Debates between Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd and Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede during the 2024 Parliament

Commission on Justice in Wales

Debate between Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd and Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede
Monday 7th October 2024

(1 month ago)

Lords Chamber
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Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede Portrait Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede (Lab)
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The simple answer to the noble and learned Lord’s question is that I do not know the answer to his question.

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd Portrait Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd (CB)
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The subject is a complex one; the report was lengthy. Do the Government intend to set out in detail why the report was wrong? It would be very useful to have a chapter-by-chapter explanation of why what was recommended unanimously by a completely apolitical group of experts is thought to be wrong.

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede Portrait Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede (Lab)
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The noble and learned Lord’s report was a large piece of work. As I said in my initial Answer, it is for the Senedd to take forward the vast bulk of the recommendations, and the UK Government are acting on some of the recommendations and are continuing to act particularly on the disaggregation of data. The Labour manifesto made clear that the principal objective of the noble and learned Lord’s report is not one that the current Government share. We want to work in practical ways for the benefit of Wales, and the examples that I gave of youth justice and probation are good examples of that.