Contracting Out (Local Authorities Social Services Functions) (England) Order 2014

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath Excerpts

Tuesday 11th March 2014 Grand Committee

[Baroness Brinton (LD)]

My Lords, it is encouraging that the results from the social work practices pilots are very positive. Phrases like “innovative”, “flexible” and “less bureaucratic” are very important to begin to change the culture in the way people work. It is also as important that the real personalisation of services is balanced by the job satisfaction of staff.

The Explanatory Notes that accompany the order are almost entirely positive. I picked up a slight nuance in the Minister’s comments. I wonder if there were any identifiable less positive or concerning features about which it might also be worth advising local authorities in how they are going to be commissioning work in the future. Apart from that, it is inevitably unfortunate that there is a short notice period that this is intended to cover, before the Care Bill comes in. At least there will not be a gap now, which is to be praised.

[Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Lab)]

My Lords, I should have declared on the previous order—and do on this order—my chairmanship of the Heart of England NHS Foundation Trust and that I am president of GS1 and a consultant and trainer with Cumberlege Connections. I am happy to support this order. I think it is the third time the noble Earl has been before the Committee to present such an order and, as I understand it, it is an interim measure until the Care Bill is enacted; the noble Earl has said that that is expected to be on 1 April 2015.

To pick up the point raised by the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, I suppose it would have been helpful if we could have seen the draft of the final evaluation report at this point—it is now not going to be published until April. The noble Earl referred to some of the main findings of the draft final evaluation report from King’s College. He said that it was mainly positive although there were clearly some issues, which are identified in paragraph 7.6. Perhaps he might like to say a little more about that.

Perhaps I could also ask the noble Earl about right to control. This was considered in the previous order, and in this order a reference is made to the fact that decisions on the future of the right to control pilot scheme have yet to be made and hence no provisions are included in the new order in this regard. When we debated this on 20 November 2012, the noble Earl referred to the interim evaluation of the right to control programme, published in February 2012, which showed that disabled people were benefiting but there simply was not enough evidence to make a decision on a wider rollout. He went on to say:

“Clearly, an extension of the kind that we seek will give us more evidence. The early signs are positive but that does not provide the basis for a robust decision on permanent arrangements”.—[Official Report, 20/11/2012; col. GC 150.]

Has the department now given this further consideration? Can the noble Earl say why no decisions on the future of right to control have yet been made and when he thinks such decisions will be made?

[Earl Howe]

My Lords, I am grateful to both noble Lords for their comments and questions. They both asked whether in the draft report from King’s we found any negative advice about the results from the pilots. I think the answer is no but it is worth repeating what I alluded to in my initial remarks—that King’s commented that the success of the pilots critically depended on the quality of the contract and the relationship with the local authority. The pilots that worked best were those where those two things had been got right. However, there was nothing to negate our general policy intention to roll out the right of delegation more widely. When the evaluation is published—I, too, have not had the opportunity to have sight of it yet—I am confident that it will be helpful to local authorities looking to delegate functions and I am sure we can be grateful to the team who put the report together for a very thorough piece of work.

The noble Lord, Lord Hunt, asked me about the right to control pilots. As he will have noticed, the order before us does not cover the right to control them. The pilot finished in December 2013. It was considered that there was no need to continue the pilot, which is currently being evaluated. Unfortunately, I cannot tell him when an announcement will be made on that issue but as soon as I am made aware of the date I will be happy to inform him of it. However, we were clear that the order before the Committee today need confine itself only to the matters to which I have already referred.