Hywel Williams
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(12 years, 8 months ago)
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Jonathan Edwards (Carmarthen East and Dinefwr) (PC)
On a point of order, Mr Williams. I thought we were having a debate on the granny tax rather than on Second Reading of the whole Finance Bill.
Graham Evans
Thank you, Mr Williams. I say to the hon. Member for Carmarthen East and Dinefwr (Jonathan Edwards) that, as I alluded earlier, many of these points have been raised by other hon. Members on both sides of the House. I will soon bring my speech to an end. I hope he will forgive me.
There is even more support coming business’s way in my neck of the woods with £4.3 million extra for Cheshire and Warrington local enterprise partnerships. In addition, the Budget confirms a further £130 million for investment in the northern hub rail project, which will work well alongside High Speed 2. Furthermore, the new city deals, which will decentralise power and bring even more investment directly up to Manchester and Liverpool, are excellent news for those great cities and my constituents who commute to them in huge numbers each morning.
The Temporary Chair (Hywel Williams)
Order. I intend to call the Minister at 4.23 pm, so I ask hon. Members to keep their contributions short.
Sheila Gilmore
I am now totally baffled, because the hon. Member for Amber Valley (Nigel Mills) returned to the simplification issue, but what we heard earlier, when he perhaps was not in the Chamber, was an impassioned ex post facto rationalisation for this change given by the hon. Member for Ipswich (Ben Gummer) and, to a lesser extent, by the hon. Member for Stourbridge (Margot James). They sought to assure us that this really was not about simplification, and that it was all part of a master plan to deal with the problems of an ageing population and make the pensions system better for people. So I am now baffled as to which it is. Is it about tax simplification only or is it about a very thoughtful plan, which had not previously been mentioned? This is where I was also puzzled by what the hon. Member for Ipswich said, because nothing of what he said was said by the Chancellor; no obvious rationale on those terms was given by the Chancellor when he introduced this measure in his Budget speech, as he slipped it in as being “simplification”.
This is not part of dealing with the problem of an ageing population; there are other ways of doing that. If the money raised was to be used to help with pensions, it would be a different matter. If it were to be used to help people in my constituency who are struggling with increased care costs and who are not getting assistance with care because they do not meet the extremely high thresholds that are now being imposed, we would have to listen to the suggestion. However, the provision is about finding some extra money to fund the big tax cut that has been given to people with high incomes.
The Temporary Chair (Hywel Williams)
I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the No Lobby.
Mr Christopher Chope (Christchurch) (Con)
I beg to move amendment 9, page 4, line 33, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
The Temporary Chair (Hywel Williams)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Amendment 10, page 4, line 34, at end add
‘for recipients of child benefit’.
Amendment 75, page 4, line 35, at end add—
‘(2) Schedule 1 will not come into effect until a study has been carried out into ways of mitigating the impact of the Schedule on families with only one earner, compared with families with two earners, and placed in the Library of the House of Commons.’.
Clause stand part.
Amendment 11, in schedule 1, page 131, line 7, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Amendment 12, page 131, line 8, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Amendment 25, page 131, line 10, leave out ‘£50,000’ and insert ‘£60,000’.
Amendment 26, page 131, line 11, leave out
‘one or both of conditions A and B are’
and insert ‘condition A is’.
Amendment 13, page 131, line 12, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Amendment 27, page 131, leave out lines 19 to 24.
Amendment 28, page 131, line 24, at end insert—
‘(5) A person (P) is not liable to a high income child benefit charge if the total adjusted net income for the year of that person and any partner does not exceed £100,000’.
Amendment 77, page 131, line 24, at end insert—
‘(5) A person (P) is not liable to a high income child benefit charge if the total adjusted net income for the year of that person and any partner does not exceed £100,000, subject to any child or children in respect of whom child benefit is claimed being resident in the United Kingdom notwithstanding the European Communities Act 1972.’.
Amendment 14, page 131, line 26, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Amendment 29, page 131, line 29. leave out from ‘met’ to end of line 30.
Amendment 30, page 131, line 31, leave out ‘and B’.
Amendment 31, page 131, line 32, leave out from ‘is’ to end of line 13 on page 132 and insert ‘100%’.
Amendment 32, page 132, line 14, leave out from beginning to end of line 2 on page 133.
Amendment 33, page 133, leave out lines 16 to 26.
Amendment 34, page 133, line 29, leave out ‘another’ and insert ‘a higher’.
Amendment 35, page 133, line 30, leave out from ‘681B(1)(a)’ to end of line 33.
Amendment 36, page 133, leave out lines 36 to 39.
Amendment 37, page 134, leave out lines 3 and 4.
Amendment 38, page 134, leave out lines 10 to 12.
Amendment 15, page 134, line 28, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Amendment 39, page 134, leave out lines 34 to 37.
Amendment 16, page 135, line 9, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Amendment 40, page 135, leave out lines 13 to 23.
Amendment 41, page 135, leave out lines 37 to 40.
Amendment 17, page 135, line 38, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Amendment 18, page 136, line 9, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Amendment 42, page 136, leave out lines 13 to 23.
Amendment 19, page 136, line 35, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Amendment 20, page 136, line 38, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Amendment 21, page 136, line 45, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Amendment 22, page 137, line 13, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Amendment 23, page 137, line 22, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Amendment 24, page 137, line 26, leave out ‘high’ and insert ‘higher’.
Schedule 1 stand part.
Mr Chope
I rise to speak to amendment 9 and the other amendments in the group, standing in my name and that of my hon. Friend the Member for Gainsborough (Mr Leigh). We face a rather unsatisfactory state of affairs, because the guillotine will fall at 6 o’clock, which means that we have precisely 52 minutes to discuss the whole of clause 8 and schedule 1, which deal with child benefit and will affect 1.2 million families up and down the country, potentially yielding £1.5 billion for the Exchequer. How can one do justice to the complexity of what the Government are proposing in this short space of time?