Debates between Lord Farmer and Lord Liddle during the 2017-2019 Parliament

Further Discussions with the European Union under Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union

Debate between Lord Farmer and Lord Liddle
Wednesday 27th February 2019

(5 years, 8 months ago)

Lords Chamber
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Lord Liddle Portrait Lord Liddle
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First, is the noble Lord aware that the only areas in which the EU has exclusive competence are trade and competition? Secondly, is he aware that the European Parliament has the power to dismiss the European Commission, which it has in fact done, in a way that I am not aware that our Houses of Parliament have done in recent times?

Lord Farmer Portrait Lord Farmer
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I thank the noble Lord for his intervention. I am quoting from the House of Commons Library information on democratic deficit. It goes on to say—

European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

Debate between Lord Farmer and Lord Liddle
Lord Liddle Portrait Lord Liddle (Lab)
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This is not my area of expertise, but it seems to me that the noble Lord, in his very detailed speech, has not addressed the central point, made by the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, about the benefit of being able to enforce decisions in other member states. Is the noble Lord arguing that these wonderful international arrangements, which he referred to as being just as effective as the EU, provide for that enforceability? I very much doubt it.

Lord Farmer Portrait Lord Farmer
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I thank the noble Lord for another intervention. They are a matter of negotiation and finding the best practice, as they are even with the EU. As I said, up until now they have operated well with other Governments around the world. They work well in the USA, Canada, Australia and countless other countries.

The narrow definition of family law in Amendment 336 ignores certain EU laws on the service of documents and taking evidence because we have perfectly satisfactory alternatives through Hague worldwide laws. Moreover, working with worldwide family laws with countries across the world, not just Europe, fits in entirely with the Government’s intention that on leaving the EU we will be a worldwide-facing country, looking at our global role and using the leading initiatives and developments in the UK to aid and encourage other legal systems.