Managing Risk in the NHS

Alun Cairns Excerpts

Wednesday 17th July 2013 Commons Chamber

[Andy Burnham]

I want to make some progress, but I will give way again later.

People have a right to know whether any of the recent pressure that we have seen in the NHS was predicted and made known to Ministers before they proceeded with their reorganisation, which has led to thousands of good, experienced, committed people leaving the NHS. It left in charge less experienced people, who had never seen an A and E winter crisis and who did not know what to do. It led to millions in large redundancy payments being handed to people who were then re-employed by a new NHS organisation. Overall, £3 billion was siphoned out of the NHS front line to pay for this upheaval. Managers got six-figure pay-offs, and 4,000 nurses got P45s. It is no wonder that morale among staff is at rock bottom.

[Alun Cairns (Vale of Glamorgan) (Con)]

rose—

[Andy Burnham]

I will give way to the hon. Gentleman, but I hope that his intervention will not be about Wales. [Interruption.]

[Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle)]

Order. I want to hear Mr Cairns.

[Alun Cairns]

Mr Deputy Speaker, I can assure you that my intervention will be about Wales, because it is about my constituents who are suffering. Will the right hon. Gentleman pay tribute to the transparency that the right hon. Member for Cynon Valley (Ann Clwyd) is seeking to enforce by exposing the different data that apply to Wales and England? Does he share my dismay that only 83% of patients who are admitted to A and E are admitted, treated and discharged in hospitals in Wales, compared with the 91% who are admitted, treated and discharged in hospitals in England? Why do my constituents have to wait 89 days, compared with the 51-day waiting time in England—

[Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle)]

Order. Mr Cairns, do not take advantage of the situation; it is not fair to other Members who also want to intervene. We want this debate to be heard in the best possible way.