Listed Investment Companies (Classification etc) Bill [HL]

Debate between Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted and Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts

3rd reading
Friday 13th December 2024 Lords Chamber

[Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (LD)]

My Lords, I wish to make a few thanks and remarks, but first I must declare my interest as a director of the London Stock Exchange and as a long-term investor in listed investment companies. I thank everyone involved in the drafting and discussions of this Bill, including the Minister—the noble Lord, Lord Livermore—who has been supportive on the issue, all noble Lords who have supported the Bill during its progress, the Public Bill Office, Nigel Farr of HSF, the AIC, many industry specialists who have contributed to the drafting, and consumer organisations such as Which? and ShareSoc which support the Bill and the wider cost disclosure campaign. I also thank journalists who have put the issue in the public eye. The noble Baroness, Lady Altmann, who is unable to be in her place today as she is recovering from a shoulder operation, trod a similar path with her Bill in the previous Session and has stood with me on this issue through many a debate and meeting. I also thank in advance the honourable Member for Hazel Grove, Lisa Smart, who is sponsoring this Bill in the other place.

Yesterday was the deadline for submission to the Treasury’s call for evidence on growth and competitiveness in financial services. I cannot help but say that it seems peculiar to be hunting for changes to promote growth when there is low-hanging fruit available to end the market disruption for listed investment companies that has resulted in more than £20 billion and counting of lost investment in the UK economy over the past two years. HMT or the FCA could lean on platforms and the Investment Association to get fully behind the changes for listed investment companies made by the legislative actions and forbearance in September. Instead, it seems they await the slow turning of the handle of consultation on, rule-making for and embedding the entire PRIIP legislation, which will take well into 2027 with tens of billions more pounds of lost investment in UK infrastructure.

By way of help, the chair of the FCA did finally confirm to the Lords Financial Services Regulation Committee on 13 November that, for listed investment companies,

“ongoing charges are not deducted from the share price”,

and that,

“as a fact, there is not a deduction from the share price”.

Yet platforms such as Hargreaves Lansdown still insist that a misleading disclosure about cost deductions from the investor must be entered or they will block retail purchase. I am told that they claim that they are urged to do so by the Investment Association, which is the association for the dominant open-ended fund sector, not for listed investment companies. The open sector is a sector that may relish scooping up some of the lost equity investment for itself but, make no mistake, it cannot replace the lost billions in social and environmental infrastructure. While this regrettable situation continues, I believe this Bill still has an important role to play.

[Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts (Con)]

My Lords, I shall say a word in support of the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles, before we wave this Bill goodbye. The investment trust movement is a proven success story in this country but has been uniquely caught up in the PRIIP regulations. For three or four years we have been trying to find a way through that thicket.

I appreciate that the noble Lord, Lord Livermore, and the Government have produced some temporary forbearance regulations that are now in effect, but that is only a quarter of a loaf. To rebuild the sector, we need new investment trusts, but no one will launch investment trusts with only temporary relief that might at any moment be withdrawn. Therefore, while of course the industry is grateful to the Government for what they have done, it is only a sticking plaster.

The worrying aspect is that, now that we have forbearance relief, there will be no pressure on the regulators to make their mind up and the hitherto glacial progress will proceed even more slowly. I hope the Minister might take the noble Baroness’s Bill, stick it in his back pocket and say, “It has no commencement date but, if you don’t get on and sort your mind out, we’ll put a commencement date on it and bring it in”.