Hazards in Social Housing (Prescribed Requirements) (England) Regulations 2025 Debate
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Grand CommitteeMy Lords, these are excellent regulations, sorely needed, and I commend our Government for bringing them forward. There is one problem that concerns me. They do not cover all social renters and, therefore, there is an element of discrimination. I should declare an interest as an officeholder in various Gypsy and Traveller organisations, so my noble friend the Minister will not be surprised at what I am about to say. Indeed, I asked her a Question about this very thing because Gypsies and Travellers are not covered. Although they rent their houses from social landlords, their houses are, in fact, caravans—permanent caravans—and they have amenity blocks on the sites for the use of water.
The problem is that the law does not correspond to reality. So, as I said, Gypsies and Travellers have their homes rented from social landlords on caravan sites with amenity blocks for the use of water. But my noble friend answered on 14 July:
“As caravans are not buildings according to the definitions set out in the Landlord and Tenant Act 1985 or the Housing Act 2004, it is the government’s position that Awaab’s Law will not extend to Gypsies and Travellers living permanently in caravans on sites with amenity blocks that are rented from social landlords”.
Usually, local authority-owned sites may be reasonably maintained. The problem there is that there are simply not enough of them. In other social landlords’ sites, the standards are simply so low as to affect health, safety and well-being.
There are different ways of framing laws so that they relate to what actually is the case. I submit that that is what the law ought to be doing. I think it is our job here in your Lordships’ House to ensure that laws fit the circumstances and values that now obtain, rather than outmoded concepts. To continue to let the law express these outmoded and unjust ideas would amount, I think, to a dereliction of our task. So I hope my noble friend can come up with some way to include these citizens who have fewer rights than other citizens.
My Lords, I thank the Minister for bringing forward these important regulations in Grand Committee. The first concern I have is that the tragic death of Awaab occurred at the end of 2020. It then took nearly three years for the law in his name to be passed, and another two years to introduce the regulations that put the Act into effect. I get dismayed sometimes at the length of time it takes to make changes when the initial reaction is that this is a situation that requires urgent emergency attention.
I am not pointing the finger of blame at anybody; sometimes it is everybody’s and nobody’s responsibility. But if the Minister could explain why it has taken so long, it would help me to understand why we are just getting the regulations now, two years on. But I am pleased that they will be enacted next month, as I think she said.
One of the concerns I have about the regulations is the tenant’s recourse when action is not taken. They complain and say, “You’ve got to get something done”, but nothing gets done. In my experience as a councillor dealing with lots of social housing, the issue is often that tenants for whom English is perhaps not their main language, or who have moved around a lot and do not know the ins and outs of how things should work, miss out when it comes to issues such as this. Which is, of course, what happened in the tragic incident with Awaab in the first place—talking but not being heard. Again, I wonder whether the Minister could just try to close that circle for me and say that there will be somebody who will say, “If you make a complaint, we’re going to make sure something happens”.
The last point I make about these regulations is that they have come about because either current or former local authority housing—the better-quality housing—has gone under right to buy. Consequently, when councils are fulfilling their duty to house homeless families, often what is left is poor-quality housing. There is an awful circle of deprivation that we cannot seem to break out of—I know that this is an attempt to do so—where homeless families go into the poorest quality housing. Often, they are families who will have to move again and again, where English is not their first language, or they may have learning difficulties. When they try to complain, nobody listens, because they do not have the clout that others have. And so it goes on. I know that this is an attempt to break that cycle; we just need to do a bit more. But I am pleased it is coming.
I turn to the second SI, on electrical safety. Of course, it was a faulty fridge that caused the fire in Grenfell Tower. That is not covered by this, but I hope that, as with statutory gas inspections of social housing, this will encourage tenants to understand that electrical safety is as important as gas safety—that it will raise understanding a bit if they get a knock on the door to check whether the electrical equipment put in by their landlord is safe. It is interesting, if I am right, that private landlords have to test other electrical equipment in their homes; PAT testing of major electrical items seems to happen.
With those comments, I think these are two good sets of regulations, but I worry about the timeliness.