Independent Water Commission

Debate between Baroness Hayman of Ullock and Lord Lennie

Wednesday 23rd July 2025 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Hayman of Ullock (Lab)]

Any new board must have the right expertise if it is to deliver what we want for the industry. The noble Lord makes a very important point that whatever that expertise is, we must ensure that any future regulatory systems are set up to do the job they are supposed to do and that they have the knowledge, ability and skills to do that effectively. Otherwise, we will end up with a regulator that is, again, ineffective, which is not how we want to move forward.

The noble Lord makes a good point—this will take a long time. I hope the general public recognise that this is a long-term rebuilding programme. We are rebuilding a lot of a very old system, and we must get it right. This is also why will be bringing out the White Paper in the autumn, as quickly as we can, following the publication by the committee. From that, we will do the consultation, which must inform the public of what we are looking to achieve and what the timescales will be.

We want to bring in new legislation as swiftly as practically possible following that White Paper. That will also be part of the discussion on how we bring people with us, because people want to see the water industry cleaned up.

[Lord Lennie (Lab)]

My Lords—

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[Lord Lennie (Lab)]

My Lords, one of the things we discussed in the Climate Change Committee was the performance of the regulator. An issue raised by the noble Baroness, Lady Bakewell, in her instructive comments, was the revolving door between the water companies and the regulator, in both directions. What action will the Government take to make sure that the door is slammed shut?

[Baroness Hayman of Ullock (Lab)]

As I have already said, we must get the regulator right, we must get the boards right, and we must move forward with this. There is no point in making the same mistakes that have been made over a number of years, and in not learning from what went wrong before. Getting the regulator and the boards right will be critical to achieving that.

Avian Influenza

Debate between Baroness Hayman of Ullock and Lord Lennie

Tuesday 4th February 2025 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Hayman of Ullock (Lab)]

I am sure that the noble Baroness is aware that we recently brought in a statutory instrument in order that owners of poultry that are free range do not lose that designation while there is an outbreak going forward. Clearly, it is really important that farmers and poultry and egg producers have support during influenza outbreaks. We have compensation in, and we are looking at labelling changes; we do not want to put extra costs on to farmers and egg producers during an outbreak, and we are working very hard to ensure that that does not happen.

[Lord Lennie (Lab)]

My Lords, with apologies to the Liberal Democrats, following on from the Minister’s opening remarks, could she say what assessment has been made about the effects on the north-east tourism industry following the avian flu outbreak, which closed visits to the Farne Islands and other islands off the north-east coast? Could she say whether she thinks that Newcastle United’s success in the Carabao Cup against Arsenal can provide some compensation towards this loss?

[Baroness Hayman of Ullock (Lab)]

Well, in Defra, we work actively with all areas that are affected by avian influenza, including the areas that my noble friend refers to. All I can say is that Newcastle United appear to be having a better season than Leicester City.