Northern Ireland Troubles Bill (Carry-over) Debate

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Department: Northern Ireland Office
Hilary Benn Portrait Hilary Benn
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The best way to ensure that the hon. Gentleman and the whole House see the amendments is to pass the carry-over motion tonight.

Paul Foster Portrait Mr Paul Foster (South Ribble) (Lab)
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Will the Secretary of State be absolutely clear that if the Bill is not passed, veterans will have no protection whatsoever moving forward?

Hilary Benn Portrait Hilary Benn
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That is self-evidently the case, because the protections that I just read out, which the Government have put in this legislation, would not exist. That is a powerful argument why the Bill should carry over.

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Alex Burghart Portrait Alex Burghart
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My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and there will be ample opportunity for them to do so tonight.

Tonight the Government and Labour Back Benchers have a choice, and the choice is simple: to reject this controversial and unloved legislation, which promises much but would do no good.

Paul Foster Portrait Mr Foster
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rose—

Alex Burghart Portrait Alex Burghart
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I happily give way to the hon. Gentleman.

Paul Foster Portrait Mr Foster
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It appears to me that the only two organisations that agree with immunity from prosecution are the terrorists and the Conservative party.

Alex Burghart Portrait Alex Burghart
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We will get to immunity in a moment, but the Labour party needs to look down within its soul and its history before it says such things.

The Bill will reopen the door to vexatious litigation. It will drag old soldiers through the courts and subject split-second decisions taken under high stress decades ago to the post hoc algorithm of a legal framework that did not exist at that time. The hon. Member for Leyton and Wanstead (Mr Bailey) said that military forces were not given adequate protection at the time—what has happened subsequently is that the legal framework has changed beneath their feet and held them accountable in a way that could never have been intended at that time.