All 1 Debates between Barry Sheerman and William Bain

European Union (Referendum) Bill

Debate between Barry Sheerman and William Bain
Friday 8th November 2013

(11 years ago)

Commons Chamber
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William Bain Portrait Mr Bain
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Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.

I fully support the amendment on votes at 16 tabled by my hon. Friend the Member for Ilford South. It is clear that 16 and 17-year-olds will have the right to vote in the Scottish referendum, and I support that right for all elections. It is intolerable that, as Demos showed in 2010, 16 and 17-year-olds contributed £500 million in taxes over the preceding 10 years but are still disfranchised.

Barry Sheerman Portrait Mr Sheerman
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Will my hon. Friend give way on that point?

William Bain Portrait Mr Bain
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I know that my hon. Friend will have a different view.

Barry Sheerman Portrait Mr Sheerman
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My hon. Friend will remember that, in Committee, I was embarrassed when my name was accidentally attached to an amendment in favour of votes at 16. I was put in the embarrassing position of having to speak and vote against “my” amendment. Is it not amazing that up to this point we have had no debate on this major constitutional change this morning? In my view, we are going down a dangerous path, yet we have not debated the matter until now.

William Bain Portrait Mr Bain
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My hon. Friend, who has been a Member of the House since 1979, raises his objections with his customary vigour. I strongly support the amendment tabled by my hon. Friend the Member for Ilford South.

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William Bain Portrait Mr Bain
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We are trying to clarify what the Government and the promoter of the Bill want the public to have a say on. They have not said what terms they would accept to stay in the EU and they have not explained what the consequences would be if we had to leave the EU following a referendum. That is the information that we need, but it has been denied to the House and the country so far.

Barry Sheerman Portrait Mr Sheerman
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I am certainly not anti-referendum. However, when a Bill is introduced through the back door by manipulating private Members’ business, it shortcuts all the proper procedures and safeguards. We argued in Committee that those safeguards should be introduced into the Bill.

William Bain Portrait Mr Bain
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That is a pertinent and well made point.