Finance (No. 2) Bill

Albert Owen Excerpts

Committee: 2nd sitting: House of Commons
Tuesday 19th December 2017 Commons Chamber

[The Temporary Chair (Albert Owen)]

Order. Is the hon. Member for Hitchin and Harpenden (Bim Afolami) referring to me, because he is saying “you”? He should refer to the hon. Lady, and if he wishes to take an intervention, he must sit down.

[Bim Afolami]

I give way to the hon. Member for North West Durham.

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[Dawn Butler]

I am sure that the hon. Members around the hon. Gentleman are trying to get him to stop talking, but Labour Members do not mind. It is actually nice to see you go through your journey of trying to put the pieces together and understand the problems we are talking about. You cannot justify any of your statements because you have no data.

[The Temporary Chair (Albert Owen)]

Order. Too much “you”. The hon. Lady is an experienced Member of the House and she should set an example.

[Dawn Butler]

My apologies, Mr Owen. I am getting carried away in my enthusiasm to try to educate the hon. Member for Hitchin and Harpenden (Bim Afolami). The Government cannot justify anything you are saying, because you have no data to back it up. We are having to rely on data from voluntary groups and charities, which do an amazing job of crunching the numbers and looking at the intersectionality of the Government’s policies. But in order for you to make your statements, you need to have the data.

[The Temporary Chair]

Order. That was a very long intervention with too many “yous”. Let us get used to the parliamentary language and have a proper debate.

[Bim Afolami]

I will conclude my remarks by saying that it is important when we talk about these issues—in this House or outside—always to remember that improving the performance of the health service, the economy or anything relating to Government policy will benefit everybody in this country, if we make the right judgments and the right policy.