Infrastructure Bill [HL]

Lord McKenzie of Luton Excerpts

Tuesday 22nd July 2014 Grand Committee

[Baroness Whitaker (Lab)]

My Lords, I must confess that I am rather puzzled by this amendment, as indeed I was by the Prime Minister’s announcement more than a year ago that he and Mr Hollande would both sign up to EITI. EITI was, of course, an initiative by the previous Government with the very commendable aim of ensuring, as the noble Baroness said, that oil industry companies are obliged to disclose their financial transactions and treasuries are obliged to disclose the revenue. It was very commendable because it was initiated for countries where the oil industry was extremely corrupt and made clandestine payments to the Government in exchange for concessions and where taxpayers—if indeed they paid much tax at all as they were too poor—had absolutely no sight of these financial transactions. Now, even the most extreme critic of British capitalism would not, I think, say that anything like that regime obtains here so I am curious as to why we need to sign up to this system, which was entirely meant for developing countries where their resources have proved inimical rather than helpful to their development. It is also my understanding that the revenue obtained from oil companies is easily available from the Treasury in any case, so why this amendment?

[Lord McKenzie of Luton (Lab)]

My Lords, I put one small question to the Minister. We discussed in the previous amendment a new levy that will be introduced as a consequence of the Bill. Is it envisaged that that levy would be includable in EITI reports and, if so, is it a tax for the purposes of the proposed new Section 8A of the Commissioners for Revenue and Customs Act 2005?

[Baroness Verma]

My Lords, I am very grateful to noble Lords for their intervention. I shall respond to the noble Baroness, Lady Whitaker, first. We are transparent, but we want to show clear leadership and be part of the growing group of countries signing up to the EITI, which sends a very clear message across the industry globally that we need to have transparency in the oil, gas and mineral sector. By being part of the growing group, we are indicating that UK companies based overseas are committed to the transparency that we expect on our shores here. I do not think that there is any other purpose than to be able to show clear leadership and that it is the right thing to do. We have always tried to be transparent but, as the noble Baroness said, there are countries that need nudges. Perhaps by showing leadership and being part of an ever-extending group of countries wishing to sign up to the EITI, we can show globally that this is a direction that countries that want to show transparency are taking.

I may need to write to the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, with a more detailed response on his point.