Oral Answers to Questions Debate

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Department: Ministry of Justice

Oral Answers to Questions

Paul Goggins Excerpts
Tuesday 2nd July 2013

(11 years, 4 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Mark Tami Portrait Mark Tami (Alyn and Deeside) (Lab)
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5. What progress he has made on his plans to reform the probation system.

Paul Goggins Portrait Paul Goggins (Wythenshawe and Sale East) (Lab)
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6. What his plans are for the future of the probation service.

Jeremy Wright Portrait The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Justice (Jeremy Wright)
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We will open up rehabilitation to a diverse range of organisations and introduce new payment incentives for providers to focus relentlessly on reforming offenders. We plan to commence the competitive process for our new providers at the end of this summer. We will also create a new national public sector probation service, which will work to protect the public.

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Jeremy Wright Portrait Jeremy Wright
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It is a myth that there is no learning already available to the Government on payment by results; learning is available across government activities, and a number of pilots within the probation field have begun. Not all of them have been completed, but, as the hon. Gentleman will recognise, it is possible to learn something from a pilot even if it is not completed. We are confident that payment by results is the right way to approach this matter. It is also the right way, of course, to release the savings we need to pay for an additional 50,000 offenders who currently receive no supervision. If he has a better way of doing that, we look forward to hearing it.

Paul Goggins Portrait Paul Goggins
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The Minister is in the unusual position of wanting to both privatise and nationalise the probation service at the same time. Will he explain to the House why the probation service is to be trusted with the supervision of the most dangerous, but will not be allowed to bid to work with less serious offenders?

Jeremy Wright Portrait Jeremy Wright
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We think that a combination of approaches will work best. We think that the probation service has particular skills in dealing with the most dangerous and high-risk offenders, so we want to give it the opportunity to concentrate on those offenders. We also think that there is a huge range of innovation and good ideas among bodies of all sorts, in the voluntary sector as well as in the private sector, and we want to bring those ideas to bear on what has been an extremely intractable problem—driving down reoffending rates.