Debates between Mike Amesbury and Neil Gray during the 2017-2019 Parliament

Devolution of Welfare

Debate between Mike Amesbury and Neil Gray
Tuesday 9th April 2019

(5 years, 8 months ago)

Westminster Hall
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Mike Amesbury Portrait Mike Amesbury
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Yes; it is another failing of fine and warm words but nothing happening in reality.

While those agency arrangements are in place, SNP Ministers are blocked from making changes to any of the benefits the DWP delivers. They are not able to intervene in aggressive debt recovery or even to change the inflation measure to uprate benefits. While the SNP dithers and sits on its hands, as my hon. Friend the Member for East Lothian (Martin Whitfield) has pointed out, thousands of families are falling into poverty every year. Both parties are concentrating on avoiding responsibility, rather than using what levers of power are available to change the failing policy.

Neil Gray Portrait Neil Gray
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The hon. Gentleman rightly talks about the high poverty levels that we have throughout the United Kingdom. However, will he reflect on the fact that the poverty rate in Scotland—although far too high—is significantly lower than elsewhere in the United Kingdom, and that that might have something to do with the different policies that are being pursued in Scotland to ensure that we eradicate poverty as quickly as possible?

Mike Amesbury Portrait Mike Amesbury
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I know the hon. Gentleman will agree that a million people in poverty in Scotland is still shameful—

Neil Gray Portrait Neil Gray
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I just said that.

Mike Amesbury Portrait Mike Amesbury
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If I may continue, when we have seen SNP and Tory politicians working together, they have done so in an alliance, preventing any significant improvements to social security in Scotland.