001

22 June 2001

22 June 2001

08.05 hrs

19 July 2001

20 July 2001

20 July 2001

08.04 hrs

16 August 2001

17 August 2001

17 August 2001

08.01 hrs

13 September 2001

14 September 2001

24 June 2002

11.33 hrs

21 July 2002

22 July 2002

Metropolitan Police Service

29 April 2001

12.00 hrs

26 May 2001

27 May 2001

25 May 2001

12.00 hrs

21 June 2001

22 June 2001

22 June 2001

12.00 hrs

19 July 2001

20 July 2001

20 July 2001

13.00 hrs

16 August 2001

17 August 2001

17 August 2001

12.00 hrs

13 September 2001

14 September 2001

North Yorkshire Police

21 September 2001

12.00 hrs

18 October 2001

19 October 2001

19 October 2001

11. 45 hrs

15 November 2001

16 November 2001

16 November 2001

12.00 hrs

13 December 2001

14 December 2001

Hampshire

02 September 2002

10.25 hrs

29 September 2002

30 September 2002

Bedfordshire Police

15 November 2002

10.00 hrs

12 December 2002

13 December 2002

Essex Police

20 October 2003

08.05 hrs

16 November 2003

17 November 2003

Greater Manchester Police

19 January 2004

09.30 hrs

15 February 2004

16 February 2004

16 August 2007*

15.20 hrs

12 September 2007

14 September 2007

13 September 2007*

12.00 hrs

10 October 2007

11 October 2007

Fife Constabulary

31 March 2008

16.43 hrs

27 April 2008

28 April 2008

South Wales Police

6 February 2007*

13.50 hrs

05 March 2007

7 March 2007

*The two occasions in January and March 2007 were addressed by Lord Carlile in his report for that year

*The two occasions in August and September 2007 were addressed by Lord Carlile in his report for that year.

*The occasion in February 2007 was addressed by Lord Carlile in his report for that year and the Government Response to his report. The Government Response also highlighted an incident in 2005 where South Wales did not have an authorisation in place between midnight on 21 June 2005 and 09.25 hrs on 24 June 2005.



Authorisations not Confirmed Within the 48 Hour Statutory Deadline

Authorisation Date

Authorisation Time

Ministerial Confirmation Date/Time

Actual time taken for Ministerial Confirmation

Metropolitan Police Service

2 April 2004

07.30 hrs

4 April 2004 -11.10hrs

51 hours & 40 minutes

Thames Valley Police

29 November 2006

15.00 hrs

1 December 2006 -15.15hrs

48 hours & 15 minutes



Use of Section 44 Powers Where a Valid Authorisation Was not in Place—as Previously Advised to Parliament

Authorisation Date(1)

Authorisation Expiry Date

Number of days where power could have been used

Sussex Police

June 2003

June 2003

-

3 September 2007

25 September 2007

23



Authorisation Date(2)

Authorisation Expiry Date

Number of days where power could have been used

South Wales

22 June 2005

24 June 2005

2

Total Forces: 14

Total Incidents: 40

(1) The dates indicated here (for both Sussex Police and South Wales Police) are the dates from which the authorisations would commence if they had been submitted.

(2) The dates indicated here (for both Sussex Police and South Wales Police) are the dates from which the authorisations would commence if they had been submitted.

Police Authorities (Revised Grant Allocations)

Lord Herbert of South Downs Excerpts
Thursday 10th June 2010

(13 years, 11 months ago)

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Lord Herbert of South Downs Portrait The Minister for Police (Nick Herbert)
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As indicated by my statement of 27 May I have today laid before the House our proposals for the revised allocation of core police funding for England and Wales in 2010-11 in the form of the Police Grant Report (England and Wales) Amending Report 2010-11. I intend to implement the proposals subject to consideration of any representations and the approval of the House.

The Government’s priority is to cut the budget deficit and get the economy moving again. That means the police will have to bear a fair share of the burden, helped by £100 million of savings already identified for this year on areas including procurement and IT. I am quite clear that this saving can be achieved by driving out wasteful spending, reducing bureaucracy and increasing efficiency in key functions, while leaving the front line of policing strong and secure.

Total Home Office cuts will be £367 million and in order to minimise the impact on the police service the Home Office will cut a greater than proportionate share of its central budget. In summary, the Government intend to reduce police funding by a total of £135 million this year. This will be achieved by a proposed £115 million reduction in rule 2 grant, a £10 million reduction in capital grant and a £10 million reduction in counter-terrorism specific grants. Even after these reductions Government funding to the police service will remain at £9.61 billion in 2010-11. This is still £124 million more than last year.

Proposed changes to Home Office 2010-11 Core Settlement

Allocation as at February 2010

Proposed Allocations

£m

£m

Home Office principal formula grant (including MPS Special Payment)

4,600

4,600

Rule 2 grants

209

94

Total Home Office core settlement

4,809

4,694



Core Settlement

I am proposing to deduct £115 million from the rule 2 element of each force’s core Home Office grant settlement. No other element of the police grant report will be amended. Rule 2 grants are former specific grants from which conditions for how they must be spent have been removed.

Specific Grants

Specific grants for neighbourhood policing, basic command units and crime fighting will remain at planned levels for 2010-11. Counter-terrorism policing grants will be reduced by £10 million. Senior counter-terrorism police officers have provided advice on the most appropriate way to find these savings while ensuring that the police service retains the necessary capabilities to counter terrorist activity and support our national security

The Government will none the less still be providing £569 million to forces through police counter-terrorism specific grants this year, maintaining 09-10 funding levels.

Capital Grant

There will be a reduction of £10 million to the capital grant in 2010-11. This still provides a total capital provision of £210 million to police authorities to develop their local infrastructure investment to support their operational activity.

Revised force allocations were set out in my statement of 27 May 2010.

Police Authorities (Funding Allocations)

Lord Herbert of South Downs Excerpts
Thursday 27th May 2010

(13 years, 11 months ago)

Written Statements
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Lord Herbert of South Downs Portrait The Minister for Police (Nick Herbert)
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As part of the Government’s plan to cut the budget deficit and get the economy moving again, I am today confirming my intention to require the police to make a fair share of the savings needed. I welcome the responsible and constructive way in which policing partners have already responded to the Chancellor’s announcement of his plans to reduce the national budget deficit.

Total Home Office cuts will be £367 million and in order to minimise the impact on the police service the Home Office will cut a greater than proportionate share of its central budget by bearing down on overheads and reducing waste, including significant cuts to consultancy services, marketing costs and travel. However, the police need to contribute towards the overall reduction and I will therefore ask every police authority to make a fair share of savings.

As a result, I intend to reduce this year’s core Government funding to the police by a total of £125 million. I intend to implement this by reducing the Home Office core police settlement and the capital grant. I will, in due course, formally lay before Parliament an amended police grant report for 2010-11 which will be subject to the usual debate and approval process.

Even after this reduction, Government funding to the police will still increase by £124 million this year to around £9.61 billion. Set out below are updated force allocations for the individual grants which I intend to revise. These have been calculated so that each force will face a cut equivalent to the same percentage of their core Government funding.

I am confident that savings of less than 1% of expected spending in 2010-11 by Police Authorities can be made while maintaining a frontline policing service. It is for chief constables to use their expertise and decide what makes most sense for their force, but I am quite clear that this saving can be achieved by driving out wasteful spending on support functions, reducing bureaucracy and increasing efficiency in key functions—leaving the frontline of policing strong and secure. I expect forces to be held to this by both police authorities and Her Majesty’s inspectorate of constabulary.

For my part, I am clear that the police should be focused on police work, not paperwork. This is why I am committed to cutting the centrally imposed red tape and bureaucracy that slows police officers down and keeps them off the streets and away from protecting the public.

The Government have shown their commitment to the police service by undertaking to honour the third year of the current pay settlement for police officers. Our programme for Government has set out measures to ensure a sustainable frontline police service, including a full review of the remuneration and conditions of service for police officers and staff. We also commit in our programme for Government to establishing an independent commission to review the long-term affordability of public sector pensions, while protecting accrued rights. The Government are determined to ensure that we can provide affordable pensions to public servants into the future.

The spending review reporting in the autumn of this year will set funding levels beyond 2010-11.

Proposed New Allocations of the Home Office Core Police Settlement by Force, Subject to Parliamentary Approval, and Revised Allocations of Capital Grant.

Police Authority

2010-11

2010-11

2010-11

2010-11

HO Police Grant as Agreed February 2010

Proposed Amended HO Police Grant

Capital Grant as Notified January 2010

Amended Capital Grant

£m

£m

£m

£m

English ShireAuthorities

Avon & Somerset

116.1

113.5

3.3

3.0

Bedfordshire

44.6

43.6

1.3

1.2

Cambridgeshire

52.9

51.7

1.6

1.5

Cheshire

69.9

68.2

2.2

2.0

Cleveland

51.6

50.3

1.6

1.5

Cumbria

35.1

34.1

1.1

1.0

Derbyshire

69.6

68.0

2.0

1.9

Devon & Cornwall

117.0

114.4

3.4

3.2

Dorset

43.5

42.6

1.3

1.2

Durham

47.8

46.5

1.6

1.4

Essex

117.5

114.9

3.2

3.0

Gloucestershire

37.8

36.9

1.2

1.1

Hampshire

130.7

127.8

3.9

3.6

Hertfordshire

81.3

79.5

2.3

2.1

Humberside

72.7

70.9

2.2

2.0

Kent

123.4

120.7

3.5

3.3

Lancashire

116.8

113.9

3.5

3.2

Leicestershire

70.5

68.8

2.1

2.0

Lincolnshire

44.0

43.1

1.2

1.1

Norfolk

55.6

54.3

1.7

1.6

North Yorkshire

49.1

48.0

1.5

1.4

Northamptonshire

47.0

45.9

1.4

1.3

Nottinghamshire

82.7

80.7

2.4

2.2

Staffordshire

73.2

71.5

2.1

2.0

Suffolk

45.5

44.5

1.4

1.3

Surrey

71.5

70.1

2.3

2.1

Sussex

107.6

105.2

3.1

2.9

Thames Valley

157.0

153.6

4.6

4.3

Warwickshire

35.1

34.4

1.5

1.5

West Mercia

74.7

73.0

2.3

2.1

Wiltshire

42.1

41.1

1.3

1.2

Shires Total

2,283.8

2,231.7

67.6

63.1

English Metropolitan Authorities

Greater Manchester

253.2

246.8

7.4

6.9

Merseyside

142.2

138.4

4.2

3.9

Northumbria

117.4

113.9

4.1

3.8

South Yorkshire

110.2

107.4

3.3

3.1

West Midlands

277.4

270.5

7.9

7.3

West Yorkshire

194.0

189.2

5.6

5.2

Mets Total

1,094.4

1,066.1

32.6

30.1

London Authorities

GLA – Police

1,169.5

1,141.5

38.4

36.0

City of London

23.3

22.3

1.1

1.0

English Total

4,571.0

4,461.6

139.8

130.3

Welsh Authorities

Dyfed-Powys

35.2

34.4

1.0

0.9

Gwent

48.6

47.5

1.4

1.3

North Wales

48.5

47.4

1.5

1.4

South Wales

105.5

102.9

3.0

2.8

Welsh total

237.8

232.2

6.9

6.4

Total

4,808.8

4,693.8

146.7

136.7

Note: All allocations rounded to the nearest £0.1million.



Counter-terrorism Policing

In addition to the reduction in core Government funding to the police set out, I intend to reduce resource funding for counter-terrorism policing by £10 million in 2010-11. The Government will nonetheless still be providing £569 million to forces through police counter-terrorism specific grants this year, maintaining 2009-10 funding levels.

Counter-terrorism policing has benefited from 10 consecutive years of significant growth in funding. I will be taking advice from the police on the most appropriate way to find these savings to ensure that the police service retains the necessary capabilities to counter-terrorist activity and support our national security.