Debates between Marcus Fysh and Caroline Spelman during the 2017-2019 Parliament

EU: Withdrawal and Future Relationship (Motions)

Debate between Marcus Fysh and Caroline Spelman
Monday 1st April 2019

(5 years, 2 months ago)

Commons Chamber
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Marcus Fysh Portrait Mr Fysh
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Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Caroline Spelman Portrait Dame Caroline Spelman
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I am afraid I do not have time to do so.

We must weigh up the pros and cons of all options before us. However, given the large manufacturing footprint in many of our constituencies, the impact on jobs must be a key factor. If jobs are lost—

Marcus Fysh Portrait Mr Fysh
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Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Caroline Spelman Portrait Dame Caroline Spelman
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No, I will not give way.

If jobs were lost so that we could have a more flexible trade policy in the future, I would find that way forward very difficult to support. The critical issue for business is the need for frictionless trade with our principal market.

Marcus Fysh Portrait Mr Fysh
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Will my right hon. Friend give way on that point?

Caroline Spelman Portrait Dame Caroline Spelman
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No, I have now said three times that I will not give way.

For the automotive industry, just-in-time manufacturing is critical. Some 1,100 lorries a day pass through Dover. Many firms do not have warehouses to store parts. The lorries are their warehouses. Any logistic disruption at the border is damaging. While I was out canvassing in my constituency, a small business owner explained how 15% of his trade is with the EU, and that is at risk. If he loses that trade, he has to make two of his people redundant.

I agree with my right hon. and learned Friend the Member for Rushcliffe (Mr Clarke) that a customs union alone provides 90% of a solution for a frictionless border. People have been understanding on the doorstep, but they expect Parliament to come together now across parties and find a compromise. Our children’s future will depend on the quality of the compromise we achieve, and we must not let them down.

The votes tonight will help to shape phase 2 of the Brexit process when we negotiate that future trading relationship. However, we cannot get to phase 2 without phase 1. That means accepting the treaty, which allows us to leave in an orderly fashion, and I urge more colleagues to do so.