Arrangement of Business

Baroness Berger Excerpts

Friday 30th January 2026 Lords Chamber

[Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Lab Co-op)]

First, if I cannot cover all the points, my door is open at all times. Please come and see me. I genuinely want to be helpful to all Members of the House.

The noble Baroness, Lady Coffey, gave us some very good advice. I first met my noble friend Lord Spellar when I was 16; he has been a friend of mine since then. He is a thoroughly good noble Lord, and I always listen to him very carefully.

I will say a few things in response to Members from across the House. First, a royal commission is not for me to discuss; that would be a matter for the Government to look at.

Protecting the House’s procedures is obviously one of my roles, and I try to do that as best as I can. I try to defend the House and enable all Members to have their say. We are, of course, self-regulating, and we all treasure our self-regulating status. But to be self-regulating, we have to show some self-regulation. We have to be mindful of that, because the alternative is that we end up with House of Commons-type procedures, which no one would want to see. When we are speaking, we have to treasure our self-regulating status and ensure that it carries on.

The Government have no intention of bringing back this Private Member’s Bill. It will remain a PMB, and the Government have no intention of bringing it back in the next Session. I am having enough problems getting the Government’s programme through at the moment, let alone trying to deal with this Bill, so I promise noble Lords that it will not come back as a government Bill. This is why I do not want to get into a lot of what ifs. If the Bill falls, it may come back through the House of Commons; it may get through and then the Parliament Act may be applied—but that is a matter for the other House. It is not for me or for any other Member of this House to determine what the other House or Mr Speaker do. That will be a matter for them—if it happens at all. That is all I can say on that.

I did not listen to my noble and learned friend on the “Today” programme. I am sorry; I usually listen to it, but I missed that one. I must listen to it on catch-up to hear what was said, because it has clearly had a lot of bearing on what Members have said today. A lot of things get talked about in the media; there is a lot of speculation and pages have been written in newspapers about this. At the end of the day, this House will decide what it does with this Bill and no one else will decide that—it is up to this House. I think we should make more progress.

As I said earlier, if the Parliament Act were to be applied, many conditions would be applied to make that happen. I suspect that they would look at how the House of Lords has dealt with the Bill—but that is a matter for the other place, not for any Member here. I think I have covered most issues, but please come and see me if not.

[Baroness Berger (Lab)]

I am listening very carefully. I am asking for a point of clarification from my noble friend, whom I have been listening to very carefully; obviously, we listen to his advice and guidance. My noble friend has said twice now that we should seek to make more progress. We have had other Members in this conversation reflect on the fact that we are only at Clause 1. Behind that are the 295 amendments that we have considered over the past seven Fridays, which equates to around seven and half minutes per amendment. I seek my noble friend’s guidance: how many minutes should we seek to cover for each amendment, on the basis that he would like us to make more progress?

[Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Lab Co-op)]

I cannot do that. What I can say to my noble friend is that, in my 16 years in the House, I have found that some groups take longer than others and some get dealt with very quickly. I think we all need to use our best endeavours to make some more progress. We cannot set minutes per group; it does not work like that. Sometimes, I have sat here, and a group has been dealt with very quickly in two or three minutes; other times, I have sat here for three or four hours. I just think that we should all try to make more progress. If we have sat for four, five, six or seven hours and done only two or three groups, that is, in my opinion, quite slow, and we should look to do more than that. I hope that that helps my noble friend.