Points of Order Debate

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Department: Ministry of Defence

Points of Order

Baroness Laing of Elderslie Excerpts
Thursday 23rd January 2014

(10 years, 11 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Lord Coaker Portrait Vernon Coaker (Gedling) (Lab)
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On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. May I ask the Secretary of State—[Interruption.] May I ask you, Madam Deputy Speaker—

Baroness Laing of Elderslie Portrait Madam Deputy Speaker (Mrs Eleanor Laing)
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Order. If the hon. Gentleman is making a point of order, it has to be just that. It cannot be a question to a Minister, and I cannot answer questions on behalf of the Minister.

Lord Coaker Portrait Vernon Coaker
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On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Would it not have been appropriate for the Secretary of State to make available to the House before the statement a document that broke down some of the numbers relating to the redundancies? For example, he referred to it in answer to the question from my hon. Friend the Member for Bolton South East (Yasmin Qureshi) about the Gurkha regiments.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie Portrait Madam Deputy Speaker
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If the Secretary of State has an answer to that question as it concerns the workings of the House, I will ask him to comment.

Lord Hammond of Runnymede Portrait The Secretary of State for Defence (Mr Philip Hammond)
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Further to that point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I am not sure whether it would be in order, but if you say that it is, I will happily place in the Library of the House a document that shows the fields. This document will have been circulated in the Army today and it will become publicly available, but I am happy to put it in the Library of the House.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie Portrait Madam Deputy Speaker
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It is certainly in order for the Secretary of State and his Ministers to give information to Members of this House. I am grateful to him for reacting so quickly to a request to do so.

Gerald Howarth Portrait Sir Gerald Howarth (Aldershot) (Con)
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Further to that point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Will my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Defence confirm that what he proposes to put in the Library—I hope it will be today—is the announcement of the specialist areas from which the armed forces will select personnel to be made redundant, to which he referred in his statement? Will he confirm whether that is what he is proposing to put in the Library? I wonder whether that will give us an understanding of the geographic breakdown across the country.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie Portrait Madam Deputy Speaker
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The hon. Gentleman knows that it is inappropriate and out of order now to carry on the arguments rehearsed during the statement. However, if the Secretary of State would like to give further information on a point of order about information to Members of this House, I will allow him so to do.

Lord Hammond of Runnymede Portrait Mr Hammond
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Further to that point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. You will be interested to know that the document I intend to place in the Library will set out the fields and the numbers against each field. However, unless my hon. Friend is a very credible detective, I doubt that he will be able to determine much about the geographical distribution of those redundancies.

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Baroness Laing of Elderslie Portrait Madam Deputy Speaker
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I thank the Secretary of State for his helpful provision of information.

Alison Seabeck Portrait Alison Seabeck (Plymouth, Moor View) (Lab)
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On a point of order, Madam Speaker. Earlier today, I asked a flooding-related question of the Leader of the House. My husband has a direct interest in and is on the register of the Fire Protection Association, which is a not-for-profit organisation. As the fire service is the common thread there, it is probably appropriate that I make a reference to an indirect interest.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie Portrait Madam Deputy Speaker
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It is indeed appropriate, and I thank the hon. Lady for setting the record straight so quickly.

Thomas Docherty Portrait Thomas Docherty (Dunfermline and West Fife) (Lab)
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On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I am sure that you are an avid reader of the Daily Mirror and will therefore have seen the story this morning about the rusting Russian cruise hulk that is apparently drifting towards the United Kingdom and is populated by cannibal rats. Has the Department for Transport or the Home Office said whether a Minister will be coming to the House to update us on what on earth is going on?

Baroness Laing of Elderslie Portrait Madam Deputy Speaker
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I will not enlighten the House about the number of times a week I read the Daily Mirror, but although I appreciate the hon. Gentleman’s ingenuity in bringing this clearly important and worrying story to the attention of Members and of Ministers—[Interruption.] Order. I have at this stage had no indication that any Minister intends to come to the House to make a statement. I am sure that the hon. Gentleman’s concerns will have been heard and taken on board by those on the Government Front Bench.

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