Debates between Baroness Laing of Elderslie and Mark Tami during the 2010-2015 Parliament

Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill

Debate between Baroness Laing of Elderslie and Mark Tami
Monday 1st November 2010

(14 years ago)

Commons Chamber
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Baroness Laing of Elderslie Portrait Mrs Laing
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I understand what the hon. Gentleman says, and I understand how strongly the people of Dumfries feel, but that is not the point of democracy. In a modern democracy what counts is not valleys, mountains, rivers and perceived ancient boundaries, as we heard argued in the previous debate; what counts is that every person in the United Kingdom has a voice of equal value and votes.

Mark Tami Portrait Mark Tami
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The hon. Lady has made the point a number of times tonight about everything being of equal value and equal size, so why does she support measures that take three seats in Scotland and count them differently? Her argument would be stronger if she opposed those measures in the Lobby.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie Portrait Mrs Laing
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I do not support them. The matters on which we have just voted were rather more complicated than that, and went further than three seats.

Mark Tami Portrait Mark Tami
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So why did you vote for it?

Baroness Laing of Elderslie Portrait Mrs Laing
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The hon. Gentleman does not know how I voted—that is my business. [Interruption.] Well, I was not in the Lobby with him. [Interruption.] It is hardly a secret, is it? The matters on which we have just voted were rather wider than that, and so I naturally loyally supported my Government—or part of my Government. [Interruption.] The hon. Gentleman has not been here throughout these debates.

Mark Tami Portrait Mark Tami
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I have been here all day.

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Baroness Laing of Elderslie Portrait Mrs Laing
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The hon. Gentleman has not been here throughout the five days of the Committee stage.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie Portrait Mrs Laing
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Well if he has, he has: I am sorry that I did not notice. [Interruption.] I have said on more than one occasion—

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Baroness Laing of Elderslie Portrait Mrs Laing
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I am much gratified by that.

I would not have had any exceptions in the Bill; I think that the exceptions are wrong. The matter at issue is that every vote in the United Kingdom should be of one value and of one weight—that every Member of Parliament who comes to this House should have, within a reasonable tolerance, the same number of potential voters, voting for them or otherwise.