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James Morris (Halesowen and Rowley Regis) (Con)
It is a pleasure to open this very important debate under your chairmanship, Sir Edward. First, I want to talk about why this debate is important. Mental illness is one of the biggest health challenges that we face over the next 20 or 30 years. The NHS spends approximately £14 billion on support for people with mental health conditions, which amounts to about 13% of total health spending. However, mental ill health accounts for about 28% of morbidity and 23% of all GP appointments, and recent estimates show that the overall economic cost of mental illness in Britain is about £105 billion a year.
Those are the raw statistics, but behind them is a story of broken lives, isolation and mental suffering. Every week in my constituency, I see people suffering from a range of difficult mental health conditions as a result of personal circumstances, family breakdown and all kinds of different issues. I am sure that other hon. Members here today have had similar experiences in their constituencies. As a compassionate society, we have a duty to address the growing crisis of mental health in Britain, not only by seeking to control its symptoms, but by tackling its underlying causes.
Our approach to mental health has been dominated for too long by what I characterise as a medicalised model. A psychiatric approach has been dominant. I am not arguing that psychiatry does not have a role to play in mental health, but it has been a dominant model for the way in which we approach mental health care in Britain, and the national health service is very focused on drug-based solutions to mental health problems. The number of prescriptions for drugs to try to solve mental health problems has gone up exponentially over the past decade, and as a result, I believe that our approach to mental health in the national health service is very much focused on control, rather than on tackling the profound underlying causes of the growth of mental health problems in Britain.
That is why I want to discuss talking therapies today. It seems to me that talking therapies are a human and compassionate response to mental suffering, as our constituents, our fellow citizens, and we all come to terms with the pressures of modern life, the increase in family breakdown, and the sheer stresses of dealing with information overload and the complexity of living in the modern world. This issue is not confined to any one part of the population; it crosses the whole age range, from children and young people through to older people.
David Simpson (Upper Bann) (DUP)
I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on securing this very important debate. An alarming thing that I have discovered recently is that 80,000 young people across the United Kingdom suffer from severe depression, and 8,000 of those are under the age of 10. It is alarming, and it is running out of control. As the hon. Gentleman has said, personal counselling is an avenue that we can go down. An organisation in my area called Yellow Ribbon does exactly that, and it has had some fantastic results.
James Morris
The hon. Gentleman makes a good point; there are major issues with children and young people’s mental health, and I will come on to that later in my speech.
I want to talk today about improving access to psychological therapies. That is a big area on which I have been focused on in my role as chairman of the all-party parliamentary group on mental health. The improving access to psychological therapies programme was established under the previous Government in 2006, following work by Lord Layard, who looked at the economic benefits of a widespread programme of access to psychological therapies across the country. IAPT was initially launched with small pilot areas and then was formally launched in 2008. I do not think anyone here would deny that the IAPT service has made progress. We have seen 1 million people entering treatment and 680,000 people completing treatment, and we have seen recovery rates of about 45%, with 65% significantly improved. The IAPT programme has led to 45,000 coming off sick pay and benefits, and we have seen 4,000 new practitioners trained in the national health service.
The programme was started by the previous Government, and in February 2011, the current Government published their “No health without mental health” strategy, which committed them to investing more than £400 million over four years into the IAPT programme. At the same time as the publication of that strategy, the Department of Health also published its “Talking therapies: A four-year plan of action”, which had the objective that by March 2015, 15% of the adult population would have access to evidence-based psychological therapies that are capable of delivering rates of recovery of 50% or more. Therefore, some progress has been made, but I want to raise serious questions today about how we should take the IAPT programme forward, about the scale of our ambition, and about the extent to which real choice is embedded in the system. I believe that those questions need to be addressed urgently.
The Department of Health, in its assessment of IAPT—its very comprehensive report was published in November 2012—was clear about challenges that the IAPT programme faced in the future. In particular, its report talked about the challenge of waiting times, stating that one of the challenges is
“building adequate service provision (including number of services, and size and efficiency of workforce) to ensure access for all who need treatment within 28 days of first contact.”
The report discusses the challenge of:
“Unmet need—addressing issues concerning equitable access to services where access is lower than expected among some population groups.”
It also refers to the challenge of “Patient choice”, which goes to the heart of the questions that I am raising today, and
“increasing information on treatment options and ensuring that treatment plans are agreed by both patient and therapist.”
Another challenge is the:
“Funding distribution process—ensuring that appropriate investments continue to be made in local IAPT services, to continue to expand capacity and assure quality in line with the overall financial expectations set out in the Spending Review.”
The Department of Health is clear, therefore, about the challenges faced by the further roll-out of the IAPT programme. In order to meet the challenges that come out of the Department’s assessment, we need radical thinking. We need to build on the strength of the existing IAPT programme, but we also need to address some of its fundamental weaknesses, which I believe are holding the programme back.
A central issue that we need to have an honest debate about is the fact that the IAPT programme is still dominated by the use of one therapy—cognitive behavioural therapy, or CBT. The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence guidelines that were drawn up in 2005 made the recommendation that CBT should be the default treatment option for the NHS, because it had the most random-controlled-trial supporting evidence for its effectiveness. In 2010, the guidelines were modified slightly to allow five other therapies into the NICE recommended mix. The reality, however, is that IAPT is still dominated by CBT. Again, I am not arguing that, in many circumstances, for patients with particular forms of anxiety and depression, CBT is not an appropriate form of treatment. However, it is a short-term, highly manualised approach to mental health treatment.
There is an interesting quote from NICE’s recommendations on psychological therapies:
“In using guidelines, it is important to remember that the absence of empirical evidence for the effectiveness of a particular intervention is not the same as evidence for ineffectiveness.”
That is a wonderful little quote from NICE.
One of the consequences of our approach to research into the efficacy of particular forms of mental health treatment, and of NICE’s approach to the formulation of its guidelines, is that long-term therapies such as psychotherapy and psychoanalysis, to name just two, which require long-term commitment from the patient and from the analyst, have effectively been locked out of IAPT. In Britain, we have a mature and highly professionalised cohort of therapists in psychotherapy and psychoanalysis. They have, over the past five years, found themselves unable to provide the sort of capacity that we need in IAPT. One of the consequences of that, and of the dominance of CBT, with a focus on training up therapists to concentrate on CBT, is that we have a monolithic model.
Within IAPT, we have access, but no effective choice for the patient—choice that is focused on the individual needs of the patients and on an assessment of the patient’s particular requirements. We have a professional cohort of highly trained therapists in long-term therapies who are unable to assist the NHS in extending capacity for the provision of psychological therapies and who are unable to become part of the conversation to address the programme challenges identified by the Department of Health’s assessment of the three-year IAPT programme in 2012.
We need to recognise those weaknesses in the existing IAPT programme, because there are still 50% of people who have been through the programme who have not responded well to CBT. Some 85% of people who are currently suffering from severe mental anguish cannot gain access to any appropriate psychological therapy on the NHS. We urgently need a review of the existing NICE guidelines, and I know that Professor David Haslam, the chair of NICE, has recognised the issue and has agreed to initiate a review.
We also need to look again at how we formulate evidence on the efficacy of mental health treatment. For certain long-term therapies, it might not be appropriate for research to be totally focused on randomised control trials, which are also costly to undertake. We therefore need to look at new types of evidence base. We also need to think about developing a new commissioning model for psychological services to create real choice. I will come on to talk about how that might work.
We also need to consider other groups who may benefit from greater choice and access to psychological therapies. The hon. Member for Upper Bann (David Simpson) talked about children and young people. He is right to be concerned about them; it is a major issue that we face in Britain today. Some 850,000 children between the ages of five and 16 are known to have mental health problems. There is a children and young people’s IAPT, which provides a broad range of interventions —parenting therapy, interpersonal psychotherapy and family therapy.
I think we all know and agree that early intervention for children and young people is crucial to prevent problems from becoming more serious. Lots of evidence shows that early intervention at the onset of psychosis in children and young people and suitable psychological therapy treatment can prevent that from blowing up into something much more serious later on. Perhaps we can learn some lessons from the children and young people’s IAPT for adult services, while recognising that the children and young people’s IAPT needs to be developed further.
Also, we must not exclude or not think about the needs of people aged over 65. As we all know, we have an ageing population, meaning that mental health in older people is an increasing problem. The Department’s “Talking Therapies” action plan committed the Department to address the underrepresentation of older people using IAPT. A quarter of people over the age of 65 have symptoms of depression that require intervention, but only one in six will consult their general practitioner. Therefore, IAPT needs to be tailored to meet the needs of older people. Those needs are not just one, single need; the needs of a 65-year-old may be different from those of a 90-year-old.
Mr Gregory Campbell (East Londonderry) (DUP)
I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on securing the debate. Earlier, he alluded, as my hon. Friend the Member for Upper Bann (David Simpson), did, to the problems in the younger age group, and now he is talking about the older age group. Given the significant increase of referrals in the past couple of years, does he agree that one of the overarching principles is that we will need significant additional resources to deal with the problem right across the age groups, from the young to the old?
James Morris
The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. The fundamental nature of my argument is that the current system, while it has made some progress, is not utilising the capacity that we should be able to develop in order to cope with the increasing problems that we face. IAPT needs to be tailored to older people and to be more flexible to meet their needs.
As I said, IAPT has made some progress, but we need to go further. Improving access is one thing; guaranteeing it is another. The NHS constitution provides a right to treatments recommended by NICE. The handbook to the constitution explains that that relates to any treatment that is
“recommended by a NICE technology appraisal.”
I am sorry to get a bit technical here, but I think the point is an important one. Technologies appraised by NICE include devices, medicines, diagnostic methodology, surgical procedures, health promotion activities and other therapeutic technologies. Regarding technologies, computerised CBT for depression and anxiety is the only NICE-approved psychological therapy, which, on the basis of the constitution, patients should have a right to. Psychological therapies have been excluded from the rights embedded in the NHS constitution, and we need to address that gap.
Also, there is no 28-week or any other waiting time target for psychological therapies. If I have a serious physical illness, for example cancer, I will be seen and treated within a particular time frame, and I will know my pathway of care, if that is the right way of describing it. However, if I have a mental illness, there is neither a guarantee nor a waiting time target.
Dame Angela Watkinson (Hornchurch and Upminster) (Con)
Does my hon. Friend agree that that is similar to what happens during the perinatal period? If a woman has a premature baby, thousands of pounds—if not hundreds of thousands—will be spent on neonatal intensive care; whereas if she has a full-term baby, but has a psychotic episode and requires in-patient mental health care, it is a complete postcode lottery as to whether she receives any help at all?
James Morris
I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. She has done a tremendous amount of work in that area. I totally agree with her point; we need to shift our emphasis towards much more early intervention and ensure that the issue she identifies is addressed.
Dr William McCrea (South Antrim) (DUP)
The burden of the hon. Gentleman’s address today concerns the therapies necessary to deal with mental health difficulties, but surely, as my hon. Friend the Member for Upper Bann (David Simpson) identified a few moments ago, the problem for the under-10s age group is that more research is needed into how a person under 10 is taken down the dark path of mental illness. We must find out what the problem is, as well as identify some of the treatment.
James Morris
The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. The chief medical officer is producing recommendations about children and young people’s mental health care, which will specifically look at evidence on why the prevalence of such difficulties is increasing. She is becoming concerned about the growing problem.
A consequence of no guaranteed or set waiting time is that thousands of people are awaiting referral while suffering severe anguish. A constituent of mine who is suffering from a relatively severe mental health problem has received a referral, but is still waiting for treatment. That wait has been going on for a long time and he is in a state of severe anxiety and anguish. That is the direct human consequence of the situation. We need to move towards a waiting time target. I know people are wary of talking about targets, but such targets speak to a parity issue in the health service. If we have waiting time targets for severe physical illness, it is surely right that we move towards waiting time targets for access to appropriate psychological therapies. Appropriate access builds in choice, meets the needs of individual patients and moves us away from the monolithic approach I described earlier.
When responding to the debate, I ask the Minister to consider the following points. We urgently need further research into the efficacy of long-term psychological treatments. We need more holistic research combined with a more flexible NICE regime; as I said, Professor Haslam recently acknowledged that work is needed on the way that NICE approaches recommendations in that area. We need to give serious thought to a new commissioning model assisted by some of the reforms that have been brought into the NHS, such as commissioning groups, and building on the any qualified provider model, which brings choice and capacity into the NHS by allowing the highly professional cohort operating in the private sector to provide therapy on the NHS through IAPT.
Would the Minister seriously consider making or at least working towards a commitment to a 28-week waiting time target for access to psychological therapies? Too many people are in a state of anxiety about when they will get treatment and what that treatment will be. We need urgent action, as other hon. Members have said, to ensure that the IAPT programme is further developed for younger people and children and we need to commit to further research into what is causing the disturbing trend in mental illness among our young people. We also need urgent action to ensure that older people are not locked out of the IAPT programme. The debate is about more than the right policies; it is important because we must address the anguish and suffering of our fellow citizens whose voices desperately need to be heard and whose stories are often the key to their cure.
Sir Edward Leigh (in the Chair)
Order. In addition to the Opposition spokesperson and the Minister, three hon. Members have intimated that they wish to catch my eye. I am sure that they will keep an eye on the clock.
Jim Shannon (Strangford) (DUP)
It is a pleasure to come here and support the hon. Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis (James Morris), who has brought this matter to Westminster Hall for consideration. As my hon. Friend the Member for East Londonderry (Mr Campbell) said here yesterday, whenever we come to Westminster Hall, we congratulate the Member whose debate it is on bringing an important matter to the attention of the House. This is an important matter.
The hon. Gentleman clearly outlined the issues and their importance. My interest and that of my hon. Friends is in how such issues affect our young people. That will be the thrust of my speech. I also want to give a Northern Ireland perspective, which I believe is mirrored across the whole United Kingdom.
Dr McCrea
Does my hon. Friend agree that, for many years, mental ill health has been a taboo subject? Many of those suffering from mental health difficulties were pushed away or hidden from society. The value of such a debate is that it ensures openness in society, to deal with the important issue of mental ill health.
Jim Shannon
I thank my hon. Friend for raising that matter. That is exactly the problem; if I wanted to sum it up in one phrase, that is the phrase I would use. There was a taboo around mental ill health in the past, but hopefully we can discuss it now. I hate the word “mental”, because it almost puts the thought in one’s mind of someone to be kept at bay. We must be able to find another word in the English language that is more sympathetic. I am not sure what it would be, but we should give the matter consideration.
Psychological therapies are defined as an interpersonal process designed to bring about modification of feelings, cognitions, attitudes and behaviour—all issues the hon. Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis mentioned—that have proved troublesome to the person seeking help from a trained professional. That is what we want to achieve.
The psychological therapies in the NHS 2013 event marked the halfway point of the coalition Government’s mental health strategy. Psychological therapies generally fall into three categories: behavioural therapies, which focus on cognitions and behaviours; psychoanalytical and psychodynamic therapies, which focus on the unconscious relationship patterns that evolved from childhood, which are important; and humanistic therapies, which focus on self-development in the here and now. We need to focus on those three categories.
I presume that most Members catch up on the news on BBC or Sky before they come here. A story today covered the role of carers and what they do for elderly people, but it also mentioned their role for those with mental health issues and focused in particular on the time that carers have to deliver care to people in those two categories. It underlined where we are in the debate about those who suffer from psychological imbalance and emotional issues.
The improving access to psychological therapies programme was built on evidence, produced in 2004 by the then National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, on treating people with depression and anxiety disorders. It was created to offer patients a realistic and routine first-line treatment, combined, where appropriate, with medication, which traditionally had been the only treatment available.
Things have changed. The Minister, whom I respect greatly, will outline the issues when he responds. The IAPT programme was dedicated to spending more than £700 million on psychological therapies between 2008 and 2014. It was first targeted at people of working age, but in 2010 was opened to adults of all ages. There has been success—it would be wrong to say that there has not.
In the first three years, 900,000 people were treated for depression and anxiety; 450,000 patients are in recovery, with another 200,000 moving towards recovery; 25,000 fewer people with mental health problems are on benefits; and the average waiting time has reduced from 18 months to a few weeks. In terms of what has been done so far, that is good news, but it is fair to say that there is a lot more to do. There has been a significant increase in the number of people with such issues, and all statistics indicate that that number will continue to grow.
People require psychological therapy for many reasons. Members have spoken about the things that lead to the position we are in today and why society and Government must respond. Reasons for therapy can be to do with home life and bereavement. On many occasions in my constituency office, we deal with bereavement and how it affects not only the partner, but the young people in the house. The hon. Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis referred to that in his introduction. I regularly see it in my office—the frailty of life, the suddenness of death and how that affects people.
Unemployment, when young people who cannot get the jobs they need or the discipline that a job brings, and trouble in the workplace are other reasons for therapy. Another reason is childhood trauma, as we can see from the sexual abuse cases of the past few years. Many people were not aware of such trauma, but it existed. Social deprivation is another one, and all those issues contribute to where we are.
David Simpson
My hon. Friend mentioned young people again. Surely our schools, whether primary or secondary, need to focus on our teachers being trained to identify when a child has difficulties—the hon. Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis (James Morris) mentioned early intervention—so that treatment can be introduced at an early stage, which could solve the problem for a lifetime.
Jim Shannon
As my hon. Friend and colleague mentioned, education is one of the areas in which Government can play a role, as can, I would say, Departments responsible for health, social services and welfare. They all need to come together.
Among many other factors, one comes to mind to do with young carers who look after their mum, dad, brothers or sisters. In my constituency, there are about 230 young carers, which is a massive number. They are making a contribution to society, but they are also the main carers for their adults or siblings. Again, that is a real issue.
In Northern Ireland, unemployment, too, causes problems because, among the regions of the United Kingdom, it has the highest percentage of working-age population not in paid employment—the figure is 30% higher than the UK average, which is 19% of individuals receiving a form of out-of-work benefit. The highest rates are recorded in Londonderry with 29%, Strabane with 29% and Belfast with 26%. Some 9% of the working-age population receive disability living allowance, including the 3% who receive DLA for mental health reasons. That proportion has risen by 25% since 1998, and is more than the UK average, while 70% of those registered with a disability are not in paid work.
Incidentally, am I the only elected representative to have had an increase in referrals for those who have served in the forces suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder? I know the answer: no, I am not. In all my years as an elected representative, I cannot recall having so many referrals of soldiers, male and female, for emotional, mental-health trauma suffered as a result of their service.
The Prince’s Trust, which many of us have knowledge of and great faith in, has found that one in four young people at work are down or depressed “always” or “often”—for people of that age to be downhearted or depressed is incredible. Unfortunately, that leads to an increase in the suicide rate among young people. In parts of our Province, suicide is at frightening levels. A few years ago in my constituency, there was a spate of suicides by young people, which was saddening for the people of our area, because we knew most of them—young people who did not feel that there was much for them in the future. We must address that issue.
The figure for young people who are down or depressed always or often, but are unemployed, is 50%. That is a massive figure. Clearly, a large section of people are at risk and, in my opinion, early intervention can and will make a difference. However, to establish it, there must be funding. My hon. Friend the Member for Upper Bann (David Simpson) referred to those in education diagnosing cases early, and that is one thing we can do. Our own Health Minister in the Northern Ireland Assembly, Edwin Poots, has taken steps to address the issue, but a UK-wide strategy would be useful and must be considered. I am keen to hear what the Minister will say.
Improving access to psychological therapies in all areas such as health and employment for individuals, families and carers in Northern Ireland could relieve anxiety, depression and distress. The long-term benefits would be more than worth any initial cost. The funding has to be in order, but it has to be there to discharge effectively what has to be done.
In addition, improving mental and social well-being can help to prevent antisocial behaviour and family breakdown for children and young people—again, in my constituency, we regularly witness the effect on people of family breakdowns. It also might make a positive input into the rehabilitation of offenders and assist in the maintenance of independence, reducing reliance on residential and hospital care. The benefits are numerous and clear.
Due to the years of suffering through the troubles, many people in Northern Ireland have poor physical, emotional, behavioural and/or mental health conditions. Dr Nichola Rooney, chair of the division of clinical psychology in Northern Ireland, said that there is
“historical underinvestment in psychological therapy services for people suffering from mental health difficulties in Northern Ireland”.
I am sure that is replicated UK-wide.
Clearly, we must continue to invest and see the rewards of such therapy, not simply as a method of cutting the costs of help in the future, but because it changes the quality of people’s lives and—a knock-on effect— the lives of the people around them. Everyone benefits.
Mike Thornton (Eastleigh) (LD)
I am glad to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis (James Morris) and the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon), whose points were particularly relevant. I shall try not to repeat them too often in my speech—that might mean reducing its length slightly, people will be pleased to hear.
When I was first elected, a new aspect of my life was the size and complexity of the casework that came my way. Much of it I expected and was familiar with, having been a councillor, but the one facet that surprised—no, shocked—me was the obvious failure in our duty to those with mental health issues. The next surprise was to discover that, in fact, the situation has improved over the past few years, and for that I pay tribute to the Minister, my hon. Friend the Member for North Norfolk (Norman Lamb), and his predecessor, my right hon. Friend the Member for Sutton and Cheam (Paul Burstow).
Today, we have the news that Dr Martin Baggaley, commenting on the results of a BBC freedom of information request, said that we are in “a real crisis” regarding the provision of mental health beds in England. My hon. Friend the Member for North Norfolk, the Minister, is reported by the BBC to agree that that is unacceptable.
At least, however, the BBC was able to obtain figures for the number of beds that have been lost. What would the response have been had the local trusts said, “Sorry, we don’t keep such figures. We have no idea of the number of beds available”? In another possible scenario, one of us asks the Secretary of State for Health, “What is the waiting time for the treatment of breast cancer or leukaemia?”, but the answer is, “I don’t know and I can’t find out.” Would not the whole House erupt in outraged uproar? Would not the press ask how proper provision for those patients can be provided in such circumstances?
Without adequate data and reporting, the needs of millions of ill people cannot be addressed—people with mental health issues. Without decent information, resources cannot be allocated correctly, results properly analysed or effective treatment provided. Yet for much of mental health provision, there is insufficient knowledge of whom we are treating, how we are treating them and how long they are waiting for treatment. As my hon. Friend the Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis mentioned, we do not have minimum waiting times for much psychological therapy.
Few data are collated for the national policy framework. The data that we have focus on IAPT services and the rates for early mortality. My hon. Friend mentioned how early treatment of mental health problems can stop far worse developments, but without proper data we cannot understand that.
Seema Malhotra (Feltham and Heston) (Lab/Co-op)
The hon. Gentleman is making an important point about early intervention in mental health conditions. Does he agree that early intervention does not just stop an individual from cascading to the point at which their life becomes dysfunctional, but has a tremendous economic impact in preventing time off work and the difficulties that that causes for employers?
Mike Thornton
I agree. There is no doubt that early intervention for all forms of illness usually produces good results, and saves large amounts of money both in relation to rates of people off work and the costs of treating them in the NHS. That can be seen for cancer and heart failure, as well as mental health issues, so I entirely agree with the hon. Lady.
In my constituency, I have been particularly impressed by Solent Mind’s talking therapy programme. That IAPT programme has been effective and easy to access, and figures show that it has provided access to a huge majority within 28 days of a referral. I am not sure whether that is replicated across the country; I have been told that probably it is not.
Such IAPT services are invaluable, but there are disturbing reports that funds are provided for them with money taken away from other mental health provision. My hon. Friend the Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis mentioned some examples, so I will not repeat them, but it is a bit like increasing funds for bowel cancer care by taking cash from ovarian cancer treatment. I wonder if this morning’s BBC report reflects what is happening in beds being lost to provide money for other therapies and services.
Public Health England and NHS England have announced the development of a mental health intelligence network, which has the potential to link all existing data and map data gaps. However, given the consistent failure to give mental health provision the same status as that for so-called physical health, there is a real risk that the network will not have the resources needed to provide the data and analysis that are so urgently required.
If we are to provide adequately for the one in four of us who suffers from some form of mental illness and for their families who suffer with them, I urge the Minister to ensure that all local commissioning groups and trusts treat information regarding all forms of mental illness with the same parity of esteem as that relating to physical illnesses. I again urge Members to remember that if someone is ill, they are ill. There would be no such lack of data if the absurd, anachronistic and artificial distinction between physical and mental illness did not exist.
Andrew Selous (South West Bedfordshire) (Con)
Like my colleagues, I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis (James Morris) on bringing this important debate before the House. We know from this morning’s radio bulletins that the discussion is topical and timely, and I am pleased to have the opportunity to contribute to it.
My focus will be on the need to broaden the scope of what is offered under IAPT, particularly in relation to couple relationships. I strongly believe that it is hugely in the interests of the NHS and the Department of Health to realise the significance of strong couple relationships to good health, which is essential to protecting the NHS budget. That point is really important—[Interruption].
Sir Edward Leigh (in the Chair)
Order. Officials should not talk to a Member of Parliament while the debate is continuing.
Andrew Selous
As colleagues have already stated, data on the type of therapies available under IAPT show that couple therapy is available in less than a quarter of cases. The data came from the “National Audit of Psychological Therapies for Anxiety and Depression, National Report 2011”, so they are official. The figure for couple therapy is only 24.6%, while interpersonal therapy is available in under half, or 48.3%, of the settings in which provision is made. For psychodynamic and psychoanalytic therapy, the figure is under 40%, at 39.8%, whereas cognitive behavioural therapy is available in 94.9%—just under 95%—of cases.
Those figures demonstrate the significance of CBT, which for some people with mental health issues is absolutely the right treatment, but it is important to realise that CBT is clearly not the appropriate treatment for all those with mental health conditions. We should also remember that all those therapies are approved and recommended by NICE, and the evidence shows that all such treatments are effective for the right patients.
I am particularly concerned that the benefits of a relational approach to the treatment of depression are not being realised and that, in many cases, individual CBT counselling is given where it is not appropriate. I want to tell a true story of one young couple’s experience of interacting with the IAPT programme. Figures and sums of money give the broad picture—they are our stock in trade as Members of Parliament—but they are a bit high-level and do not capture the essence of mental health provision on the front line.
Let me tell the story of Polly and Mark—to protect their anonymity, those are not their real names—who experienced considerable challenges in having two children, with several miscarriages and a stillbirth. Polly became very low and left her successful career. The hon. Member for Feltham and Heston (Seema Malhotra) has already pointed out the cost to the economy when people have mental health issues. Polly’s husband, Mark, had a very difficult childhood, and he was badly affected by his parents’ violent and stormy relationship.
When Polly and Mark’s youngest child was two, Polly confessed that she had had an affair seven years earlier, which left her feeling guilt and shame long after it ended. On learning that, Mark was utterly devastated by the revelation and fell into a deep depression, with unmanageable rages during which he threatened to kill the other man. Polly developed severe headaches, so she went to her GP and was sent for tests. On finding nothing wrong, the GP recommended that Polly have individual counselling focusing on the stillbirth four years previously. After being unable to work and having three weeks of sleepless nights, Mark also visited his GP. Mark was referred to a psychiatrist, who diagnosed him as suffering from acute depression and prescribed him antidepressants.
The couple were acutely conscious that their relationship was about to break down. Not having been offered any form of couple therapy by IAPT, they approached a voluntary sector service, and for six months, they went to weekly couple therapy. At the same time, they were offered cognitive behavioural therapy through IAPT. They believed that the problem was their relationship, but health professionals clearly thought that the depression needed treatment. In couple therapy, Polly was able to share her anxieties about her parents’ divorce and about how she did not want her children to suffer as she had. As the couple therapy progressed, Mark and Polly became more open with each other and began to understand how their relationship problems were a product of both recent and past difficulties.
An important point is that that couple therapy—it was not provided through IAPT; Mark and Polly had to go to the voluntary sector for it, because IAPT had offered them CBT that they did not need—was voluntary help that lasted for six months. My concern is that IAPT provision, whether of CBT or other measures, is often given for only a short period, which is not always appropriate or likely to be successful in such cases.
That true story illustrates powerfully why we need to look again at the IAPT programme, excellent though much of it is, and to take a relational approach to many of the issues where appropriate. I hope that it has been helpful to Members to put that real-life case study on the record.
Academic studies show why what I have said is important and matters. Evidence reveals links between relationship quality, depression and re-employability. For example, a meta-analysis conducted by McKee in 2005 concluded that lack of social support by partners in a relationship has negative impacts on the physical and psychological health of the unemployed person and is especially associated with more frequent development of psychosomatic symptoms, stress and depression.
The all-party parliamentary group on strengthening couple relationships, which I chair, and the newly formed Relationships Alliance published only last week a report that said that relationships were the missing link in public health. That report showed that relationship quality is often a key determinant of health and well-being, and that it has strong links with the ability to deal well with cardiovascular disease, obesity, alcohol misuse and mental health issues. All those issues link up, and strengthening the health of couple relationships is often right at the heart of them.
If we look at what has happened since the IAPT programme began—I understand that it receives funding of about £400 million a year—we can see that the investment has been very much towards cognitive behavioural therapy, with interpersonal psychotherapy, counselling for depression, brief dynamic therapy and couple therapy the poor relations in the area.
In a written parliamentary question, answered on 8 January 2013 and printed in volume 556, column 258, of the Official Report, we learn that of 1,225 sessions in 2012-13 only 99 were for couple therapy, whereas 459 were for CBT low-intensity therapy and 322 for CBT high-intensity therapy. If we look at the period from 2008-09 all the way through to the projections for 2013-14, we will see that of nearly 8,000 different sessions—7,958 to be precise—only 297 were for couple therapy. The story that I have just given of Polly and Mark shows that such sessions are needed up and down are country and can indeed make a significant difference.
Seema Malhotra
The hon. Gentleman is making a powerful speech on the importance of having a relational base to services. In my own constituency of Feltham and Heston, I visited a service that was started a year ago by the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children. It works with children who have parents with drug and alcohol problems. I am struck by what the hon. Gentleman is saying. Is he able to talk a bit more about, or perhaps give a comment on, how having such a focus in a service can help children who are the victim of the illness of their parents?
Andrew Selous
I am grateful to the hon. Lady for her comments. May I extend to her a very warm invitation to come to the next meeting of the all-party parliamentary group on 6 November when we will consider such issues further? She is absolutely right that these issues are intergenerational. If she was following the example of Mark and Polly, she would have learned that it was their own parents’ stormy relationships that had affected them. Of course their children were suffering deeply from the problems that they were having in their own relationship or marriage. Such issues are deeply related, and she is completely right to say that the children suffer hugely when there are relationship problems between the parents. It is vital that we get this matter right for the children, and I would welcome her support on a cross-party basis on these important issues; they are just too important to be bipartisan about. I would love to have cross-party agreement on the importance of relational issues in public health, because I feel so passionately about the matter.
Another concern is the geographic differences in the ability to get couple therapy through IAPT at the moment. Ruth Sutherland, the chief executive officer of Relate, told me only yesterday that the programme is very geographically bound. Provision is better in the north of England—I note that there are not many colleagues from the north of England in the Chamber today—than in the south, so there is an inequality of access geographically, as well as there being fewer of these sessions available across the UK as a whole.
Let me make one further point to the Minister about why one part of IAPT provision is an incredibly serious matter for the whole NHS. As a clinician, he will know about the huge importance of long-term conditions, which are faced by so many of our constituents. He will be well aware of the significant demands that they will make on the NHS in years to come. I am talking about strokes and dementia and all sorts of other long-term ailments that many of our constituents will live with for a very long time.
I heard a moving story a couple of weeks ago from a gentleman who was visiting his elderly parents in Manchester. He said that between them as a couple they could function. Between the two of them, they had one pair of eyes, ears and legs that worked. They were both sick in different ways. They could cope and look after each other, but what would have happened if they had split in younger years? They might have been like Polly and Mark and had difficulties and not been able to receive the type of help that I have outlined. Let us say that they did sadly split up, like so many couples do today. They would be in two different flats in different parts of Manchester needing far more help from their GP and far more adult care, and that would fall on the clinicians for whom the Minister is responsible and on adult social services. Yes, it would have an impact on their families, and we would all be paying more through our taxes and there would greater burdens on business as well from having to look after that couple in two different settings. The importance of strong couple relationships in older age, in later life, is critical not least to deal with the increase in long-term conditions, which are becoming more and more prevalent and which many of our constituents will be coping with for many years to come. That is my final pitch to the Minister.
We are talking specifically about mental health and IAPT. I understand that a lot of good work is being done under IAPT and that it is an excellent programme, but I ask the Minister, when he goes back to his Department and talks to his colleagues and the Secretary of State, to take back with him the absolute centrality of strong relational health up and down are country as far as public health, the burdens on the NHS and his Department are concerned.
Luciana Berger (Liverpool, Wavertree) (Lab/Co-op)
Sir Edward, it is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship this morning.
This has been a thoughtful and important debate on a subject that is not talked about nearly enough. Every day in Britain, people of all ages and backgrounds, and from all communities, have their lives blighted by the spectre of mental illness. Theirs are some of the great untold stories of our society. As many hon. Members have already said, the issue of mental health has been swept under the carpet for too long. One in six people are afflicted by mental illness, but all too often they are scared into silence. That is why this discussion is so important.
I also congratulate the hon. Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis (James Morris) on securing this debate and on the campaigning that he has done on this issue. In addition, I thank him for giving me the opportunity to talk about mental health in my first debate as Labour’s newly appointed shadow Minister with responsibility for public health.
This debate is even more timely because of the news that we have heard on the BBC this morning, to which a number of hon. Members have already referred. Dr Baggaley, the director of medicine at South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust, has said that our mental health services are in “crisis”, following the news—after the BBC made freedom of information requests—that in a little more than two years we have seen the loss of 1,700 mental health beds. I note that the Minister of State, Department of Health, who is the Minister with responsibility for care, said this morning that the situation is “unacceptable” and that the provision must improve. I hope that the Minister who is here in Westminster Hall today will refer to that when he responds to the debate.
We have heard a number of valuable contributions this morning. In responding to the excellent points that have been made, I will cover three broad themes: first, I will reiterate the importance of early intervention; secondly, I will talk about the improving access to psychological therapies programme, including some specific issues about how IAPT needs to work better; and thirdly, I will talk about what we need to do beyond IAPT.
Let me begin with early intervention. As hon. Members have already said, the long-term consequences are clear if we do not tackle mental illness early; indeed, we can already see those consequences right across our society today. We can see them in the workplace, where mental illness is the largest single cause of long-term sick leave; we can see them in our criminal justice system, where 70% of those in our prisons have a mental illness; and we can see them in our economy, where mental ill health costs Britain’s businesses £26 billion every year, or £71 million every day. Also, in our health service, according to the London School of Economics the physical health care necessitated by mental illness costs the NHS an extra £10 billion each year. All those points show why the case for action could not be any clearer.
I am sure that, like myself, many hon. Members will have had experience of constituents coming to them for assistance; indeed, several hon. Members have referred to those experiences in their contributions to the debate. Constituents come to us in deep distress and dire circumstances. However, many of those situations could have been avoided if those people had received specialist treatment for mental illnesses at a much earlier stage. I echo the hon. Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis, who said that it is absolutely crucial that we look at this issue of early intervention.
That was why in 2007 the last Labour Government launched the IAPT programme, which helped to make respected and evidence-based therapies available to more people than ever before. As we heard in the hon. Gentleman’s opening speech, thousands of people have been helped on that programme so far. Since then, the current Government have continued the programme and extended it to cover more people, which is a welcome step. However, as this debate has made clear, IAPT is still a developing scheme, with areas that are in need of much improvement. So, my second theme is to focus on those areas that require attention, and I would be grateful if the Minister could address them in his closing remarks.
There are three areas in particular that require attention. The first is funding. Spending on IAPT has increased from zero in 2008-09, when the programme was first launched, to £214 million in 2011-12. The Department of Health has also allocated £54 million to improve access to therapies for children and young people, which is a good step. However, it must be noted that Ministers always pledged that IAPT funding would be additional funding and would not replace existing psychotherapy services. Despite those assurances, non-IAPT therapy services have been cut by more than 5%. Funding has fallen from £185 million in 2009-09 to £172 million in 2011-12. What makes that even more worrying is that overall mental health spending has been cut in real terms for the second year in a row.
That real-terms cut has particular resonance when it comes to the second area that requires attention, which is waiting times; again, waiting times have already been mentioned by hon. Members during this debate. NICE’s aim is that patients receive access to evidence-based therapies within 28 days of referral. It is regrettable that this debate falls the day before the latest programme statistics are published. According to the latest figures, however, which are for 2012-13, more people are having to wait longer to start receiving treatment for anxiety or depression.
Seema Malhotra
My hon. Friend makes very important points about waiting times and how they have continued, and also about the cuts to services. Given that the number of university students seeking counselling has risen by a third in the last four years, does she agree that it is important to recognise the impact that the drop in funding could be having on vulnerable students, sometimes forcing them to leave university, which can affect the rest of their life? With the number of students in that situation increasing and without data for average waiting times, we must recognise the importance of early intervention and very fast response.
Luciana Berger
I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention, and she raises an important issue. There are lots of different groups of people who do not have access to these sorts of services or who have to wait a disproportionate amount of time to access them. We have already heard hon. Members talking about older people who might not be able to access the IAPT programme, and my hon. Friend refers to university students, who do not necessarily fall into the category of children and young people, but who, as young adults, are struggling with leaving home and with financial pressures.
I have not seen any direct research about what effect the current cost of living crisis is having on our population—I hope that there will be some research into that issue—but my experience from my case load as a constituency MP indicates that we have a problem in our society regarding the pressures of life. More people are having to access these services and therefore the services should be available, which makes the issues of waiting times even more relevant.
More than 115,000 people had to wait more than 28 days from referral until their first treatment or therapy session, which was a 19% increase from the previous year. The hon. Member for South West Bedfordshire (Andrew Selous) made the point that this issue is not only about the statistics but the people behind the statistics, who have to go through the trauma of waiting for treatment and suffering the uncertainty of not knowing when it will come.
On Monday, someone contacted me to say that they had been waiting for a year and a half for cognitive behavioural therapy in the Wirral, on Merseyside, and just this morning on BBC “Breakfast”: there was a woman who was interviewed who had had to wait 17 months for talking therapies treatment. Eventually, she had to be sectioned as her condition deteriorated while she waited for treatment. These cases are not unusual— there are too many cases like them—and it pains me to learn of them. According to a report produced by the We Need to Talk coalition of mental health charities and royal colleges, one in five people have been waiting for more than a year to receive treatment. However, the same report found that people who receive treatment within three months are almost five times more likely to be helped back into work by therapy than others who have to wait for one or two years. As another person wrote to me this week, even a six-week wait can seem a whole lot longer if someone is clinically depressed. Just as we focus on waiting times for cancer treatment and other examples of physical care, we must do the same for mental health therapies.
I will repeat the commitment, which my right hon. Friend the Leader of the Opposition made a year ago, that the next Labour Government will rewrite the NHS constitution; that we will strengthen the rights that it grants to patients; that we will create a genuine parity between mental and physical health care; and that we will set down a new right of access to the therapies that we have been talking about this morning. That will mean that mental health patients will be entitled not only to drugs and other medical treatments but to psychological therapies, and they will have the same guarantees on waiting times, professional advice and patient experience.
However, in addition to how long it takes to receive treatment, we need to examine the range of therapies that are available in the first place, which brings me to my third broad theme; again, it is a theme that has been already been referred to by other hon. Members, but it is important to reinforce it and to ask the Minister to respond to it. Different people are affected by different mental health conditions for all sorts of different reasons. That is why we need diverse mental health provision, with a range of therapies, to cater for people with different needs, preferences and personalities. As the hon. Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis said, only five types of therapy are currently available via IAPT. Moreover, 90% of IAPT funding has gone towards cognitive behaviour therapies, with limited support for other modes of therapy. The United Kingdom Council for Psychotherapy has described this as an
“overwhelmingly manualised and brief approach to therapy that sits at odds with the professional practice of the majority of leading psychotherapists and counsellors.”
We need to look at going beyond basic therapies that help people go about their day-to-day lives more adequately. There needs to be appropriate room for more intense and longer term psychological treatments, so that the underlying causes do not go unaddressed.
The hon. Member for South West Bedfordshire mentioned the need for couples therapies. The hon. Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis also talked about older peoples’ problems with accessing treatment.
There is a patient choice issue, too. According to a survey of 500 service users by Mind, only 8% of people had a full choice about which therapy they received and just 13% had a choice about where they received therapy. The 8% who had full choice of therapies—a very small number—were, on average, three times happier with their treatment and five times more likely to say that therapy had helped them back into work. As the programme develops, we need to do all we can to ensure that it caters to people’s individual needs.
What needs to be done beyond IAPT? As welcome as IAPT is, we have to remember that the programme currently only aspires to be available to 15% of the population. The programme’s three-year report, published last November, shows that it is currently delivering 45% recovery rates and aims to reach 50% by March 2015. The big question this raises is, what about the other 50% to 55%—the 50% who continue to suffer from conditions, having gone through the IAPT process, but are not eligible for more intensive psychotherapy services under the stepped care model? That question, and this debate, requires an answer that goes far beyond the IAPT programme. It requires ending the artificial dividing lines in our NHS and pursuing a whole person, fully integrated approach to mental, physical, social and care issues, as Labour has indicated, and it demands a complete revaluation of how we, as a country, think about and approach mental health. That is what Labour’s mental health taskforce is looking at, under the expert leadership of Stephen O’Brien, the chair of Barts Health NHS Trust.
General mental health support should not start in hospital or the treatment room. It needs to start in our workplaces, our schools and our communities, even across our kitchen tables and in the conversations we have with one another. There is no reason why we should not be able to talk about mental health and psychological therapies in the same way we do about access to sexual health services, vaccinations or cancer treatment, but we have a long way to go.
I look forward to the Minister’s response. I hope that he will respond to my questions and issues raised by other hon. Members. Returning to my opening comments on today’s news about the crisis in mental health provision and the reduction in the number of beds, the point of our debate is access to services that would prevent people from going into those beds in the first place. However, we hear today that bed capacity is at 100%. I hope that the Minister will mention those issues as well, because they are interlinked.
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health (Dr Daniel Poulter)
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Sir Edward. I pay tribute to my hon. Friend the Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis (James Morris) for securing this debate, for his tremendous work on the all-party group in highlighting the importance of mental health and the need to continue to raise mental health issues, and for his supporting the Government in seeking parity between physical and mental health, to which we have been committed since the coalition came to power in 2010. I congratulate the hon. Member for Liverpool, Wavertree (Luciana Berger) on her promotion to her new role and commend her largely bipartisan approach to the debate and on recognising that some of these issues are bigger than party politics.
Before I deal with some important issues raised by my hon. Friend the Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis, I want to touch on the contributions of other hon. Members and talk about the context in which we are operating. We recognise, as a Government—I think that all hon. Members in this debate have recognised—that for far too long we focused on crisis management in health care generally, particularly in mental health, rather than on upstream interventions, which is where IAPT plays such an important role to keep people well in their own homes and communities, instead of picking up the pieces when they become so unwell at the other end. There is a good economic argument for that, but it also provides much better care for the patients and the people we all care about as Members of Parliament, and whom I care about as a doctor.
The hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon) raised some important issues about veterans’ health. He knows that I have personally committed to improving the provision of physical and mental health care for our armed forces veterans. There are now 10 dedicated teams in England, focusing on supporting our veterans who have post-traumatic stress disorder and other mental health problems, post-discharge. A lot of work is going on—much more collaborative work—between the NHS and the armed forces, to ensure that general practitioners and health care professionals in England are much more aware of armed forces personnel coming back into their care, after serving in the armed forces, that a more holistic approach is taken, that people do not present too late in crisis and that GPs can be much more proactive in offering reassurance and support to veterans who may be running into the early signs of difficulties. My counterpart in Northern Ireland has been working hard on that and he should be commended for it.
My hon. Friends the Members for South West Bedfordshire (Andrew Selous) and for Eastleigh (Mike Thornton) made important contributions about the holistic approach to health care in general, about how mental health needs to be considered holistically and about the benefits to wider society of upstream interventions. Getting health care right can also provide additional benefits for the economy; for example, by supporting families to stay together and bring up their children. All these things are beneficial and at the heart of my work on early interventions projects. My hon. Friend the Member for Hornchurch and Upminster (Dame Angela Watkinson), who is no longer in this Chamber, and I are working closely on that.
Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore) (Lab)
I apologise for being late. I was at another meeting. I, too, congratulate the hon. Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis (James Morris) on securing the debate. Has the Minister already secured a meeting with Welsh Government Ministers, or will he do so in future, to discuss the approach towards veterans that he outlined? That issue is close to my heart, because I am aware of emergency rescue situations in which things have gone too far, when services, including mental health services, have been stretched way beyond their means in dealing with them. There would be benefits from sharing best practice across all the regions and nations.
Dr Poulter
The hon. Gentleman is right. We UK Health Ministers work collaboratively on many issues. However, on veterans, we have to recognise that, although we have UK-wide armed forces, health is a devolved responsibility. We need to share different initiatives better between the devolved Administrations. Some remote areas of Wales, in particular, could learn from best practice in the NHS about how we are using, to good effect, specialist mental health teams for veterans. I should be happy to share that and meet my counterpart in Wales to talk that through in greater detail.
I will focus in particular on the important contribution of my hon. Friend the Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis. He addressed a number of issues that are central to the provision of good mental health care, and he threw down some challenges on how we could make things better. In particular, he praised the scale of the Government’s ambition to have genuine parity between physical and mental health, which has to be right; it is at the centre of everything that we are looking towards in the good commissioning of services locally.
I reassure the hon. Member for Liverpool, Wavertree that, with the addition of IAPT, there has been a substantial increase in the NHS’s total investment in psychological therapies. As she will be aware, however, it is down to local commissioners to prioritise their resources to meet local need, based on the local population that they serve. In the past, the challenge has been that good commissioning has too often been seen purely through the framework of physical health. Through the NHS Commissioning Board’s mandate, we are now ensuring that there is parity between mental and physical health. That journey is already well under way to ensure that good commissioning is no longer just about commissioning for acute services, such as stroke and heart attack, but about looking at the whole patient and considering the importance of upstream interventions, which are central to IAPT’s role in looking after patients.
My hon. Friend the Member for Halesowen and Rowley Regis also talked about the need to consider CBT and its evidence base. As he knows, it is not the role of Ministers to question the integrity of NICE, but NICE keeps its criteria under review, and there is a very strong evidence base to support CBT. The evidence base for IAPT is continually being developed and adapted, and a number of pilots are already in place to consider the potential to extend the scope of therapies, including to older people. I hope that that is reassuring. NICE will be listening to this debate, and it continues to evaluate the evidence. With mental health, there has always been controversy on how evidence is collated, because mental health is different from physical health, and NICE will keep that under review when it adapts and introduces future guidelines.
The debate has been called because all hon. Members in the room believe that, for too long, there has been too much focus on crisis management and acute response when patients with mental health conditions become very unwell. We would all like to see much more focus on upstream intervention, which is what IAPT is all about. We need to move the focus away from SSRIs—selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors—and drug-based therapy towards upstream, proactive intervention for what is sometimes a very vulnerable patient group.
The benefits of early intervention have been outlined by many hon. Members. There are clear health benefits, but there are also economic benefits, benefits to the family and benefits from getting people back to work, education and training, and from supporting people to have more productive and happier lives. That is why we will continue to ensure parity of esteem in commissioning for physical and mental health, and it is why we will continue to support upstream interventions in the early years—I will address early-years IAPT later. We will also ensure that we continually drive good commissioning to encompass mental health as well as physical health. That holistic approach to health care, by prioritising mental health, is good for people’s health care, good for families and good for the economy. That is why we will ensure that it remains a priority.
As hon. Members will be aware, the mandate set by the Government for NHS England last year establishes a holistic approach as a priority for the whole NHS for the first time. Improving access to psychological therapies is fundamental to the success of improving mental health. The mandate makes it clear that everyone who needs them should have timely access to evidence-based services. That is particularly important for mental health. By the end of March 2015, IAPT services will be available to at least 15% of those who could benefit—an estimated 900,000 people a year. We are also increasing the availability of services to cover children and young people with long-term physical health problems and those with severe mental illness to ensure that everyone can access therapies. There is an emphasis on those who are out of work, the black and minority ethnic populations and older people and their carers.
IAPT is being made available throughout the country. The programme was started by the previous Government in 2008, and we now have an IAPT service in every clinical commissioning group. There are more than 4,000 trained practitioners, and more than 1 million people are entering and completing treatment. Recovery rates have consistently been in excess of 45%, and they are much greater in many areas. The programme already has a clear track record of evidence-based success, and it is helping to reach some of the most disadvantaged and marginalised people in our society, which we would all say is a good thing.
Andrew Selous
My hon. Friend is absolutely right about the evidence. Although this is a little premature, he might be aware that the Department for Education has just commissioned evidence on the efficacy and cost-benefits of couple counselling. I have sometimes heard it said that there is no evidence for anything other than CBT, so will he say a little about the range of provision available under IAPT, specifically in relation to couple counselling?
Dr Poulter
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I will address children’s IAPT in a moment, because the hon. Member for Upper Bann (David Simpson) made an important point on that.
My hon. Friend is right that, through not only IAPT but other programmes that consider health care more holistically—particularly the family nurse programme, which is aimed at vulnerable teenage mums—upstream intervention supporting those vulnerable groups helps to keep couples together and helps reduce rates of domestic violence. The programmes also support a stronger bond between mum and baby, so the child does better at school and mum and dad are supported to get back into education, training and work. So it is a win-win situation for the economy, and it helps vulnerable younger parents to have a better start in their own lives and provides a better start in life for their children. That is not exclusive to family nurses; we are also considering how the approach may be developed with IAPT, so that we can have a more joined-up approach both to children’s health generally and to families.
Earlier this year, I launched a system-wide pledge across education, local authorities, the voluntary sector and the NHS to do everything we can to give each and every child the best start in life. Part of the pledge is to do exactly what my hon. Friend outlines, which is to focus on getting early and upstream interventions right to support children in having the best start in life. We are also seeing the benefits of supporting families and reducing rates of domestic violence. I hope that is reassuring, and we will continue to develop and press those policies.
Briefly, our children’s IAPT programme is no less ambitious in its aim to transform services. In 2011, we announced funding for children and young people’s IAPT of £8 million a year for four years, and in 2012, we agreed significant additional investment of up to £22 million over the next three years, which is a total of £54 million up to 2015. That additional funding will be used to extend the range of evidence-based therapies to include systematic family therapies and interpersonal psychotherapy, to extend the range, reach and number of collaborators within the project and to develop interactive e-learning programmes to extend the skills and knowledge of professionals such as teachers, social workers and counsellors. Again, there is a multi-agency approach to improving the support and care available to children, because this is not just about the NHS, but about local authorities and education working together to get it right for young people. Behind those facts and figures are the people whose lives and services have been transformed by IAPT.
To conclude, it might be worth outlining a recent conversation that I had with a GP. When talking about IAPTs in West Sussex, he said, “I hear from GP colleagues that this is the single most positive change to their medical practice in the last 20 years, and I echo this. Our local service reaches out to the community, and it is always looking at ways to improve. It is continually developing new evidence-based interventions for people with anxiety and depression, delivered one-on-one and in groups in a flexible way that means patients have real choice. They have filled a huge gap in need and are a force for good.” That is absolutely right, and it is why we will continue to develop parity between mental and physical health and continue to expand the IAPT programme.