House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) (Abolition of By-Elections) Bill [HL]
Debate between Lord Young of Cookham and Earl of CaithnessFriday 15th March 2019
(5 years, 8 months ago)
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Lord Young of Cookham
My noble friend said that he wanted to speak to Amendment 6. That has been ungrouped and is in the next selection.
The Earl of Caithness
My noble friend is absolutely right, but I was trying for the convenience of the House to speed things up a bit. If we talked to both amendments now, as I have done, it might be helpful.
Lord Young of Cookham
I remind my noble friend of the instructions on page 130 of the Companion. They state very clearly:
“On report no member may speak more than once”,
except in some very constrained circumstances. I think that my noble friend does not fit into one of those exclusions.
The Earl of Caithness
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, prompted me to rise when I was not going to speak on this amendment. He quoted again the odds of becoming a Member of the House of Lords and said that the balance is tilted in favour of the hereditary Peers. Does he agree that once hereditary Peers are removed, the quickest and easiest way to get into this House is to become an MP? A third of the House are ex-MPs and that proportion will go up. Does he agree that that is an equally unjust way to fill the House of Lords, and that the right way is to hold elections?