Debates between Damian Hinds and Feryal Clark during the 2019-2024 Parliament

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Debate between Damian Hinds and Feryal Clark
Tuesday 10th January 2023

(1 year, 10 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Feryal Clark Portrait Feryal Clark (Enfield North) (Lab)
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9. For what reason he triggered Operation Safeguard in November 2022.

Damian Hinds Portrait The Minister of State, Ministry of Justice (Damian Hinds)
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There was an unprecedented short-term rate of growth in the requirement for places in adult male prisons in October and November, and Operation Safeguard creates a contingency to maintain headroom should it be needed. Meanwhile, we press on with our programme of estate modernisation and expansion.

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Damian Hinds Portrait Damian Hinds
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As I said, Operation Safeguard is a contingency that provides additional headroom; we are not currently housing prisoners in cells as a result of Operation Safeguard. The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right to identify that physical capacity is one side of the coin and staffing is the other, which is why we are putting so much emphasis on recruitment and retention in the prison service.

Feryal Clark Portrait Feryal Clark
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Napo has said that the insufficient capacity to hold prisoners is directly linked to staffing and workload crises in probation, as my hon. Friend the Member for Eltham (Clive Efford) said. Does the Minister agree with Napo’s view that there is a workload crisis in probation services? If so, who caused it?

Damian Hinds Portrait Damian Hinds
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That is similar to the point of the hon. Member for Eltham (Clive Efford). Of course, all the services are linked, but as with the Prison Service—it is a fact across many different occupations in the public and private sector—there is a very tight labour market with high rates of employment and low rates of unemployment by historical standards. Recruitment is a challenge, but we are putting a huge emphasis on recruitment into the Prison Service and probation, which fundamentally drives workload. The other side of that is, as always, making sure that we retain staff.