Debates between Lindsay Hoyle and Emma Reynolds during the 2024 Parliament

Social Security Advisory Committee: Winter Fuel Payment

Debate between Lindsay Hoyle and Emma Reynolds
Tuesday 12th November 2024

(2 weeks, 2 days ago)

Commons Chamber
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Emma Reynolds Portrait The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Work and Pensions (Emma Reynolds)
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We welcome the letter from the chair of the Social Security Advisory Committee. We were hoping to respond to the letter on the day of the Budget. Regrettably, there has been an unexpected further delay, and we are due to issue the response this week. However, my officials met the committee in August to discuss the regulations, prior to the committee’s formal scrutiny in early September.

I want to explain briefly why it is important to invoke the urgency procedure in this case. We needed to make the necessary Exchequer savings in the current financial year, as the regulations needed to come into force on 16 September. The previous Government left us with a £22 billion black hole, with Treasury reserves spent three times over. The day-to-day departmental spending set out by the previous Government in their spring Budget was not even close to reality. It is now up to us to clear up the mess of the previous Government, so we had to take some difficult decisions, such as means-testing the winter fuel payment, but we remain determined to do everything possible to support the poorest pensioners.

We have taken immediate action to increase the take-up of pension credit, working with charities and local authorities and through a campaign in print and broadcast media. The Government have written to more than 12 million pensioners about the changes to means-testing the winter fuel payment. We have also written to 120,000 pensioners on housing benefit, who could be entitled to pension credit, to encourage them to claim. We have extended the household support fund until March 2026. Thanks to our steadfast commitment to the triple lock, more than 12 million pensioners will see their state pension rise by up to £470 next year, and up to £1,900 over the course of this Parliament. The warm home discount, which we heard about a minute ago, is worth £150 off energy bills for low-income households. The warm homes plan will in the longer term insulate 5 million more homes.

By taking these difficult decisions, we were able to provide a cash injection of £22.6 billion to the NHS budget, which is the largest real-terms growth in day-to-day NHS spending—outside of covid—since 2010. That will bring down waiting times for people across the country, including many pensioners. We are taking the responsible and difficult decisions to clear up the mess of the previous Government, to fix the foundations of our economy and rebuild our public services.

Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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I call the shadow Secretary of State.

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Emma Reynolds Portrait Emma Reynolds
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I am proud of the last Labour Government’s record of lifting over a million pensioners out of poverty. We do expect to make savings of about £1.4 billion this year through means-testing the winter fuel payment. That is not an insignificant proportion of the £5.5 billion of savings that the Chancellor set out on 29 July.

Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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We come to the Liberal Democrat spokesperson.

Oral Answers to Questions

Debate between Lindsay Hoyle and Emma Reynolds
Monday 11th November 2024

(2 weeks, 3 days ago)

Commons Chamber
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Emma Reynolds Portrait Emma Reynolds
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I thank the hon. Lady for her question. We want people who are eligible to get support, and we have redeployed 500 staff to process those claims. I can assure her that that is something that we are focused on.

Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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We come to the shadow Minister.

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Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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I call the Liberal Democrat spokesperson, Steve Darling.

Oral Answers to Questions

Debate between Lindsay Hoyle and Emma Reynolds
Tuesday 29th October 2024

(1 month ago)

Commons Chamber
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Emma Reynolds Portrait Emma Reynolds
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I am very pleased to say that there has been a 152% increase in the number of pensioners who are applying for pension credit. That is good news, and is a result of the pension credit awareness campaign that we have been running since early September. We are putting in place all the resources we can to process claims as quickly as possible.

Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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I call the shadow Minister.

Nigel Huddleston Portrait Nigel Huddleston (Droitwich and Evesham) (Con)
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We on the Conservative Benches are deeply concerned about all those who will lose their winter fuel payments under Labour. Some pensioners will keep the winter fuel payment if they claim pension credit, but we know that some will not apply or will have difficulty applying. Can the Minister confirm how many people the Treasury assumes are eligible for pension credit but will not claim it, therefore losing their winter fuel payment, and what is the Treasury doing to close that gap?

Emma Reynolds Portrait Emma Reynolds
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As the hon. Gentleman will understand, the estimates of how many people might be eligible for pension credit are an imperfect science—they are based on a survey. Means-testing what is a very complex benefit, as all means-tested benefits are, requires an assessment of not only people’s income but their savings; it is about pensioner household units, too, so it is a complex set of procedures. All I can say is that I am glad we are targeting support at those most in need, something that was outlined in the 2017 Conservative party manifesto, which stated:

“we will means-test Winter Fuel Payments, focusing assistance on the least well-off pensioners, who are most at risk of fuel poverty.”

Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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I call the Liberal Democrat spokesperson.

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Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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I think the Minister got it in the first two minutes, never mind the last three.

Emma Reynolds Portrait Emma Reynolds
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The Government did an equality analysis on the change, which was published in September. I recommend that the hon. Gentleman take a look at it. It was such a long question that I have forgotten what he asked. On application forms—

Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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Order. Let’s move on.

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Emma Reynolds Portrait The Parliamentary Secretary, His Majesty’s Treasury (Emma Reynolds)
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We are not hiding the figures. If I had had the chance, I would have said that 455,000 pensioners are paying the higher rate of tax and that 39,300 are paying the additional rate. Many wealthy pensioners have said to me that they do not need the winter fuel payment—[Interruption.] The right hon. Gentleman says that, but there are a number of—

Lindsay Hoyle Portrait Mr Speaker
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Order. I think the Minister has answered the question. I call Emma Foody.