Debates between Jeffrey M Donaldson and Anna Soubry during the 2017-2019 Parliament

Wed 24th Oct 2018
Northern Ireland (Executive Formation and Exercise of Functions) Bill
Commons Chamber

3rd reading: House of Commons & Committee: 1st sitting: House of Commons & Report stage: House of Commons

Northern Ireland (Executive Formation and Exercise of Functions) Bill

Debate between Jeffrey M Donaldson and Anna Soubry
Jeffrey M Donaldson Portrait Sir Jeffrey M. Donaldson
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I respect what the hon. Lady said, but I point out to her that section 4(6) of the Human Rights Act 1998 is clear on the point of incompatibility. It states clearly:

“A declaration under this section (“a declaration of incompatibility”)…does not affect the validity, continuing operation or enforcement of the provision in respect of which it is given”.

That is the human rights law of this country. When the hon. Lady suggested in her intervention earlier that the Supreme Court judgment compelled the Northern Ireland Assembly to change the law, she was incorrect in her assertion. That opinion comes from the Attorney General for Northern Ireland and his respected advice on this subject.

On the question that the hon. Lady posed, in respect of fatal foetal abnormality, when a mother is expecting a child with a potentially life-limiting condition, I too have met Sarah Ewart, as has my hon. Friend the Member for Belfast East (Gavin Robinson), who is her Member of Parliament, and I have enormous respect for Sarah. As a result of her initiative, the Northern Ireland Executive commissioned a working group to examine this area of the law in Northern Ireland, and that working group brought forward proposals. Here is the irony: if Sinn Féin allowed Northern Ireland to have a Government, we would by now have addressed this area of the law.

Anna Soubry Portrait Anna Soubry
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Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Jeffrey M Donaldson Portrait Sir Jeffrey M. Donaldson
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Because we have a working group that was set up by the Executive and that has brought forward proposals, this area of the law would have been addressed by now.

Jeffrey M Donaldson Portrait Sir Jeffrey M. Donaldson
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With respect to the hon. Member for North Down, the party that is preventing this issue from being addressed in Northern Ireland is not the Democratic Unionist party; it is Sinn Féin who are preventing the Executive from addressing the report of the working group, which has brought forward proposals in respect of mothers who are expectant with a child who may have a life-limiting condition, so let us get our facts straight.

Anna Soubry Portrait Anna Soubry
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Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Jeffrey M Donaldson Portrait Sir Jeffrey M. Donaldson
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In respect of the issue relating to sex crime, I agree with the hon. Member for North Down that we need to examine this area of the law in Northern Ireland, but the difficulty is that we cannot do it—not because the Democratic Unionist party is standing in the way of examining these sensitive issues, but because Sinn Féin are preventing the Northern Ireland Assembly and Executive from carrying out their function. That is the political reality of the situation in Northern Ireland.

Anna Soubry Portrait Anna Soubry
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Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

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Jeffrey M Donaldson Portrait Sir Jeffrey M. Donaldson
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The hon. Member for Totnes (Dr Wollaston) referred earlier to a border in the Irish sea. Let me address that for a moment.

Anna Soubry Portrait Anna Soubry
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Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Jeffrey M Donaldson Portrait Sir Jeffrey M. Donaldson
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What is the point of devolution?

Jeffrey M Donaldson Portrait Sir Jeffrey M. Donaldson
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It was this House that decided that Northern Ireland should have devolved responsibility for abortion and marriage. It was this House that decided to give to the Northern Ireland Assembly and Executive the power to legislate on these areas of life. That is the reality. The hon. Member for Walthamstow talked about the decisions of this House—

Anna Soubry Portrait Anna Soubry
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Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Jeffrey M Donaldson Portrait Sir Jeffrey M. Donaldson
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It was this House that decided that the Northern Ireland Assembly and Executive had the power to legislate on these areas of the law.