AI Regulation Bill
Lord Harper Excerpts(6 days, 22 hours ago)
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Lord Harper (Con)
My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Holmes for securing this debate, which has given us the opportunity, albeit briefly, to talk about this subject. I also thank the noble Baroness, Lady Alexander, for what I think was intended as a kind remark.
I support a principles-based approach, which is not surprising since that was the approach set out by the Government of which I was a member. A number of principles should be adopted by existing regulators—I do not support having a single AI regulator—balanced against their existing duties on growth and innovation. This is important because, while there are absolutely risks with AI, it will be one of the biggest potential drivers of growth and innovation if we get it right. We need to balance those two things.
I also want to focus on the thing that we are doing well—the AI Security Institute, which we set up and the current Government have retained. I was listening to Matt Clifford the other day, an apolitical official who is experienced in this sector. He was brought in by Rishi Sunak and retained by the present Prime Minister. He made the point that this is world leading, enabling us to robustly test AI models and approaches to make sure that we deal with the risks. It is very successful at enabling us to be a global leader. We are never going to be like the United States, the centre of all these things, but outside of the US and China we are a leading player in this area.
I support a principles-based approach and a relatively short piece of legislation that would give the duty to existing regulators to adopt those principles. However, we need to move at pace and not do what happened with the Online Safety Act—still talking about the legislation in seven years’ time, when, frankly, the world will have moved on at pace.
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Business and Trade and Department for Science, Innovation and Technology (Baroness Lloyd of Effra) (Lab)
My Lords, I am pleased to respond to this Question for Short Debate and I am thankful to the noble Lord, Lord Holmes, for initiating this debate, and for the wide variety of contributions made so concisely. It is such an important topic that if I fail to respond, I will of course follow up in writing.
The Government believe that AI has transformative potential for the UK: from scientific innovation and public sector reform, to increasing productivity to drive economic growth. To realise these benefits, we need to make sure that AI is used in a secure and controllable way. Our approach to regulation must enable innovation and protect our citizens from the risks that emerge as AI capabilities develop.
Recognising the point that noble Lords have made, that regulation and growth are not a trade-off, our regulating for growth Bill was announced last month in the King’s Speech. It is an example of how we will make the UK’s regulatory system fit for the future, so that it plays a full role in delivering growth and supporting innovation, including in AI, safely and sustainably. The Bill will create cross-economy sandboxing powers, so that businesses can test cutting-edge new products and technologies safely, prove what works, and then scale up delivery of these changes more quickly. That is how we regulate well and within a controlled environment.
As noble Lords have asked, we do believe that AI is a general-purpose technology with a wide range of applications, which is why the Government believe that most AI systems should be regulated at the point of use. Following the AI Opportunities Action Plan, the Government are committed to working with regulators to boost those capabilities. As a part of this, the Government issued letters to 19 regulators in January 2026, asking them to publish a plan setting out how they will enable safe AI-powered innovation. These regulators cover several high-potential sectors for AI innovation, including life sciences.
In addition, the Regulatory Innovation Office, which was launched in 2024, delivers targeted funding for regulatory experimentation through the regulators’ pioneer fund and the AI capability fund to support pilots, sandboxes and new regulatory pathways. For example, the MHRA is developing an AI-based tool to analyse drug-to-drug interactions in cardiovascular patients, and this will enable MHRA regulators to safely analyse the implications of proposed new drugs quickly and more effectively.
To respond to the question asked by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Thomas, we believe that AI in legal services is a multifaceted area and that a single AI regulator in legal services would risk duplicating existing regulatory functions, creating uncertainty. As I said, we have also written to the Legal Services Board asking for its plan on how to regulate AI safely.
As my noble friend Lady Antrobus mentioned, the issues of defence are complex. AI in defence is moving very fast. It is becoming a defining feature of modern warfare and, as she mentioned, a critical enabler of defence capability. We have an updated strategic approach to AI in defence, which reflects the more operational delivery-focused model. We are prioritising AI-enabled war-fighting advantage and enterprise transformation, strengthening governance and accountability, and ensuring that ambition is backed by the data, compute, skills and partnerships needed to scale at pace while taking a disciplined approach to frontier AI and maintaining robust standards. We also remain firmly committed to context-appropriate human involvement, which centres on humans as the accountable actors in the use of force. The role of any human intervention is therefore to ensure that responsibility and accountability are also clearly retained by people and not machines, to one of the important points my noble friend raised.
The noble Baroness, Lady Uddin, made a very important point about the fact that regulation does not happen without the context of the other measures we are taking to support the development of UK-based AI. We have launched our sovereign AI fund, supporting the development of AI capability here, as well as our support for the AI growth zones, as noble Lords will know. In addition, we are investing in the skills of people in this country. Effective regulation will only go hand in hand with a workforce, regulators and everybody being skilled to understand the risks and the judgments that have been taken day to day—including in media literacy, being able to take that discerning view about what people are seeing and consuming as part of media.
On the important points made about the fact that this is a global set of developments, and on the important role the UK has taken in the past and continues to take in shaping the passage of key international AI initiatives, we have indeed led on initiatives such as the Global Dialogue on AI Governance and the Independent International Scientific Panel on AI at the UN, and the Framework Convention on Artificial Intelligence in the Council of Europe. These are really important initiatives. Earlier this week I was at the OECD, where we as the UK were supporting the dissemination of principles for AI policy-making. It is very important that all countries apply regulation and policy effectively, as noble Lords have said. This is a globally developing set of initiatives.
Many noble Lords, including the noble Lords, Lord Harper, Lord Tarassenko and Lord Markham—and I heartily agree with them—mentioned the AI Security Institute. This is indeed an institute that the Government are proud of. It is world-leading and a centre of expertise, and has been analysing AI systems for two and half years. It is in an extremely unusual position globally, in that it has close collaboration with AI labs and has tested over 30 models to understand their potentially harmful capabilities. Leading industry players, including Anthropic and OpenAI, have made changes to strengthen AI model safeguards based on the institute’s findings.
This foundational research—to discover methods for building AI systems that are beneficial, reliable and aligned with human values—is essential, and these findings are shared with the Home Office, the NCSC and other national security organisations, enabling the UK to stay one step ahead of the risks brought by AI capabilities. We are committed to giving the institute the funding it needs through the spending review.
Noble Lords have highlighted the speed of development of AI models, and earlier this year Anthropic announced that Mythos represented a significant step-up in AI cyber capabilities. This is being monitored carefully by AISI and the NCSC, and they have published their findings on that. We have given further guidance to businesses and regulators on the measures that need to be taken to prevent and mitigate the risks of these further developments.
The noble Lord, Lord Taylor, mentioned the Cyber Security and Resilience (Network and Information Systems) Bill, which is moving to Report in the other place this month. It is designed to protect the services that the public rely on, and those regulations take an all-hazards risk-based approach that requires organisations to manage cyber security, physical security and broader operational risks, instead of specifying particular risks of technologies, in order to stay up to date and take into account further developments in technologies of the future.
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Lord Harper (Con)
Just before the Minister sits down—we have seven minutes left before the debate runs out—can I ask her a question? My noble friend Lord Holmes drew attention to the Government’s original commitment to legislate for a cross-sector approach, and he referenced how the Government have now dropped that commitment. The only bit of legislation that the Government are doing is, as the Minister said, in the regulation for growth Bill, but I have not heard the Government explain why they have changed their approach from the one they originally set out. Can the Minister, in the seven minutes we have left, set out for noble Lords the reasons why the Government have done that? That would be helpful.
Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
Our view is that AI is a general-purpose technology with a wide range of applications, and also that regulators understand well the sectors they are regulating. They understand the risks that are present and understand, as many noble Lords have raised in the debate, the specific applications that AI is bringing, the potential risks to consumers and the nature of the competitive landscape—the balance between competition, incumbents and new entrants. That is the reason we are taking the approach to regulate at the point of use and using those regulatory frameworks.
We also already regulate AI in the UK—for example, in the Online Safety Act or under the GDPR—and, in some areas, across sectors. There are some areas in which legislation applies to the application of AI technologies.
Processed Russian Oil Products: Sanctions
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Captain of the Honourable Corps of Gentlemen-at-Arms and Chief Whip (Lord Kennedy of Southwark) (Lab Co-op)
My Lords, we will hear from the Labour Benches next, then the Conservative Benches.
UK Steel Strategy
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Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
The right reverend Prelate raises some important issues. There are two elements here in respect of energy prices. The first is the immediate action we are taking, including the supercharger, to support the steel industry now. The second is the investment we are making in renewable energy, clean power and nuclear energy that will set this country on the right track to low-carbon energy that has high energy security here in the United Kingdom.
The other point, on advanced manufacturing and R&D, goes to one of the particular strengths of the United Kingdom, which is our expertise and the types of firms we have. One benefit of the industrial strategy is linking the sectors we have set out there, which of course include defence, with the importance of high-quality manufactured low-carbon steel, which is what the UK excels in.
Lord Harper (Con)
My Lords, the Minister knows that tariffs are a tax paid by the consumers of the steel that will be introduced. I have looked carefully in the steel strategy, and I cannot see any analysis of the impact of those increased costs on either our domestic construction sector or our domestic manufacturing sector. I ask the Minister, did the Government conduct such an analysis of the impact those tariffs are going to have? If they did not, why not? If they did, can they publish it, so that Members of your Lordships’ House can see the detail of the impact those taxes are going to have on our domestic manufacturing?
Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
The noble Baroness is right: there is a great market for green steel. Hatch estimates that over 90% of steel demand in the UK in 2050 will be steel produced with low emissions. The transition to net zero is across the entire economy, and we will take that forward across all sub-sectors.
Lord Harper (Con)
My Lords, since there is still time, can I just press the Minister on her attempted answer to my question? She did not confirm that there had been any kind of economic analysis. She said that there had been engagement with the sector. Can she tell us whether the customers of the steel industry—manufacturing and construction—support the introduction of 50% tariffs on their products, and that tax that they are going to have to pay?
Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
We are still in discussions with much of the sector, explaining what the precise tariffs mean across different sub-sectors, and we are gaining feedback following the publication. We continue to work across many sub-sectors and business areas on implementing the trade measure ahead of 1 July, and we will consider what information we further publish following those consultations.
UK Space Economy
Lord Harper Excerpts(2 months, 4 weeks ago)
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Baroness Lloyd of Effra (Lab)
I very much agree with the noble and gallant Lord that the UK’s geography can provide particular advantages to the whole of Europe and to NATO. We are very committed to supporting the development of spaceports. Last week, I announced a further £20 million to support the development of spaceports in Scotland, so that is something we are pursuing with vigour.
Lord Harper (Con)
My Lords, I strongly support what my noble friend said about SaxaVord. I was very pleased to consent to the CAA’s regulatory approval when I was the Transport Secretary. I want to press the Minister a little more on the market size that will potentially be available to the UK with that vertical launch capability at SaxaVord. What specific steps will the Government take to ensure that we have that capability in the years to come?
Hospitality Businesses
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Lord Stockwood (Lab)
I believe the original Question was about helping the hospitality sector. The comment about housing is outside the purview of my domain of expertise as Minister for Investment. However, the Government are investing in young people’s futures holistically. We have seen a sharp decline in apprenticeships. We are trying to implement a new foundation apprenticeship to give young people a route into critical sectors. While I acknowledge that housing is a critical part of that, making the economy grow more holistically is a way that we can ensure that the hospitality sector works in its own right.
Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Lab Co-op)
Can you please decide who is going to ask a question on the Conservative Benches?
Lord Harper (Con)
I am grateful to my noble friend. I listened very carefully to the Minister, but he did not answer the question about hotels, particularly family-run hotels. Their rates bills are going to rise by even more than pubs’ and there is no help coming for them. What are they to do? They run fantastic businesses, which attract people to rural areas in particular, but they face rises in their business rates of over 100% in April.
Lord Stockwood (Lab)
The department is in constant dialogue with all industry sectors, including the hotel sector. We are trying to balance support for the overall economy with the need to be fiscally responsible in this Parliament as well. We continue to take feedback and will respond to that, but today we are focused on cutting rates overall, which, as I have said, has been on the agenda within the last couple of Parliaments, but we have taken it head on.