Debates between Simon Hoare and Helen Goodman during the 2015-2017 Parliament

Charter for Budget Responsibility

Debate between Simon Hoare and Helen Goodman
Wednesday 14th October 2015

(9 years, 2 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Helen Goodman Portrait Helen Goodman (Bishop Auckland) (Lab)
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I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Boston and Skegness (Matt Warman). He has clearly not read the columns of his former colleague Martin Wolf, who agrees with the arguments made by Labour Members. If anybody wanted to know whether this was a political gimmick, they only needed to look at the 90 minutes provided on the Order Paper for this debate—a pitiful 90 minutes to discuss something that is meant to be an important economic policy.

As my hon. Friend the Member for Bassetlaw (John Mann) said, we took evidence on this—

Simon Hoare Portrait Simon Hoare
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Will the hon. Lady give way?

Helen Goodman Portrait Helen Goodman
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No, I will show the hon. Gentleman the same courtesy the Chancellor showed me.

We took evidence on this matter in the Treasury Committee in July. We found nobody who was prepared to endorse the Chancellor’s proposals. Even the Governor of the Bank of England, when pressed by the Chair of the Select Committee, said that he was

“declining to opine on specific legislation”.

He stated that

“the UK Government have had the announced intention in Budgets in place for a sustained fiscal consolidation. That is one of the headwinds against the economy”.

It was not just left-wing economists who criticised the Chancellor. The head of the Thatcherite Institute of Economic Affairs, Professor Philip Booth, said that the fact that

“these very damaging things have been done to child tax credit systems…is my biggest concern.”

He continued:

“I think in the handbook of possible fiscal rules the Government is choosing a very, very, very bad one.”

One of the most pernicious things about the rule that the Chancellor has chosen is that it treats capital and current spending the same. He is ignoring the fact that investing in housing, science, broadband, transport and the university system is a way of strengthening economic productivity and increasing growth in the British economy. Nobody thinks that it is right to max out the credit card to pay the weekly grocery bill—of course not—but families up and down this country take out mortgages to buy their homes. There is a precise parallel here.

Opposition Members are not deficit deniers. We want to bring down the debt-to-GDP ratio, as the shadow Chancellor said. In that task, the Chancellor has failed spectacularly. The debt has gone up by £500 billion under his stewardship. To get the debt-to-GDP ratio down, we must do two things. We must run the public finances in a sensible way. That means making sensible savings, for example by tackling fraud in the housing benefit system and not going ahead with the ludicrous cuts to inheritance tax, which will benefit the richest in our country. At the same time, we must get sustainable growth into the economy. That means investment.