Draft Government of Wales Act 2006 (Devolved Welsh Authorities) (Amendment) Order 2024

Tuesday 8th October 2024

(1 week, 1 day ago)

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The Committee consisted of the following Members:
Chair: † Martin Vickers
† Abbott, Jack (Ipswich) (Lab/Co-op)
Chadwick, David (Brecon, Radnor and Cwm Tawe) (LD)
† Egan, Damien (Bristol North East) (Lab)
† Fox, Sir Ashley (Bridgwater) (Con)
† Gittins, Becky (Clwyd East) (Lab)
† Green, Sarah (Chesham and Amersham) (LD)
† Griffith, Dame Nia (Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Wales)
† Holmes, Paul (Hamble Valley) (Con)
† Lamont, John (Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk) (Con)
† McEvoy, Lola (Darlington) (Lab)
† McMorrin, Anna (Cardiff North) (Lab)
† Mayer, Alex (Dunstable and Leighton Buzzard) (Lab)
† Onn, Melanie (Great Grimsby and Cleethorpes) (Lab)
† Rankin, Jack (Windsor) (Con)
† Sewards, Mr Mark (Leeds South West and Morley) (Lab)
† Tidball, Dr Marie (Penistone and Stocksbridge) (Lab)
† Vince, Chris (Harlow) (Lab/Co-op)
Susie Smith, Committee Clerk
† attended the Committee
First Delegated Legislation Committee
Tuesday 8 October 2024
[Martin Vickers in the Chair]
Draft Government of Wales Act 2006 (Devolved Welsh Authorities) (Amendment) Order 2024
09:25
Nia Griffith Portrait The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Wales (Dame Nia Griffith)
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I beg to move,

That the Committee has considered the draft Government of Wales Act 2006 (Devolved Welsh Authorities) (Amendment) Order 2024.

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Vickers, and indeed, it is a pleasure to lead my first debate of this nature as a Wales Office Minister. The draft order, which was laid on 21 May 2024, will make modifications to the list of devolved Welsh authorities in schedule 9A to the Government of Wales Act 2006 in the light of the Senedd’s Tertiary Education and Research (Wales) Act 2022.

The 2022 Act provided for the establishment of the new Commission for Tertiary Education and Research—also known as Medr—which came into operation from August this year. The commission is now the regulatory body responsible for the funding, oversight and regulation of tertiary education and research, encompassing all post-16 education in Wales. To that end, it took on the functions of the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales, which has been dissolved.

The Government of Wales Act established a delineation between devolved Welsh authorities and reserved public authorities. Devolved Welsh authorities are those that are accountable to Welsh Ministers and to the Senedd. Conversely, reserved public authorities are accountable to the UK Government and to Parliament.

Section 157A of the 2006 Act defines devolved Welsh authorities as a public authority whose functions

“are exercisable only in relation to Wales”

and which

“wholly or mainly…do not relate to reserved matters.”

The Commission for Tertiary Education and Research meets those conditions and is therefore a devolved Welsh authority.

In addition, a public authority is a devolved Welsh authority if it is included in the list in schedule 9A to the 2006 Act. That list also serves helpfully to confirm the public authorities that meet the definition. Section 157A(5) of that Act includes a power to amend that schedule so as to add, remove or revise entries to reflect changes in the landscape of devolved Welsh authorities.

Accordingly, this draft order, which was laid under the previous Administration, will remove the reference to

“The Higher Education Funding Council for Wales or Cyngor Cyllido Addysg Uwch Cymru”,

which has been dissolved, and replace it with

“The Commission for Tertiary Education and Research or Comisiwn Addysg Drydyddol ac Ymchwil”

to reflect the changes brought about by the 2022 Act. This ensures that the list remains up to date.

In line with requirements in section 157A of the Government of Wales Act, I am pleased to confirm that the draft order was approved by the Senedd on 18 June. I also welcome the positive work that has taken place between the Wales Office and Welsh Government officials in preparing it. I therefore commend the order to the House.

09:28
John Lamont Portrait John Lamont (Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk) (Con)
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It is a pleasure to serve with you in the Chair, Mr Vickers. While, as we have heard, this is simply a technical instrument to amend schedule 9A of the Government of Wales Act to remove the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales—which no longer exists—from a list of devolved Welsh authorities, my concern is the Welsh Labour Government’s record on education and that this latest round of reforms will cause further damage to the education of our children in Wales.

Education attainment in Wales is dreadful, as has been clearly highlighted by the latest PISA—programme for international student assessment—results. The results show a large decline in attainment, declining more in Wales than in any other country in 2022. Wales’s performance has fallen to its lowest ever level in maths, reading and science tests taken by 15-year-olds. Wales is at the bottom of the rankings for the whole of the United Kingdom in maths, reading and science. The performance of pupils in Wales has fallen significantly since the last PISA tests in 2019 and it continues to be below the OECD average. For maths, Wales is down by 21 points; for reading, it is down 18; and for science, it is down 15.

But there is absolutely no sign of Labour recognising the problems that it has created or making any attempt to invest in our young people. Labour’s budget last year cut £56 million in cash terms and £140 million in real terms from the education budget. This year’s supplementary budget has resulted in a further £92 million cut in cash terms to the education budget. Those cuts include £930,000 taken away from additional learning needs and £1.2 million taken away from education infrastructure.

There can be no doubt where this failure rests. It rests solely with Labour and its reforms to the education system in Wales. In Wales, the gap between disadvantaged pupils and other pupils is much wider than it is in England and there has been little to no progress in addressing that since 2009. The gulf between pupils in Wales and in England can be explained only by the difference in policy and approach.

While we will not oppose the instrument, we want to record that we recognise the concerns that parents and communities have in Wales about the failure of the Welsh Labour Government to maintain educational standards.

09:31
Nia Griffith Portrait Dame Nia Griffith
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I thank the Opposition spokesperson for his contribution this morning, but I would just like to take issue with this: it is quite extraordinary that he can stand there and talk about funding—of all the things to talk about. We know that the settlement to the Welsh Government has been very considerably reduced over the last 14 years, and that has to lie at the feet of the former Government. That is entirely their responsibility, and how that very small cake is then divided up is an enormous challenge. But I digress, Mr Vickers, and I am sure that you as Chair would not wish me to dwell further on this issue.

I simply say that the order will make the changes to the list of devolved Welsh authorities in schedule 9A of the 2006 Act to take account of the establishment of the Commission for Tertiary Education and Research and the dissolution of the Higher Education Funding Council for Wales. I offer my thanks for the productive manner in which the UK and Welsh Governments have worked in preparing this draft order, and I commend it to the Committee.

Question put and agreed to.

09:33
Committee rose.

Draft Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 (Juxtaposed Controls) (Amendment) Order 2024

Tuesday 8th October 2024

(1 week, 1 day ago)

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The Committee consisted of the following Members:
Chair: Graham Stringer
† Botterill, Jade (Ossett and Denby Dale) (Lab)
† Edwards, Sarah (Tamworth) (Lab)
† French, Mr Louie (Old Bexley and Sidcup) (Con)
† Furniss, Gill (Sheffield Brightside and Hillsborough) (Lab)
† Hatton, Lloyd (South Dorset) (Lab)
† Hayes, Tom (Bournemouth East) (Lab)
† Kirkham, Jayne (Truro and Falmouth) (Lab/Co-op)
† Maguire, Ben (North Cornwall) (LD)
† Malhotra, Seema (Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department)
Morris, Joe (Hexham) (Lab)
† Naish, James (Rushcliffe) (Lab)
† Nichols, Charlotte (Warrington North) (Lab)
† Patel, Priti (Witham) (Con)
† Smart, Lisa (Hazel Grove) (LD)
† Smith, Jeff (Lord Commissioner of His Majesty's Treasury)
† Timothy, Nick (West Suffolk) (Con)
† Vickers, Matt (Stockton West) (Con)
Natalia Janiec-Janicki, Committee Clerk
† attended the Committee
Second Delegated Legislation Committee
Tuesday 8 October 2024
[Graham Stringer in the Chair]
Draft Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 (Juxtaposed Controls) (Amendment) Order 2024
16:33
None Portrait The Chair
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As a number of Members here have not been on a Statutory Instrument Committee before, I will say that the procedure is very similar to that of the Chamber. If you want to catch my eye, stand up. It is straightforward. There is one minor difficulty: my notes tell me that the Liberal Democrat Helen Maguire is a member of the Committee, and Ben Maguire has turned up. I will clarify whether that was a mistake or whether my notes are accurate.

Seema Malhotra Portrait The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department (Seema Malhotra)
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I beg to move,

That the Committee has considered the draft Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 (Juxtaposed Controls) (Amendment) Order 2024.

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairship, Mr Stringer. The order amends the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 (Juxtaposed Controls) Order 2003, or the 2003 order for short, to support the Government’s preferred model for the French delivery of the EU entry-exit system, or EES, in Dover. EES is the EU’s new border entry system, which is due to be implemented on 10 November. It is driven primarily by a desire for greater border security and a more secure Europe. The UK Government are supportive of the aims of the EES, which complement our shared objectives on migration and secure borders. We have been working at pace and closely with our French and EU partners, as well as with industry and across the UK Government, to ensure readiness. I am grateful to parties for their constructive and collaborative approach. It is our goal to do everything possible to maintain border fluidity with the European Union when the EES is introduced.

EES requires that non-EU citizens who wish to enter the Schengen area, excluding EU residents, visa holders and those protected by the withdrawal agreement, provide their fingerprints and a facial scan to EU border officials and answer questions about their stay. This will increase the time taken to complete the Schengen entry process.

As immigration controls in Dover are juxtaposed, non-EU citizens, which include most British nationals, will provide these details to officers of the French Police aux Frontières. PAF officers conduct Schengen entry checks in a control zone at the eastern docks in the Port of Dover, which is a confined space with large volumes of freight and passenger traffic, particularly at peak times. If that continues once EES is implemented, there is likely to be severe congestion and disruption at the port. The Government have therefore engaged constructively with France and the EU to explore mitigations.

France has agreed for PAF officers to complete EES checks for coaches in an additional control zone at the western docks. That approach will ensure there is sufficient capacity to conduct EES checks on coaches, which is not available at the eastern docks. France has requested two changes to ensure that PAF officers can operate the controls effectively: first, that PAF officers can travel between control zones with their service weapons; and, secondly, that PAF officers must be able to escort detained persons whom they have arrested following immigration examination in the new control zone at the western docks to the control zone at the eastern docks, where they currently carry out their immigration controls in full.

Government officials have also consulted all the relevant stakeholders, including Kent police, on France’s requirements. Senior officials are satisfied that the risks are minimal and can be managed through appropriate safeguards and standard operating procedures. The PAF has agreed to those, and the Government have agreed to France’s requests. The order, therefore, creates a circulation area, which will be a section of the A20 public road approximately 1.5 miles long, linking the new French control zone at the western docks with the existing control zone in Dover. It will also enable PAF officers to travel between control zones via the circulation area, and it will extend certain powers and provisions in the 2003 order, which are currently only applicable in a control zone, to the circulation area. Therefore, PAF officers will be permitted to travel with their service weapons, in the circulation area only, between control zones. PAF officers will also be able to escort detained persons between control zones. They will not be able to arrest or detain anyone in the circulation area who has not already been detained by them in the exercise of their functions within a control zone.

When PAF officers escort a detained person in the circulation area, certain provisions will apply, just as they do when officers exercise the power to detain in a control zone. Specifically, PAF officers will be protected against acts or omissions committed against them that constitute offences under an immigration control enactment—for example, assault or obstruction—in the same way that British immigration officers are protected against those. They also cannot be prosecuted for any offence committed when they are exercising their lawful powers under the 2003 order in the circulation area. Additionally, the procedure concerning the arrest of a PAF officer for acts performed in a control zone will also apply to PAF officers exercising the power to escort detained persons in the circulation area.

Finally, any claim for compensation alleged against, or by, PAF officers for loss or injury when they exercise their powers in the circulation area will be subject to the law of the French Republic. This matches the provisions that currently operate in the control zone.

Government officials will separately delimit an additional control zone at the western docks by way of administrative arrangement. In that control zone, PAF officers can exercise their full range of immigration frontier control powers in the same way as they do in the control zone at the eastern docks. They can also carry and store their service weapons, subject to strict safeguards, as they do in the existing control zone. The circulation area in which PAF officers can travel between control zones will also be delimited by way of a clear map of the relevant area. Additionally, the conditions under which PAF officers may carry their service weapons on any journey through the circulation area will be set out in a service weapons agreement.

This order is therefore a key enabler of the western docks operation. It facilitates a relatively minor change to long-established French practice at the juxtaposed controls in Dover so that PAF officers can operate in an additional control zone. This will make a material difference once the EU entry-exit system is implemented. It is in both the UK’s and France’s interests that any disruption in Dover caused by EES is minimised, and the Government consider this order to be a reasonable and proportionate way of helping to achieve that aim. I commend the order to the Committee.

None Portrait The Chair
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Before I call the Opposition spokesperson, we have had a message and Ben Maguire is a member of the Committee, so that has been clarified.

16:44
Matt Vickers Portrait Matt Vickers (Stockton West) (Con)
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It is a pleasure to serve under your chairship, Mr Stringer. I will comment very briefly to seek clarity on the order.

The measures brought forward by the last Government have undeniably had a huge impact on the legislative framework around immigration and asylum. Indeed, under the last Government, in the year June 2023-24, small boat arrivals were down by 29%, migrant returns rose by a fifth, and enforced returns rose by a half. We want the Government to continue to make progress in tackling this issue. Indeed, it is of huge national interest and consequence. Although the argument is already well exercised, without that meaningful deterrent, everything else is just tinkering around the edges.

French officers have been able to carry arms in areas of the channel for years. If the amendment improved the effectiveness of partnership working and helped to frustrate channel crossings, we would be supportive. However, I seek some clarity from the Minister on its impact. If she is not in a position to provide that clarity now, we are happy to take a response in writing.

Why has no impact assessment been undertaken? Surely there is an impact on public service provision—that is, policing. Under what circumstances will the use of firearms be permitted and what are the restrictions, if any? Will a review mechanism be put in place? There are huge concerns about the nature of and delays to the implementation of EES, and the potential impact on legitimate UK travellers. In the spirit of partnership, what mitigation is being put in place for that and what can we expect in reciprocation for securing our own borders?

16:45
Lisa Smart Portrait Lisa Smart (Hazel Grove) (LD)
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The order represents a change to the previous approach, and it looks, to our mind, to build bridges rather than burning them down. The previous Government stoked the issue about small boats crossing the channel, without providing enough workable, practical solutions that would have the impact we all hoped for to tackle the issue. The most constructive way to address it is to work with our European friends and partners. The Liberal Democrats would welcome the Government bringing forward further practical solutions to improve relationships and operating procedures.

16:46
Seema Malhotra Portrait Seema Malhotra
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I am grateful to the Opposition spokespeople for their comments. I gently say to the shadow Minister that the Government now have a much clearer plan for how we tackle irregular migration. I am proud that we have set up the border security command, with work going on internationally to try and tackle the criminal gangs that, as he knows, are exploiting thousands of people and putting their lives at risk. It is vital that immigration is controlled and managed, and I am sure he will want to work with the Government on the measures we are putting in place.

The shadow Minister asked a set of questions about the impact of the provisions. It would be sensible to come back to him in writing, because that would enable us to share the response with colleagues who are concerned and minded to ask about similar matters. On the matter of partnership, that is an important way in which we continue to work with our French counterparts, not least because we also operate our Border Force in juxtaposed ports in the EU. It is vital that we work together on securing our borders and maintaining their fluidity throughout the implementation of EES, because that is in all our interests.

Question put and agreed to.

16:48
Committee rose.