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Medical Training (Prioritisation) Bill Debate
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(3 weeks, 5 days ago)
Lords ChamberMy Lords, I start by welcoming the noble Lord, Lord Roe, to the House. I am sure that his experience will be informative in many ways, including now as chair of the building safety regulator. I am sure his insight will be very valuable to the R&R committee in a variety of ways. At some point I would love to have a conversation with him about his experience, including not having retained firefighters in London and what more we could do to try to get every firefighter across this country to potentially become a first responder; again, making sure that the blue-light services work together.
Turning to the Bill, I think there are a number of issues in it. By and large, I support the principle, but in terms of prioritisation, my sense is that it does not really prioritise, certainly not by making sure that UK students get priority ahead of other people in the different priority groups. Discussion has been had about Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Iceland; I assume there is some historic international treaty. It is clear in the way that the Government have brought this legislation forward that there is no such agreement or treaty when it comes to Malta, but I am more sympathetic to the Government on this issue than perhaps some other people on these Benches are.
This may seem unimportant, but this was rushed through in a day in the Commons by the right honourable Wes Streeting. Normally this sort of legislation is genuinely for emergencies, very specific situations, so it beggars belief that the Government seem to be using this as leverage with the BMA on strikes. Indeed, the Secretary of State mentioned this. When he was asked whether this was so urgent—and it will please students who are members of the BMA—he stated:
“It is important that the Bill is workable. A number of factors may well interrupt our ability … One of those factors is the ongoing risk of industrial action”.—[Official Report, Commons, 27/1/26; col. 805.]
I am not sure that that is a valid reason for the Bill not to be commenced immediately, and it would certainly reduce the uncertainty for some of the other situations, including the 2026 application.
I just wanted to check my understanding on something. I am not suggesting that the department is cooking the books in any way, but the impact statement provides analysis that does not help us to get into the core detail. I would be grateful if the Minister would consider releasing more raw data. I ask that because we lump all our international medical graduates into one category in this analysis, and the Bill is asking us to have more categories of IMGs.
The noble Lord, Lord Patel, was accurate in his understanding. I think there has been quite a lot of debate in the Commons, given that the UK Government have paid a lot of money—I think we heard it was about £4 billion a year on the clinical elements. I assume that is a combination of the NHS tuition fee bursary and other elements provided to medical schools. International students do not get that bursary. At the moment, it seems that by paying the £40,000 to £50,000 a year for being trained in a UK degree at a UK medical school, international students could well get priority. Within UK medical graduates, or indeed persons in the priority group which we just referred to, there is no actual prioritisation for UK students—by that, I mean UK nationals.
I think it is fair about the relationship with the Republic of Ireland; that is a historic relationship, and I do not object to that. But in the specialty training programmes, Clause 2(2)(e) covers, basically, people from the European Union and I am trying to understand why that is necessary. We just keep coming back to the fact that none of this is really prioritising UK students in UK medical schools. I would be grateful if the Minister could set out how the Government intend to prioritise all the different categories. Is it the intention that the prioritisation will start with (a), then (b), then (c) and then (d)? It would be useful to understand that.
At the moment, the Bill would allow people under paragraph (d)—to be set out in regulations—to get priority ahead of UK medical graduates. It is unclear, therefore, how this might work.
I appreciate that what happened with visas has been cited as part of the problem. There is another way, however, in that the Government could adjust the skilled worker visa to address some of these issues. Have they considered that? I would be grateful if the Minister would write to me and the House. Generally speaking, though, I intend to support this Bill.
Medical Training (Prioritisation) Bill Debate
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(2 weeks, 4 days ago)
Lords ChamberMy Lords, my name is also attached to Amendments 3, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13 and 14, which are consequential, so I will not speak to them. This may be the briefest of introductions to any amendment.
My amendment tries to prioritise—which is the main theme of the Bill—UK medical graduates for training in UK programmes. The Bill’s Long Title says it is to:
“Make provision about the prioritisation of graduates from medical schools in the United Kingdom and certain other persons for places on medical training programmes”.
In Clause 1, this therefore also includes
“persons in the priority group”.
In Clause 2, it includes person not only in the priority group but also, in subsection (2), persons who are
“a British citizen … a Commonwealth citizen who has the right of abode in the United Kingdom … an Irish citizen who does not require leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom … a person with indefinite leave to enter or remain … a person who has leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom”
and so on. Similarly, Clauses 3 and 4 describe the priority group as including not only UK medical school graduates but many others, including those from countries with which the UK has made a trade deal.
All those priority groups will be able to apply for the same jobs as UK medical graduates. Add to that—several amendments on this are coming later—that the graduates of UK universities that have overseas campuses will also be included in the priority group. They are not all in the amendments today, but if these amendments are accepted, there are other universities not listed which have overseas campuses, such as the two I know—Dundee, for instance—although I did not table an amendment on that.
My amendment is because of the enormous number of emails that we have had, both from UK graduates and overseas graduates who cannot find jobs. I know there are subsequent amendments coming later about those international graduates who are now stuck in a bottleneck for this year, but that is a separate issue. My amendment does not refer to that; it refers to UK medical graduates.
We heard a story on the BBC about Emma, who was one of the 1,000 graduates who cannot get a two-year foundation slot so she cannot progress at all. She cannot find a locum job because they are all full. We heard of people who cannot enter the specialty training programme at years 1 and 2 because the competition for the specialty training programme is four applications for one job. We have 50,000 international medical graduates applying for a job for 2025, for 10,000 slots. If we cannot get UK graduates to find jobs in training programmes, that is scandalous. We could cut the number of medical students—but on the other hand, we are going to increase the number of medical students, and that will compound the issue for future applications for training.
By the way, I am not saying that others in the priority group in these clauses are not to be considered for a job. All I am saying is that UK medical graduates should be prioritised. The definition says “UK medical graduates”, but there are international students who go to our medical schools and therefore they are UK medical school graduates, so we include them. They are about 7% of the total medical graduates of UK universities. My amendment only seeks to prioritise UK medical graduates, who should be considered first—not that the others will not be considered or get jobs in whatever they come to do. This includes the subsequent amendments about overseas campuses and other universities.
I hope that the Opposition Benches will agree that UK medical graduates ought to be the first priority. I doubt that the noble Baroness the Minister will accept my amendment—the Government want this Bill to go through as an emergency Bill and not to be held up because, otherwise, it will run out of time—but I hope that, at the Dispatch Box, while not accepting the amendment, she will recognise that UK medical graduates must have priority above others for training slots. I beg to move.
My Lords, I have tabled Amendment 2. The clerks suggested changing the wording to what is now there. It is a probing amendment, and like those of the noble Lord, Lord Patel, it could be applied to other clauses as well. It is about the principle. My strong view is that we have opened up medical schools and made more placements because we want to make sure that we have an ongoing workforce. I am delighted to see the noble Lord, Lord Darzi, in his place. He will have done work not only for Health Secretary Wes Streeting recently but previously in making sure that we have a strong workforce pipeline.
I am conscious that many medical schools, by way of survival, by way of diversity, have opened up a number of places. Admittedly, this is still quite small compared with the number of UK citizens going to medical school. However, as the noble Lord, Lord Patel, said, we have a curious definition in this legislation—that a UK medical graduate is simply somebody who went to a UK medical school. I do not think that is what the public would think that this is about. From a lot of the emails, I do not think that it is what a lot of doctors appreciate either—although I appreciate that it is the position of the BMA, which does not want to differentiate in that regard.
We have young people taking on debt by investing in their own education and several billion pounds being put in by the UK Government, by the UK taxpayer, to have this pipeline. Therefore, it is vital to have what my amendment seeks—a set prioritisation in this legislation and not, as the Minister said the other day, a “just one group and then no more” kind of prioritisation. It is vital that UK citizens are given priority.
It is important to look at some of the analysis. It is not the case that all training posts could be filled by UK citizens who have trained to be doctors—far from it. We would not have GPs coming through. According to the 2024 analysis, only about half of the GPs going on the ST1 or CT1 were from UK medical schools. There is a whole series of issues, and we are seeing this in different elements including psychiatry and paediatrics—very few UK medical students, it seems, want to do paediatrics. I could go on with the series, but the point is clear: this is not about excluding people from the rest of the world coming to work in this country or to fill key roles in the NHS; it is about ensuring that our investment is prioritised on UK citizens.
There is a certain peculiarity, which will come up in other groups, about what then happens with the Republic of Ireland and similar. I am not seeking to get into that debate; perhaps we will a bit later.
I want to get a sense of this from the Minister. One thing that is clear in the statistics, and which the Minister and the Department of Health should be seeking to understand more, is that for quite a wide range of the training courses UK students are turning down the opportunity, once they have been offered placements. Why is that? For general practice, I think that only 57% are accepting. I am conscious that people might get posted around the country, but that needs careful scrutiny as well.
I do not wish to suggest in any way that we are not welcoming people from different parts of the world, but it should go back to trying to make sure that we are addressing particular gaps in our NHS workforce, now and in the future, not squeezing people out, and recognising the work that has been done to increase the potential numbers in home-grown talent.
Those of us who spoke at Second Reading have, in the last week, had a lot of emails coming in. I completely understand that there are different stories. For a brief time, when I was Health Secretary, a by-line suggested that I thought everybody should disappear to Australia—far from it. We cannot stop people leaving this country to go to Australia or elsewhere in the world, but we should be making sure that the reason they are choosing to go elsewhere is not because they cannot get a training place here when they have been deemed appointable. Ideally, they would be offered a role. That is something we can fix with this legislation. I hope the Government will rethink their approach to this during the passage of the Bill.
I apologise to the Committee that I will not be here to deal with my amendment later on, but I know that the Front Bench will do so. The time is pressing to get this right. I had not realised quite how soon a variety of decisions need to be made: I believe they need to be made before, or certainly within a few days of, Easter. It is critical that the Government think again. I am sure that, with encouragement from the Committee and from very distinguished medical practitioners, current and past, they will do so. That is why I commend my amendment to the Committee.
My Lords, I am delighted to have the opportunity to support my noble friend in her excellent amendment. Broadly speaking, this is a very welcome Bill. I congratulate the Government on bringing it forward to address what is becoming an acute issue, but it could be better. My remarks fall into two separate parts: there is the philosophical issue and there are the practical, evidence-based matters, which I will elucidate in the course of my remarks.
First, it has to be said that British taxpayers fund medical education through universities and the NHS, and we should be thinking much more about the value for money that those taxpayers receive. Prioritising British citizens would ensure that the investment benefits the domestic healthcare system and would, I think, reduce the risk of brain drain, where trained doctors emigrate after completing training. Training costs are substantial—estimated at £200,000 to £500,000 per doctor—and British citizens would be more likely to remain and practise in the UK long term. There is a case that they perhaps provide better value for public investment in medical education.
The wider philosophical issue, as alluded to by the Nuffield Trust, is around the fact that, in recruiting international medical graduates, the NHS has a negative impact on the domestic healthcare sector and staffing shortages in many countries abroad, particularly in Africa and Asia and poorer countries generally. That point has been made over many years. There were issues too about cultural familiarity, language proficiency, better understanding of local healthcare practices and patient expectations, and easier integration into multidisciplinary medical teams.
Specialty training, competition ratios and bottlenecks have reached breaking point. Preliminary information for the 2025 specialty training application cycle is concerning. This year, there are over 33,000 applicants for just under 13,000 training posts. This means that up to 20,000 doctors will be left out of specialty training this August. Even if you are not directly affected, that is a public health and public policy issue.