Funding for Local Authorities

Debate between Rory Stewart and Brandon Lewis

Thursday 10th October 2013 Commons Chamber

[Brandon Lewis]

I am afraid that I entirely disagree. Having led a local council that, before my time, had seen council tax increases of 18% and 16%—they were regularly in the double figures—and in a country where council tax doubled under the Labour Government, I believe that hard-working people think that council tax should be kept low and that councils should be looking at how they spend their money, not just building up reserves and then pleading poverty. If they believe that they are short of money, they should use the reserves they have to invest for income in the future and make savings, as many good authorities are doing.

The hon. Member for Mid Dorset and North Poole (Annette Brooke), in a very strong speech, touched on the new homes bonus, as did a number of Members. It is an issue that we are looking at. There is a consultation at the moment and the Government will of course respond to it. The hon. Member for Easington (Grahame M. Morris) referred to fire authorities, but he should bear in mind that the response to the Knight review is coming. Fire authorities were protected in order to make some of the efficiencies that they should have been making but in too many cases were not.

My hon. Friend the Member for Penrith and The Border (Rory Stewart) outlined in his strong contribution—other Members also commented on this—how he thought the funding gap should be reduced. I say to my hon. Friend that the gap between rural and urban with regard to spending per head has reduced by 4%.

That leads me to an important point raised by my hon. Friend the Member for Beverley and Holderness (Mr Stuart) in his passionate speech. I thought I was doing well with his flattery and compliments, for which I am grateful. He was clearly being sincere until he mentioned the word “svelte”; I knew then that my ego was not being brushed in the way I hoped. My hon. Friend made a clear point about the analysis. While he was away after suffering an unfortunate injury, I met SPARSE and I would be happy to go through this again. We managed to clarify the difference between how it and the Government have calculated the figures. A rural area is different for the Government, because an area such as my county of Norfolk, which would usually be classed as rural, has within it urban areas such as Norwich, Great Yarmouth and King’s Lynn, and that gives us a slightly different calculation. I would be happy to go through the figures with my hon. Friend when we get to them in a few months’ time.

[Rory Stewart]

Will the Minister please consider the broader context? The county of Cumbria is losing £63 million from its health budget and another £1 million from its fire budget. These things cannot be seen in silos. They have to be put together.

[Brandon Lewis]

My hon. Friend makes a reasonable point. I will touch on how these things come together and the work we are doing to deal with that.

The hon. Member for North Devon (Sir Nick Harvey) made a passionate and strong speech about sparsity and disparity and how they need to be dealt with. My hon. Friend the Member for Shrewsbury and Atcham (Daniel Kawczynski) made a powerful point about the chief executive of the Local Government Association, who is clearly disposed towards higher council tax charges for residents, which I think all of us—those of us on the Conservative Benches, at least—want to move away from while we keep frozen and low council tax. In some areas, good Conservative councils are even cutting council tax for their hard-working residents. I noted my hon. Friend’s comment about asset sales. I will look at that, and if he will bear with me I will get back to him on that specific issue.

My hon. Friend was absolutely right to mention incentives to pool and work together. We have put incentives in place and I will touch on them in a moment. Councils such as High Peak, Staffordshire Moorlands, Breckland and South Holland have just this week benefitted from those incentives and the money we announced.

My hon. Friend the Member for Beverley and Holderness continues to make a strong case on this issue. He has pushed it with other Members and comes to see me regularly. I have no doubt that our conversations will continue as we approach the financial settlement period over the next few months.

My hon. Friend the Member for Worcester (Mr Walker) and my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Sleaford and North Hykeham (Stephen Phillips) highlighted the cost for rural areas, particularly with regard to transport. Members representing urban areas often mention issues to do with density and poverty and how they balance out. That issue has yet to be proven with regard to cost differences and we will continue to look at it.

I gently say to the hon. Member for Cambridge (Dr Huppert) that, if Cambridgeshire is so short of funding, he might want to ask how it could afford a huge pay-off and the rather interesting system it has used to reappoint the chief fire office of its fire authority. That happened in the past few weeks and it has raised a number of questions.

Local Government Procurement

Debate between Rory Stewart and Brandon Lewis

Wednesday 16th January 2013 Westminster Hall

[Brandon Lewis]

The hon. Gentleman makes a very good point. Working together produces an awful lot of benefits; he is right about that. They include spreading best practice and being able to buy in a larger critical mass and therefore get a better purchase price.

There are many good examples out there. I have mentioned what Hertfordshire is doing with small and medium-sized businesses. Waveney district council has simplified its tender documents to encourage third sector organisations, as well as small businesses, to tender for contract opportunities. Its objective is to reduce the maximum time for suppliers to complete a tender response to one hour. That kind of practice makes life much easier for businesses that do not have the capacity to take on some of the larger tender documents that we have seen in the past. We need to make contract opportunities more accessible in such ways.

I again thank the hon. Member for Denton and Reddish for initiating the debate to give us all a chance, through the record of Hansard, to highlight to local authorities that want to take notice of what they could be doing. Their members can look at what other authorities are doing and challenge their officers to go further and faster on this journey.

[Rory Stewart]

Will my hon. Friend the Minister touch on the question raised about Cumbria and, indeed, the local charity question more widely? What could local authorities do to help procurement in relation to local charities against national charities?