Justice and Security Bill [Lords]

Debate between Lord Clarke of Nottingham and Robert Neill

Tuesday 18th December 2012 Commons Chamber

[Robert Neill (Bromley and Chislehurst) (Con)]

rose—

[Mr Clarke]

I shall give way one last time, and then I must press on to the JCHR’s amendments.

[Robert Neill]

Does my right hon. and learned Friend agree that although the proposed system is not perfect and never can be in litigation, it is surely preferable to have that than a system where an ex parte application for PII can be made without the defendant having any notice of any kind and without anybody, not even a special advocate, being able to test the material?

[Mr Clarke]

The time has come for reform. The present system is not defensible, in my opinion, and my hon. Friend confirms that all kinds of features of PII are hopelessly unsatisfactory. We have to deal with them.

Let me move on—