Hospital Services (South Manchester)

Philip Hollobone Excerpts

Tuesday 8th September 2015 Westminster Hall

[Jeff Smith]

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. Clearly, Wythenshawe was the public choice for a specialist hospital.

On working together, which I was just talking about, there is clearly a growing and improved relationship between Wythenshawe and the Manchester Royal Infirmary. Some people see that as a concern, but I think that it is very much to be welcomed and we need to see it as an opportunity.

In south Manchester, we have the opportunity to be an exemplar of partnership working. We have two fine hospitals in Wythenshawe and the MRI, which are on either side of my constituency. My constituency also houses the excellent—and, I believe, underused—facilities at Withington community hospital, which was established under the last Labour Government. I look forward to an expanded role for Withington community hospital in health provision in south Manchester, supporting the two major hospitals and providing joined-up services for all our communities.

We have an opportunity to use Withington community hospital to integrate community services, primary care, secondary care and mental health support, with health services and social care services working together for the benefit of all the community in Manchester Withington and the whole of south Manchester. I urge everyone involved to make the most of that opportunity to expand and improve services at Withington community hospital.

I agree with many comments that hon. Members have made about the Healthier Together process, but I welcome the opportunity to use all those hospital resources together—to use Withington as a thriving community hospital to improve health outcomes for people in south Manchester.

[Mr Philip Hollobone (in the Chair)]

Before I call the Front Benchers, I should say that we are going to have the pleasure of hearing Mike Kane sum up the debate for three minutes at the end. I would be grateful if the Front Benchers would be kind enough to leave him enough time to do that and if he would be kind enough to leave me 30 seconds at the very end to put the motion to the Chamber.

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[Ben Gummer]

I am acutely aware of the huge spread of sensibleness on both sides of the Chamber, and I would not want any of my remarks to be construed as suggesting otherwise. On the contrary, I restate that it is not only reasonable but right that local Members respond to the views expressed by very experienced clinicians in their local hospital.

In my short discussions so far with local commissioners —I am sure there will be more discussions—I have impressed on them the need to engage fully with all clinicians. I understand that they began the process afresh before I made that request and that they will continue that engagement. We will only get good reconfigurations across the country if we have the general buy-in of clinicians and the public. We are now doing that better than we were five, 10 or 15 years ago, when every reconfiguration of every kind was fought tooth and nail by everyone. There is now a general move to an understanding that we need to make some changes to some areas. Indeed, the shadow Secretary of State for Health, the right hon. Member for Leigh (Andy Burnham), has made clear his desire to see some services centralised:

“If local hospitals are to grow into integrated providers of Whole-Person Care, then it will make sense to continue to separate general care from specialist care, and continue to centralise the latter. So hospitals will need to change and we shouldn’t fear that.”

I could not agree with him more on that general principle, but it does not change the fact that commissioners need to engage with every single party.

My hon. Friend the Member for Altrincham and Sale West, and every other Member, can be sure that I will pass back to commissioners their specific concerns about that engagement. In the discussions, which I am sure will continue between all of us, I hope that he and other Members will notice continued engagement between commissioners and clinicians at the hospital, and I hope that there will be a happier outcome than the one that might come about through judicial action.

The hon. Member for Blackley and Broughton (Graham Stringer) and the shadow Minister both spoke about Manchester airport and made interesting and valid points about the need for a stated relationship between important national infrastructure and centres of major trauma care. I will respond to the shadow Minister in writing on that specific question, if he does not mind sharing that response with his colleagues. This is an important matter, and I want to ensure that I can answer it in detail and in full.

If I interpreted his remarks correctly, the shadow Minister also said that consultations had been taken out of the hands of clinical commissioning groups specifically to be conducted by a third party, such as health and wellbeing boards. Again, I have not previously heard that idea, but I am happy to respond to that specific point once I have been able to give it greater thought, with no implication for the current consultation.

I will now close in order to give the hon. Member for Wythenshawe and Sale East time to reply to my comments. We all agree that reconfiguration needs to happen. In this instance, there has clearly been support from those Members who have been the beneficiaries of the reconfiguration in their constituencies, but the most important beneficiaries will be the people of Manchester, who I expect will see world-leading trauma care connected to emergency stomach and bowel surgery as a result of these changes. We must be proud that clinicians are leading the review, we must be proud that clinicians have been prepared to make bold and difficult decisions and we must be proud that Members present have come forward to represent the concerns of some that clinicians have not made those decisions in the right way. Members have made those points with lucidity, care and passion.

I hope that in the next few weeks we will resolve this matter in a rather happier way than it might otherwise have been resolved, and I pledge to continue my discussions with Members on both sides of the House to ensure that that is the case.

[Mr Philip Hollobone (in the Chair)]

I will call Mike Kane to give a winding-up speech of two or three minutes. Members who are here for the next debate should get ready, because we will go straight on to that debate rather than waiting till 11 o’clock.

[Mike Kane]

Thank you for your excellent chairing of these proceedings, Mr Hollobone. I am grateful to the Minister for his reflective comments on the process and for bringing us up to date on the latest developments. I stress to him that the hon. Member for Altrincham and Sale West (Mr Brady), my hon. Friend the Member for Stretford and Urmston (Kate Green) and I are not behind the curve, as he can probably tell from the excellent contributions made by them.

I also thank the Minister for what he said about Paul Goggins, who worked with local elected members long before I did on the reconfiguration of Trafford services. In some ways, the assurances that he had about those reconfigurations and about working with NHS England are not being met through the process. It was also Paul Goggins, along with colleagues, who campaigned for the improvements in accident and emergency at Wythenshawe hospital. A £12 million scheme will begin there in November to create a new A and E village, a world-class facility. The Minister is right that this is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to integrate health and social care. It is also a once-in-a-generation opportunity to show that large conurbations such as Manchester, which is moving towards 3 million people, can take control of their powers to deliver their own health and social care.

I thank the Members who have turned up. What my hon. Friend the Member for Manchester, Withington (Jeff Smith) did not say about himself is that he was at the forefront of the campaign to build the new hospital in Withington all those years ago, when we reconfigured the services. We can make more of that hospital; we are already discussing 24/7 GP access there. If we can realise that vision to ease the pressures on A and E departments across the conurbation, it will be a major achievement, thanks in no small part to his campaigning activity long before he came to this place.

I am delighted that my hon. Friend the Member for Ashton-under-Lyne (Angela Rayner) is in her place. The hospital in her constituency has undoubtedly had a torrid time over the past six or seven years, but today NHS England lifted it out of special measures, which is cause for everyone to celebrate. My hon. Friend the Member for Blackley and Broughton (Graham Stringer) has been a constant defender of his local hospital, North Manchester General, and has been a visionary leader, in the sense that we are now getting to the point of being able to devolve powers on skills, housing, transport, business, investment and, eventually, healthcare to Greater Manchester. He has been at the forefront of that.

I thank the shadow Minister for his erudite contribution and for linking the issue to Manchester airport. We cannot consider health on its own. The decision on “The Northern Way”, or the northern powerhouse, can be pivotal in getting world-class inward investment in healthcare in Manchester. It will link to the airport next to the hospital, which had 23 million passengers this year, increasing to 40 million over the next couple of years. We have plans in our area to expand the Metrolink at some stage to connect Wythenshawe directly. Currently it connects to Manchester airport, but we want to send the loop around to connect with the High Speed 2 station and back to Wythenshawe hospital.

We in the north-west have had problems in the past, as hon. Members will know. I pay tribute to the hon. Member for Macclesfield (David Rutley), who has been considering life sciences across the region, including AstraZeneca and regenerating Alderley Park, and linking the issue to our vision of a life sciences institute medi-park on the Roundthorn industrial estate next to our hospital. That could be further linked to the Corridor project involving graphene and the life sciences, associated with Central Manchester hospital. We need more links with that in the future. That site also ties into Airport City, which is in development both south and north of the airport. We are expecting massive change in south Manchester and Trafford over the next 10 to 15 years. It will be generational change that will drive the northern powerhouse, with the addition of HS2 and possibly, given the discussions that the Department for Transport is having, of HS3.

We have a wider vision for the site, and we do not want it to be set back by process issues. Let us all—people watching today and everybody in this Chamber—commit to the vision of making south Manchester and Greater Manchester a world-class place for economic investment and healthcare.

[Mr Philip Hollobone (in the Chair)]

Would all those who are not staying for the next debate please be courteous enough to leave quickly and quietly?