House of Lords: Procedures and Practices

Debate between Lord Lipsey and Lord Gardiner of Kimble

Thursday 4th December 2014 Lords Chamber

[Lord Gardiner of Kimble (Con)]

My Lords, first, it is impossible and incorrect that two noble Lords should be standing. Secondly, there is no point of order; it is for the noble Lord to agree to an intervention from the noble Baroness.

[Lord Lipsey]

I am happy to allow the noble Baroness to intervene so long as it is not on a point of order.

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Debate between Lord Lipsey and Lord Gardiner of Kimble

Wednesday 13th February 2013 Lords Chamber

[Lord Gardiner of Kimble]

My Lords, I have looked into the number of organisations that have a royal charter. They range from the Scout Association to the RSPB, and from professional bodies to universities and colleges. I emphasise to the noble Baroness that the proposals in this particular royal charter are very clear and distinct. The way in which the appointments panel, the recognition criteria and the recognition body are constituted will, on reading, reassure the noble Baroness that this is a serious proposal. It is in draft, and I do not think that drafts are always the final or perfect version, but they are certainly the beginning, I hope, of the opportunity for some serious discussions across the parties.

[Lord Lipsey]

My Lords, the Minister said that there was no suggestion of a dilution of the proposals. Does that mean that he has not yet had time to read the analysis published by Hacked Off, which calculates that of the 30 recommendations that constitute Leveson’s recognition criteria, just five are adequately represented in the royal charter, with 23 breached or caveated and two unclear?

[Lord Gardiner of Kimble]

My Lords, I understand particularly the points made by Hacked Off. Clearly, we need to ensure that as many concerns as possible are allayed. As I say, the royal charter document is a draft. I am sure that there will be commentary on it by the political parties and I am sure that the point made by the noble Lord will be part of those discussions. In those cross-party talks it is important to have a formal structure from which we can take forward the very legitimate points that Hacked Off and other organisations have made.