Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill

David T C Davies Excerpts

Tuesday 5th February 2013 Commons Chamber

[Maria Miller]

If hon. Members will allow me to make a little more progress, we can have further interventions later.

It is clear from the contributions we have just heard that there is no doubt about the fundamental importance of faith in this country today, but I do not believe that as a country we have to choose between religious belief and fairness for same-sex couples. It is important to remember that religious views on same-sex marriage differ, too. The Quakers, the Unitarians and the liberal Jewish communities have all said that they want to conduct same-sex marriages. Indeed, Paul Parker, who speaks for the Quakers, said that the first same-sex marriage in a Quaker meeting will be

“a wonderful day for marriage, and…religious freedom”.

We have to respect and take note of that.

Our proposals will ensure that all religious organisations can act in accordance with their beliefs because equal marriage should not come at the cost of freedom of faith, nor freedom of faith come at the cost of equal marriage. We are capable of accommodating both. This Bill does so in a very straightforward manner.

[David T. C. Davies (Monmouth) (Con)]

Will the right hon. Lady assure us that, if at any time in the future the European Court of Human Rights ruled that a church not wishing to conduct a gay wedding ceremony was in breach of a discrimination Act, we would defy the European Court and not try to placate it as we did over prisoner voting?

[Maria Miller]

My hon. Friend will find the sort of detail and the assurances he is looking for in a later part of my speech.

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[Yvette Cooper]

The right hon. and learned Gentleman is right that this is the next step on a journey, and it is the right one. We should not resist the values of the majority of people across the country who now support same-sex marriage.

[David T. C. Davies (Monmouth) (Con)]

rose—

[Yvette Cooper]

We have discriminated for too long. Until the 1960s people were locked up or punished for loving someone of the same sex. Gay men were told by the Home Secretary even in the 1950s that they were a “plague” on this country. Lesbian women were forced to hide their relationships, and teenagers were bullied at school, with no protection. Until the early 1990s teachers were unable to tell the child of a same-sex couple that their family was okay, for fear that that would breach section 28. So much has changed, and in a short time, too.

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[Yvette Cooper]

My hon. Friend is right. As a society we should feel deeply ashamed of what happened to Alan Turing, who was a hero of this country.

[David T. C. Davies]

Will the right hon. Lady give way?

[Yvette Cooper]

I hope—

[David T. C. Davies]

On a point of order, Mr Speaker.

[Mr Speaker]

I hope it is not a point of frustration from the hon. Gentleman.

[David T. C. Davies]

The right hon. Lady has taken an intervention from her hon. Friend. When will she take an intervention from the Government Benches?

[Mr Speaker]

I note the point. It is not a point of order but the hon. Gentleman has put it on the record.